I would love to see Tech repace Vanderbilt

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I would love to see Tech replace Vanderbilt in the SEC. In my opinion Vanderbilt in light of the changes they have made will have two choices A) Fire the President or B) Withdraw from the SEC. Vanderbilt has taken a piece of the SEC money pie without contributing to it for far too long. As long as they was trying I had no problem with that situation because with the right leadership they could win and still do things the correct way. But now to be blunt, will be will be nothing more than an SEC welfare case. Surely the SEC will respond to this situation with the same bluntness. Now I have always hoped to see Tech back in the SEC. The atmosphere for the Auburn game only shows us younger generation what we have been missing! Give me Alabama instead of North Carolina. For people who don't know we used to be such big rivals that Tech is promently in the Crimson Tide's fight song, which is a darn good one in my opinion. Playing Auburn, Tennessee, Louisiana State, Ole Miss, Florida! I know with Miami and Virginia Tech coming to the ACC it will be a much stronger conference, but everything even I would prefer the atmosphere of Bobby Dodd@Grant Field whenever the Tigers, Volunteers, Bulldogs, or Tide come to town. An improvement over the Tar Heels, Cavaliers, or Wolfpack anyday.
 
Stateline,
Even if we stayed in the ACC I wish we would bring back the Tenn,AU,ALA,Fla. These OOC games we have had in the past do nothing for Tech except embarrass the program if we lose. Bring'em on is what I say.
 
Count me in. Like I said last week, the excitement for me leading up to Auburn was so much more than current foes (ugag excluded of course).
 
No doubt the ACC has made a move to be a strong football conference but face it, the state of Georgia and it's bordering states are SEC territory. Even with an ACC school sitting right in the heart of downtown Atlanta, Atlanta is still SEC territory. You want to see the stadium rockin like last SAT, have Tech playing AUB, TENN, LSU, & ALA and we'll have to expand the stadium to 70,000. I know what y'all are saying, "Can we compete against those teams?" YOU DARN TUTIN WE CAN!! Put Tech back in the SEC and we'll recruit with the best. We have facilities, the city of Atlanta, and I think it is a selling point what a degree from Tech means. Face it, UNC, NCST, and MD will never pack folks in the stadium like last SAT. Now that I've got all excited, realistically, I don't think Tech will ever be in the SEC again. But if VANDY jumps or is thrown out, we ought to make a pitch. What would really tick me off is if the SEC entertained the thought for talking with us and Clough told them to take a hike, that we're staying put.
South Georgia Jacket
 
Stateline...I too am an old Tech Fan and used to like the idea of GT going back to the ACC..BUT..I will have to disagree with you on several points: A. No one in the ACC will leaver for the SEC..As Bobby Bowden put it: If we add a quality School (It is just a matter of time) Nobody but NOBODY meaning NO Conference will touch us as far as Football goes...Much of the SEC hype is what you alluded to: Big Stadiums such as Neyland...We are talking about what really matters...Wins and how good a Football team is...That is what the Top 25 is all about..NOT Who can fill the most in a stadium...Look at what GT did to Auburn..What Maryland did to UT in the Peach Bowl..Miami beating UF (The SECs winningest team over the last 15 years) FSU still beats UF more than UF beats FSU..Over the last 15 years FSU has won at least 2 games to every 1 UF wins in their series...Much of the SEC football is Hype and ALWAYS will be here in Atlanta because of the Dominated Sec/Uga Media types...Espn and all the National guys are starting to pick up and are making Quotes on How Good the ACC is and how Great they will be next year with Miami and VT..just think of the possibilities as to what team we add as the 12th member...As to the state of Florida and recruiting it is as one recruiting Magazine said: "when the ACC added Miami it was like us putting a Wall up around the Whole State as to recruiting..Look at how well we did last year in Florida on recruiting, probably the best we ever did..And this year we already are doing well in Florida..Braine and gailey were right when they said that the Addition of Miami will help our recruiting in Florida...i would take the ACC hands down as far as Quality Football goes...After this year (When we get to include Miami) you add up how many National Championships in Football we the ACC have compared to The SEC over the last 20 years..that is as far back as you should go..So the arugument would be Modern History...Between Miami, Fsu, GT. What is there...Like 9 National Championships..No way the Sec comes close...
 
jacketguy, Adams would be lynched under the arches and rightfully so. THWG
 
Originally posted by statelinejacket:
I would love to see Tech replace Vanderbilt in the SEC. In my opinion Vanderbilt in light of the changes they have made will have two choices A) Fire the President or B) Withdraw from the SEC. Vanderbilt has taken a piece of the SEC money pie without contributing to it for far too long. As long as they was trying I had no problem with that situation because with the right leadership they could win and still do things the correct way. But now to be blunt, will be will be nothing more than an SEC welfare case. Surely the SEC will respond to this situation with the same bluntness. Now I have always hoped to see Tech back in the SEC. The atmosphere for the Auburn game only shows us younger generation what we have been missing! Give me Alabama instead of North Carolina. For people who don't know we used to be such big rivals that Tech is promently in the Crimson Tide's fight song, which is a darn good one in my opinion. Playing Auburn, Tennessee, Louisiana State, Ole Miss, Florida! I know with Miami and Virginia Tech coming to the ACC it will be a much stronger conference, but everything even I would prefer the atmosphere of Bobby Dodd@Grant Field whenever the Tigers, Volunteers, Bulldogs, or Tide come to town. An improvement over the Tar Heels, Cavaliers, or Wolfpack anyday.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Why would Vandy offer to pull out of the SEC when they get such a cut of the large revenue pie? Now, they may be kicked out, but they wont pull out.
 
Exactly Gnome. They will be kicked out if the SEC gets desperate.

I agree with y'all who believe that the ACC will pass up the SEC. In 20 years people might say leaving the SEC was the best thing that ever happened to GT. It is highly likely that the kids in GA will dream of playing in the ACC not the SEC. It is not far fetched to think that we will cherry pick the top players and UGA will get the leftovers in 40 years.

We have Duke and they have Vandy for hapless teams. Long term Wake will be a drain, but Ole Miss and Miss St excite no one and Arkansas is nearly as boring.

Having said all this, it would be interesting if a play was made for Tennessee. All it would take is some indication that UF, UGA, or Auburn were considering it and they might jump. The SEC without any one of those teams would be a step down from the New ACC or the Big 12.
 
Gnome: You are correct. Vanderbilt would never withdraw. But in my opinion that is one of two options with the other being removing the President and placing someone in the chair who will reestablish the department. If one of these options is not pursued the SEC should be blunt by either kicking them out or by first establishing minimum requirements for the organization of their athlectic departments and how they are run. This would in effect demand they reestablish their athlectic department. If they fail to do so then the SEC would be justified and have no discourse but to give Vanderbilt the boot.
 
Black Watch: Your opinion please by answering my questions....What would be more enjoyable: Leaving Neyland with a win or leaving Wallace Wade with a win? Which would pump you up more..walking into Bryant-Denny to watch Tech square off against the Crimson Tide or entering Groves Stadium to see the Jackets against the Deacons. Which of these matchups would get your blood boiling? There is something to be said for tradition....the Auburn game was a week of basking in it. Beating Auburn was all the better because of it. I can't see an argument to that. We play Georgia during the season and as the last game because of ...tradition. I can't see anything over the next twenty years that would change that...that includes Miami or Virginia Tech. The Orange Bowl is never full and Virginia Tech could be as many have suggested, being good only as long as Frank Beamer is there. Oh sure beating the Canes or the Hokies would be great but only if and when they are still on top. Beating Louisiana State...or Alabama...or Tennessee...or Florida...or the Georgia Bulldogs well my friend...whether they are good, bad, or ugly there is no comparision for this devout Georgia Tech Yellow Jacket!
 
Stateline..I appreciate your points about Tradition..But we are building tradition with FSU..Clemson..UVA..N.C. State..Maryland.. And Now we will be with Miami and VT..And that 12th team (I really think we will all be pleasantly Surprised as to who the 12th team will be)..

We already play UGA every year and IF we can get a Bama and or Auburn on our Schedule on a regular basis..I dont see why we couldnt play at least ONE Sec Team besides UGA every year... i just think the ACC is the conference of the future when it comes to Football..like Chan said: " The team that wins the ACC every year DESERVES to play for the National Title" that is the way it will be starting in 2004.....

When comparing Grove Stadium and Wallace Wade ..Make the comparison to Ole Miss..Or Miss.State, Vanderbilt, or Kentucky...Those are the 4 in the Sec that are just as Bland and not too enjoyable places to visit.....Those 4 are WORST (What Bland One Horse towns to visit) than Duke or Wake Forest......IMHO....
 
Originally posted by BLACK WATCH:
Stateline..I appreciate your points about Tradition..But we are building tradition with FSU..Clemson..UVA..N.C. State..Maryland.. And Now we will be with Miami and VT..And that 12th team (I really think we will all be pleasantly Surprised as to who the 12th team will be)..

We already play UGA every year and IF we can get a Bama and or Auburn on our Schedule on a regular basis..I dont see why we couldnt play at least ONE Sec Team besides UGA every year... i just think the ACC is the conference of the future when it comes to Football..like Chan said: " The team that wins the ACC every year DESERVES to play for the National Title" that is the way it will be starting in 2004.....

When comparing Grove Stadium and Wallace Wade ..Make the comparison to Ole Miss..Or Miss.State, Vanderbilt, or Kentucky...Those are the 4 in the Sec that are just as Bland and not too enjoyable places to visit.....Those 4 are WORST (What Bland One Horse towns to visit) than Duke or Wake Forest......IMHO....
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">But BW, we have played Duke more than anyone except UGA, so shouldnt Duke be one of our traditional rivals like they are talking about having 2 of?
 
Originally posted by BLACK WATCH:
"Much of the SEC hype is what you alluded to: Big Stadiums such as Neyland...We are talking about what really matters...Wins and how good a Football team is...That is what the Top 25 is all about..NOT Who can fill the most in a stadium..."

A good team matters, however...
You have to like the fact that South Carolina sells out their stadium every game even when they go 0-11. The crappy teams in the ACC will NEVER sell seats. Hell, we can't even sell 30,000 season tickets and we've consistently been one of the best teams in the conference the last few years.

You are correct, a lot of the SEC is hype. But much of that hype comes from tradition and the game day atmosphere, which I don't think we will ever have in the ACC.

Maybe we should drop the Carolina schools all together and raid the SEC....
 
Originally posted by BLACK WATCH:
When comparing Grove Stadium and Wallace Wade ..Make the comparison to Ole Miss..Or Miss.State, Vanderbilt, or Kentucky...Those are the 4 in the Sec that are just as Bland and not too enjoyable places to visit.....Those 4 are WORST (What Bland One Horse towns to visit) than Duke or Wake Forest......IMHO....
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">WHAT????????????????
Have you ever been to Ole Miss???????
Taligating in The Grove is quite possibly the best gameday experience in all of college football. That's like saying Vegas is a bad place to go if you like gambling.

I just re-read your post. Now it is even more ludicrous. You just called Nashville a one horse town. I can only conclude the following:
a.) You are from New Jersey
b.) You do not like attractive women
c.) You were just trying to be funny.
I really hope it is choice C.

You do have one thing right - Starkville sucks.
 
Chili....Your wrong on all 3 counts...No Im RedNeck thru and thru...Born and raised here in Ga....As i told you before you need to be on this board and read all the posts before you make statements: Just read the post under OFF Topics..By Ahso on MTN people...

I will give you ONE point though Yes ,Nashville is a fine Town. The grand ole opry and Country music is GREAT .But as far as Vanderbilt, Ole Miss,Miss.State and Kentucky...They are just as as bad as football programs as Duke..At least UK and Vandy is and at the VERY LEAST The 2 Cow town schools from Miss. are not nearly as good as Wake...So the old argument from top to bottom the sec is best is OLD....Like Trev alberts said on Espn..The New ACC is Deepest from top to bottom than ANY conference as far as Football goes...Filling a stadium i guess that gets some peoples ego up..I will never argue you with that BUT Winning Football games and as to better Football Programs..The NEW ACC wins Hands down...
Your good at sensless arguing...So go on and on as to how the sec is better than the ACC BUT Your wrong...
 
Originally posted by BLACK WATCH:
Chili....Your wrong on all 3 counts...No Im RedNeck thru and thru...Born and raised here in Ga....As i told you before you need to be on this board and read all the posts before you make statements: Just read the post under OFF Topics..By Ahso on MTN people...

I will give you ONE point though Yes ,Nashville is a fine Town. The grand ole opry and Country music is GREAT .But as far as Vanderbilt, Ole Miss,Miss.State and Kentucky...They are just as as bad as football programs as Duke..At least UK and Vandy is and at the VERY LEAST The 2 Cow town schools from Miss. are not nearly as good as Wake...So the old argument from top to bottom the sec is best is OLD....Like Trev alberts said on Espn..The New ACC is Deepest from top to bottom than ANY conference as far as Football goes...Filling a stadium i guess that gets some peoples ego up..I will never argue you with that BUT Winning Football games and as to better Football Programs..The NEW ACC wins Hands down...
Your good at sensless arguing...So go on and on as to how the sec is better than the ACC BUT Your wrong...
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Dude, you switched to comparing stadiums not conferences. That is what Chili was addressing. So don't go accusing somoene of senseless arguments.

I will put up Ole Miss campus, stadium, and overall experience up against any team in this country. Their football team isn't all that great.... but have you ACTUALLY BEEN THERE?

There isn't a team in the ACC that can compare to the gameday experience. Clemson is the closest we have, and they still aren't that close.

I want no part of being in the SEC, but your assertion that Ole Miss is bland and not a good place to visit is down right ludicrous. You lose any credibilty on your argument by that statement.

I spent too much time in Starkville, and I will agree with you on that one. A bunch of damn cow bells at a stadium in the middle of a pasture.
 
Black Watch: I have been to Nashville, Tennessee
and Oxford, Mississippi! Wrong! I can understand if you have built up a loyalty to the ACC but to cutdown these towns plus Lexington, Kentucky! You are way off base with your with that one also. Your talking about the Bluegrass Country, Never been to Commonwealth Stadium but if the Kentucky Bourbon is being served up it has got to be a very nice place to be. By the way not to get borish here but would you please answer the two questions I posed you. Again if you or anyone else has built up a loyalty to the ACC I understand. My loyalty is to Georgia Tech first(I'm sure yours and all others are also) but I live in the heart of the SEC, even though all the ACC schools are just as close if not closer than the most distant SEC school, I can drive out onto Highway 41 and in a heartbeat start seeing on cars in some shape or form stating their support for Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, Kentucky, Auburn, South Carolina, and Florida. And I am not talking about cars passing thru but people who live in the area. Georgia Tech and Florida State are it for ACC. Oh sure Carolina and Duke has their fans but they are always basketball related. I live in a football mad area and it is and will always be SEC. Don't mean I LIKE the schools. I like beating the devil out of them and a chance to do it every week would probably knock twenty years off my age! P.S. Never been to Starkville myself so I will go along with the other opinions on that one.
 
Originally posted by BLACK WATCH:
Chili....Your wrong on all 3 counts...No Im RedNeck thru and thru...Born and raised here in Ga....As i told you before you need to be on this board and read all the posts before you make statements: Just read the post under OFF Topics..By Ahso on MTN people...

I will give you ONE point though Yes ,Nashville is a fine Town. The grand ole opry and Country music is GREAT .But as far as Vanderbilt, Ole Miss,Miss.State and Kentucky...They are just as as bad as football programs as Duke..At least UK and Vandy is and at the VERY LEAST The 2 Cow town schools from Miss. are not nearly as good as Wake...So the old argument from top to bottom the sec is best is OLD....Like Trev alberts said on Espn..The New ACC is Deepest from top to bottom than ANY conference as far as Football goes...Filling a stadium i guess that gets some peoples ego up..I will never argue you with that BUT Winning Football games and as to better Football Programs..The NEW ACC wins Hands down...
Your good at sensless arguing...So go on and on as to how the sec is better than the ACC BUT Your wrong...
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Black Watch, you must have a very severe reading comprehension problem.

I agree 1000000% that the football programs at those 4 schools are absolutely terrrible. You will NEVER get an argument from me there.

However, here is what you wrote:
"When comparing Grove Stadium and Wallace Wade ..Make the comparison to Ole Miss..Or Miss.State, Vanderbilt, or Kentucky...Those are the 4 in the Sec that are just as Bland and not too enjoyable places to visit.....Those 4 are WORST (What Bland One Horse towns to visit) than Duke or Wake Forest......IMHO.... "

Please point out where this indicates that they have bad teams. Unless I am illiterate, it appears that you are saying these TOWNS are bad. I don't know, maybe you used a secret code in that paragraph to say the those 4 TEAMS are bad? If you did use such a code, I apologize for not being able to understand it.

Yes, these programs suck. But at least the game day experience is more enjoyable than going to Duke or UNC. For that matter, it is a better than some of the better programs in the conference (Wake, UMD).

Also, I would like to encourage you to find any post here or elsewhere where I have ever expressed my opinion about which conference is superior. If you want my opinion, perhaps you should ask instead of just assuming what it is.

CDK
 
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