If Chan Gailey is not back next year....

83, you do realize that Chan made the very best, the #1 coaching transition in GT history - right?

Every coach at GT since Bud Carson has had a worse record in his first year than the previous coach....except for Gailey.

While we may end up getting an upgrade (think Bobby Ross), it's unreasonable to expect 7-8 wins from a new coach his first year at GT.

You go putting buzzoffish demands on a new coach, you're setting him up for failure.
 
Here is the deal with Gailey........

Radokovich has to either fire him this year (2007) or next year (2008) or extend his contract after next year (2008). We can't do what Notre Dame did with Gerry Faust and let him work out his contract. It would be suicide at Tech to try and recruit with a contract that is running down.

My preference is for Gailey to win out this year and then solidify a strong recruiting class in what is critical year for recruiting (at least 23 scholarships to give out.) to rebuild our numbers comimg off probation.

If Tech loses to Duke he should be fired no matter what happens against UNC and UGA. My guess is Tech has to win out to keep his job. If he keeps his job, I think he has to win nine games in 2008 to stay off the hot seat and needs to win an ACC championship to get an extension longer than one year.

If he is fired this year it needs to happen on the Sunday or Monday after the UGA game and Clough and Radokovich must be prepared to move quickly in hiring a new coach. It will be a disaster if this recruiting class falls a part because the administration drags it feet hiring a new coach. This recruiting class is critical to the future success of the football program.
 
GeeteeLee,

This is not about Chan. With the talent we have and the weakness of the ACC it is not unreasonable to expect 7 wins. With "better" in game decisions by the currrent staff we would have 7 wins and 2 losses with 3 games to play this year. I expect a new coach will give us an upgrade in game decision making, which should translate into winning at least two games a year that this staff manages to lose.
 
Buzz Bomb said:
If Chan is reading any of these posts he might just be outright terrified into winning a few of these upcoming games just to avoid being lynched. :wow: I bet he's been out all weekend hitting every Home Depot and Office Depot in the Atlanta area trying to buy enough liquid adhesive, tape, rubber bands and nails to hold his injured players together for the final three season games.
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It will take more than scare tactics to get the wins Chan needs. We're short in some very critical places. We need receivers and corner backs. We could also benefit from some quality receiver and QB coaching. Along with our terrific running game and run defense, just some adequacy in our passing game and pass defense would have been enough to have gotten us the wins we were expecting at the beginning of the season.
 
GEETEELEE said:
While we may end up getting an upgrade (think Bobby Ross), it's unreasonable to expect 7-8 wins from a new coach his first year at GT.

You go putting buzzoffish demands on a new coach, you're setting him up for failure.
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Completely agree. Everyone that is wanting/begging for a new coach (me), needs to be grudgingly accepting of whatever w-l record the first year brings.
Other than beating Duke and the Samford type, I will be happy with glimpses of good things and finishing strong in November.
At the sake of being stoned, I would also like to see the personality and intensity of an O'Leary.
 
I have NO expectations for a new coach in the first year. I would fully expect a dropoff and it might be big.

My only expectation is that by the third year we are showing improvement and there is hope we can get beyond the currrent plateau.

I didn't judge Gailey after one year and I wouldn't judge his replacement that soon either.

I would be happy with a five year record like Mack Brown had with UNC or Bobby Ross here at GT. After five years, those programs were headed somewhere. But there was serious struggle in the first two years in both cases. And I would happily swap those five year performances, with the stuggling seasons, for five straight years of 7-5.

I really don't care to evaluate our talent situation next year relative to either of those cases. As a new coach, you get at least two years to get some of your own players in place and show some progress.
 
I just do not see us winning very many games next year regardless of the coach. We lose a ton of talent (ala Notre Dame) and the players returning have too many holes in their game. Unless there's a Calvin Johnson or Joe Hmilton being redshirted, It looks bleak.
 
GEETEELEE said:
83, you do realize that Chan made the very best, the #1 coaching transition in GT history - right?

Every coach at GT since Bud Carson has had a worse record in his first year than the previous coach....except for Gailey.
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GEETEELEE,

Do you realize that you are TOTALLY WRONG!!!! And what you have written is not even close to true.

Fulcher had a 7-4-1 record his first year which was better than Carson's 6-6 record his last year.

Pepper Rodgers had a 6-5 record his first year after Fulcher's 5-6 his final year.

O'Leary took over a 1-10 team and went 6-5.

Gailey took over an 8-5 team and went 7-6. That is not a better record.

Since Carson:

Improved Record: Fulcher, Rodgers, and O'Leary

Worse Record: Curry, Ross, Lewis, and Gailey

It's a little worse than 50/50.
 
Looking at coaching changes that have gone well--the first year is always a rough one. Bringing Chan back won't be any better in my opinion. If we do better than 6-6 with Chan or someone new, I'd be surprised. The point of replacing Chan is, that at somepoint in the future, we'd like to imagine a season where we beat U[sic]GA and lose less than five games on occasion. the first year--will not likely be one of those years (especially given our schedule and the depleted upperclassman talent--when we will see the real effects of the NCAA penalties).

Assuming we put a D-IA pasty on the schedule for our 7th home game:

Wins:
Duke (though, Chan managed to lose to Duke 41-17)
Jack S&!t
The pasty we bring in to replace Army

Should wins:

Mississippi State

I think everything outside of that will be a challenge (I expect UNC to be much improved by the end of next season):

Clem's son
F$U
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U[sic]GA
BC
UVA
Miami


If Chan is back next year, I don't expect to see a winning record. If a new coach is here, I'll be pleased with 6-6 or better.

In my opinion, it is years 3-6 that show whether a coach is the wrong coach. Just ask the Domers.
 
JTS said:
GEETEELEE,

Do you realize that you are TOTALLY WRONG!!!! And what you have written is not even close to true.

Fulcher had a 7-4-1 record his first year which was better than Carson's 6-6 record his last year.

Pepper Rodgers had a 6-5 record his first year after Fulcher's 5-6 his final year.

O'Leary took over a 1-10 team and went 6-5.

Gailey took over an 8-5 team and went 7-6. That is not a better record.

Since Carson:

Improved Record: Fulcher, Rodgers, and O'Leary

Worse Record: Curry, Ross, Lewis, and Gailey

It's a little worse than 50/50.
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I thought the same thing too, but I think GTL meant each coach's first year, not their first year compared to the year before. So Chan did better than GOL's Lewis', Ross' or probably anybody else's first year.

Of course, that doesn't take about a million factors into account.
 
At 7-4-1, Fulcher has had the best first year record of any GT HC since Carson.

If he meant to compare each HC's 1st year to the previous HC's 1st year then Gailey, O'Leary, Lewis, Ross, and Fulcher all had better 1st year records than the previous HC's 1st year. Only Rodgers and Curry had worse 1st year records then the previous HC's 1st year record since Carson.

However, you want to interpret whatever he is trying to say it is totally inaccurate.
 
Do you realize that you are TOTALLY WRONG!!!! And what you have written is not even close to true.
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*sigh* Yeah, I do realize. I guess I was thinking about the first 2-3 year's records or something, but I certainly know better. First time I've been mistaken in many years!

I sincerely hope that no one's opinion was unduly influenced by my erroneous posting.
 
33jacket said:
considering all we lose on offense and defense-
lose Guyton, lewis, wheeler, roberson, jones, oliver, robertson
lose rhodes, mcmanus, tums, cox, choice

what would be the expected and reasonable win total or record next year for the new Head Coach?

Mind you we play FSU, @BC, home Miss st as our "rotational/ooc" games along with @uga, @clemson

If Chan comes back....would you have the same expected win total and results?

If Chan comes back, I would personally require him to win more than the new guy 1) based on history 2) b/c we won't be installing new systems and trying to get guys on the same page.

thoughts?
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The real question is: Why shouldnt he be fired with all those seniors this year and a mediocre record again?

Im willing to take any step towards having an offense, scoring points, bring life back to a boring ass program- and take 2-3 years to do it with the optimism of a future GT team that is not slow and boring. Im willing to go 0-11 right now. Start over.
 
PreventOffense said:
Im willing to go 0-11 right now.
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That's ridiculous. Recruiting would be virtually impossible to do. We'd take five steps back if we went winless. I'd much rather stick with Gailey than win less than 4 games next year. I also think it's extremely improbably that we win less than 5 no matter who the next coach is (within reason).
 
GTWannaBee said:
That's ridiculous. Recruiting would be virtually impossible to do. We'd take five steps back if we went winless. I'd much rather stick with Gailey than win less than 4 games next year. I also think it's extremely improbably that we win less than 5 no matter who the next coach is (within reason).
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Not with the right coach. I think 0-11 was or emphasis but teams have dropped to 1-10 before climbing to BCS contention. They must have been able to recruit despite the record given the rapid improvement afterwards.
 
I'm going with "ridiculous," too, Alex.

If you hate a coach so bad you want us to lose 11 games, you've got mental problems.
 
GEETEELEE said:
83, you do realize that Chan made the very best, the #1 coaching transition in GT history - right?

Every coach at GT since Bud Carson has had a worse record in his first year than the previous coach....except for Gailey.

While we may end up getting an upgrade (think Bobby Ross), it's unreasonable to expect 7-8 wins from a new coach his first year at GT.

You go putting buzzoffish demands on a new coach, you're setting him up for failure.
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Do you realize how much freakin talent he had vs. when Oleary, Ross, Curry came in??!!! Please dont try and rewrite history- he had plenty in the cupboard while the other 3 I mention here were left with almost nil when it comes to Div 1 talent.
 
GTWannaBee said:
That's ridiculous. Recruiting would be virtually impossible to do. We'd take five steps back if we went winless. I'd much rather stick with Gailey than win less than 4 games next year. I also think it's extremely improbably that we win less than 5 no matter who the next coach is (within reason).
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Dude, I was being facetious. All I was trying to convey is that the time is now. I dont blame any player at all- the buck stops with the guy getting paid $1,009,000 this year- and no one else.
 
PreventOffense said:
Do you realize how much freakin talent he had vs. when Oleary, Ross, Curry came in??!!! Please dont try and rewrite history- he had plenty in the cupboard while the other 3 I mention here were left with almost nil when it comes to Div 1 talent.
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It might be true at certain positions but at QB and other specialty positions no our depth was weak aqnbd when you Add to that flunkgate the next year you are writting history correctly.
 
Call me crazy, since I know that we lose plenty of quality players to graduation, but I think next years team could be much more talented overall.

The biggest factor will be how much of a contribution from last years recruiting class. Guys like Nesbitt, Dwyer, Roddy Jones, and Donnely could give us some much-needed playmaking ability on offense next year. Yandell and Claytor may ease the loss of 3 Olinemen.

Our Dline next year? Same tackles (hopefully with the inclusion of Brandon Thompson), with a DEnd rotation of Michael Johnson, Derrick Morgan, and Jason Peters. That is a stout line, with Morgan and Peters really increasing the overall size.

Wheeler's talent will not be replaced, but we do have a slew of young linebackers...AT Barnes and Brad Jefferson come to mind.

We lose 3 startes in the secondary, and that may not be a bad thing. We have a pretty good idea that Burnett will be a star, but other than JWD I would think the rest of the secondary is up for grabs. Someone such as Willie White, Tarrant, or Butler will be needed to step up.

So my thoughts on a new coach? There is plenty of experience to be replaced, but the talent is there to improve this team.
 
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