If Gailey is a must keep then Why?

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Usually when a "great, must-keep" Head coach is on the loose interviewing, the AD and Board usually are quelling it as quick as they can by offerring a new and improved contract- to try and keep the coach as much as they can. Gailey got the token automatic extension in his contract (which Braine stuck in- that says all Gailey has to do is go to a Bowl, no matter how many wins, and his contract gets extended auto by 1 year)- which is pretty absurd in and of itself. Why no horns and buzzers going off to keep Gailey? Because quietly D'Rad and the alumni are hoping and praying an NFL team takes him. He wont get a raise because of interviewing- and dont tell me the financial situation is bad and thats the reason- they could raise the money if everyone was gung-ho on keeping him. See, thats the point- We have a $100MM financial crisis down there, and the $$ is not going to come in as long as Mr. Gailey is there. Having an NFL team take him where he belongs with grown men- not here with kids who need discipline (college coaching is hard work)- would start the D'rad administration- enabling him to not only make his mark on GT but also to be able to start raising money again with the $$alumni finally on board. Yes, change is tough and sometimes there is 1-step back to move forward again. I believe Dan Rad is smart. I trust that he would deliver. And that recruiting would still be fine. We havent moved forward or backward under Gailey- just status quo,and we have a financial crisis down there that will not come close to being mended until he is gone. The team could go 10-2 and Gailey will still not garner a ton of support. After 5 years that will not change. Those are just the facts.
 
Let me say upfront, I have no ties to CCG and I haven't agreed with everything that he has done since taking his job as HC at GT. But, I still can't help but wonder if anyone else would have done better, given the problems that have popped up, of which I can't see that CCG had any responsibility for.

Am I frustrated? you betcha I am, after losing to UGA again and again. But changing horses right now in the middle of the stream is not the answer. At least in my way of thinking. I still see sunlight just ahead for GT if we'll be patient and let him do his job. Yes, it is taking longer than I would like too, but if we change HC's now, we'll probably have to go through the whole debacle again. Soooooo, the question is, do we throw him under the bus or do we let him have another try? I'm saying let's just let him have a little more time.

Your post below raises some very interesting points of discussion of which I have highlighted some of them and asked questions on. Please don't take this as a challenge because it's not meant to be that, just things that I'm wondering about. Looking forward to your response.

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Usually when a "great, must-keep" Head coach is on the loose interviewing, the AD and Board usually are quelling it as quick as they can by offerring a new and improved contract- to try and keep the coach as much as they can. Gailey got the token automatic extension in his contract (which Braine stuck in- that says all Gailey has to do is go to a Bowl, no matter how many wins, and his contract gets extended auto by 1 year)- which is pretty absurd in and of itself. Why no horns and buzzers going off to keep Gailey? Because quietly D'Rad and the alumni are hoping (Can you verify this or is it an opinion?)and praying an NFL team takes him. He wont get a raise because of interviewing- and dont tell me the financial situation is bad and thats the reason- they could raise the money if everyone was gung-ho on keeping him. See, thats the point- We have a $100MM financial crisis down there, and the $$ is not going to come in as long as Mr. Gailey is there. (Again, I'm wondering if you can verify this statement, if so, please do because this is all news to me. I'll be the first to admit that I am not on the inside at GT so I don't know about these things. I'm just a mere fan with season tickets, which doesn't mean a thing) Having an NFL team take him where he belongs with grown men- not here with kids who need discipline (college coaching is hard work)- would start the D'rad administration- enabling him to not only make his mark on GT but also to be able to start raising money again with the $$alumni finally on board. Yes, change is tough and sometimes there is 1-step back to move forward again. I believe Dan Rad is smart. I trust that he would deliver. And that recruiting would still be fine. (How can you be so sure of this? This year is the best year I can remember for recruiting. Tell us why it would stay this calibur if we changed H.C.'s)We havent moved forward or backward under Gailey- (Again, we've move fromt he cellar in recruiting to the top of the ACC, presently. Is that not an improvement?) just status quo,and we have a financial crisis down there that will not come close to being mended until he is gone. The team could go 10-2 and Gailey will still not garner a ton of support. After 5 years that will not change. Those are just the facts.
 
romegajacket said:
Let me say upfront, I have no ties to CCG and I haven't agreed with everything that he has done since taking his job as HC at GT. But, I still can't help but wonder if anyone else would have done better, given the problems that have popped up, of which I can't see that CCG had any responsibility for.

Am I frustrated? you betcha I am, after losing to UGA again and again. But changing horses right now in the middle of the stream is not the answer. At least in my way of thinking. I still see sunlight just ahead for GT if we'll be patient and let him do his job. Yes, it is taking longer than I would like too, but if we change HC's now, we'll probably have to go through the whole debacle again. Soooooo, the question is, do we throw him under the bus or do we let him have another try? I'm saying let's just let him have a little more time.

Your post below raises some very interesting points of discussion of which I have highlighted some of them and asked questions on. Please don't take this as a challenge because it's not meant to be that, just things that I'm wondering about. Looking forward to your response.

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Usually when a "great, must-keep" Head coach is on the loose interviewing, the AD and Board usually are quelling it as quick as they can by offerring a new and improved contract- to try and keep the coach as much as they can. Gailey got the token automatic extension in his contract (which Braine stuck in- that says all Gailey has to do is go to a Bowl, no matter how many wins, and his contract gets extended auto by 1 year)- which is pretty absurd in and of itself. Why no horns and buzzers going off to keep Gailey? Because quietly D'Rad and the alumni are hoping (Can you verify this or is it an opinion?)and praying an NFL team takes him. He wont get a raise because of interviewing- and dont tell me the financial situation is bad and thats the reason- they could raise the money if everyone was gung-ho on keeping him. See, thats the point- We have a $100MM financial crisis down there, and the $$ is not going to come in as long as Mr. Gailey is there. (Again, I'm wondering if you can verify this statement, if so, please do because this is all news to me. I'll be the first to admit that I am not on the inside at GT so I don't know about these things. I'm just a mere fan with season tickets, which doesn't mean a thing) Having an NFL team take him where he belongs with grown men- not here with kids who need discipline (college coaching is hard work)- would start the D'rad administration- enabling him to not only make his mark on GT but also to be able to start raising money again with the $$alumni finally on board. Yes, change is tough and sometimes there is 1-step back to move forward again. I believe Dan Rad is smart. I trust that he would deliver. And that recruiting would still be fine. (How can you be so sure of this? This year is the best year I can remember for recruiting. Tell us why it would stay this calibur if we changed H.C.'s)We havent moved forward or backward under Gailey- (Again, we've move fromt he cellar in recruiting to the top of the ACC, presently. Is that not an improvement?) just status quo,and we have a financial crisis down there that will not come close to being mended until he is gone. The team could go 10-2 and Gailey will still not garner a ton of support. After 5 years that will not change. Those are just the facts.
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Those are great questions. Nobody would be quoted but certainly my opinion is based on conversations with certain people. And Im not saying here that anyone could have done better than Gailey- we'll never know- so Im not concerned about that.

The bottomline is- Yes, we have a debt that tops $100MM. It is obviously a crisis- that D'rad knew there were some problems, but after 6 months- stones have continued to be turned and the problem was much worse than known. Our school is one of only a few in the country that doesnt financially support the atheletic program one iota. I believe the AA gets less than 2% of their annual budget (right now est between $45-50MM) whereas a majority of schools get anywhere from 20-30%. A school and its AA should work hand in hand and should even more at GT where the Total Person Concept was invented by Homer Rice, but has neve been supported by the Academic side at GT-and it takes $$ to support. So You have a financial crisis, you have a new AD that came from a big state school, who had a strength at LSU in raising $$, that had a great Atheletic program, who is brought on to lead GT. The Alumni base has always been splintered on Chan Gailey from Day 1 and this year probably topped off the splintering. Most were embarassed by the way Gailey's team performed at the end- and they arent blaming the kids- its the Guy who leads them and makes the decisions- Gailey. So you have to raise money, a lot of it, and you have to have the majority support from the alumni base to do it. Yes, the big $$ (9 out of 10) are not giving a dime and have voiced their concerns vocally to D'Rad and he is well aware of the situation. Recruiting was actually in shambles until Giff Smith came in and fixed it. Gif Smith wont be here at GT long if he doesnt have a path to Head coaching someday- so if Gailey doesnt promote him-I believe hed be gone in a heartbeat. If so, the recruiting would be hurt because of that not becuase if Gailey left. Now, yes if there is a change you never know who the new regime would be but I believe D'Rad is astute enough to understand what GT needs in terms of a HC, and in terms of what could unite the alumni base- to raise money. He cant right now,

A good recruiting class is great- but it doesnt fix anything in the short run and D'Rad really doesnt have time to waste to fix this problem. So unfortunately, our financial situation is a factor right now in decisions that are going to be made. THe recruiting part was just my opinion, but the financial numbers and lack of support for Gailey are facts. Going to the Gator Bowl in '98, 10-2, beating Notre Dame was a huge improvement over Carquest the year before, then Gator again, then Peach. The next step is BCS- we still havent gotten there- and the support for Gailey after 5 years crashed at the end of the year. It was a debacle in every sense of the word-the UGA and Wake games. Those 2 games changed everything- and yes just those 2 were the final straw for many.

If Gailey doesnt get chosen by NFL, I believe in my opinion 1 of 2 things would happen- either Gailey is bought out or Gailey if forced to hire a new OC (and just cant see the OC thing happening) How could Gailey be bought out with the financial crisis you say? Because we can raise the money-when everyone is united- and that would be united. THats just my opinion.
 
What did we have to do to auto-hide GeeTee's posts? I did not even read the above post, I just know that if PreventOffense wrote it, then it is of no value and would like to ignore his inane posts as I do GeeTee's.
 
GT1992 said:
I did not even read the above post, I just know that if PreventOffense wrote it, then it is of no value and would like to ignore his inane posts as I do GeeTee's.
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That's a shame. You missed a very salient point.

I looked for a "hear no evil see no evil, or head buried in the sand" smilie, but didn't see one. Would be perfect for the remaining chan fans that want to continue to look the other way.
 
Two thoughts. First....PARAGRAPHS PLEASE

Second, we're simply not going to get into a bidding war with an NFL team no matter what we may want. We can't win it for one thing, and it would bankrupt the athletic dept.
 
Prevent Offense,
I do appreciate your straight up and to the point statements. You have made some very valid points that I can only presume are correct since I don't have the inside knowledge that many here have.

I stated after his second/third year that we needed to allow him 4 years and possibly 5 to get his program kicked off and going about as well as could be. This didn't work out as I had hoped, but as I stated earlier, there were some junky things that kept cropping up that hindered our progressing as we were looking for. Now, we're at the point of saying, 6 years. To be straight up honest, I'm saying we need to allow another year. With the recruiting turn and with the way some of the underclassmen have matured, I am really expecting great things for this coming season..........Now, what if next season doesn't come around as we want it to? Well, at that point, I'm saying, just let D.Rad do what he thinks is best for the program and if that means making a change, so be it. At this point, if CCG doesn't jump ship and climb onboard with the NFL again, he needs to understand that next season is the one he needs to take it to the BANK!!!!!
 
romegajacket said:
Prevent Offense,
I do appreciate your straight up and to the point statements. You have made some very valid points that I can only presume are correct since I don't have the inside knowledge that many here have.

I stated after his second/third year that we needed to allow him 4 years and possibly 5 to get his program kicked off and going about as well as could be. This didn't work out as I had hoped, but as I stated earlier, there were some junky things that kept cropping up that hindered our progressing as we were looking for. Now, we're at the point of saying, 6 years. To be straight up honest, I'm saying we need to allow another year. With the recruiting turn and with the way some of the underclassmen have matured, I am really expecting great things for this coming season..........Now, what if next season doesn't come around as we want it to? Well, at that point, I'm saying, just let D.Rad do what he thinks is best for the program and if that means making a change, so be it. At this point, if CCG doesn't jump ship and climb onboard with the NFL again, he needs to understand that next season is the one he needs to take it to the BANK!!!!!
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Sorry, been gone all day. I wouldnt mind that point of view. Change is hard on everyone and its better to keep things going- as in 7 wins a year- which again is not that bad- but then, most of our expectations should never be higher than that. My point is, in this day and age 5 years+ is plenty to see if the Head Coach is worthy. I think Chan has done ok, thats not to say I know who would have done better- noone will ever know. But, looking forward, we have a financial crisis and a Head Coach who doesnt have the support of a majority of the alumni- and the new AD is cognizant of that. You make a good point- next year, D'Rad could have certain goals that if not achieved then thats it- Those goals would have to include an ACC Championship- but thats not fair in and of itself- so I say make a change now. If only Gailey wasnt so darn stubborn we coulda shoulda won the ACC this year.
 
ncjacket said:
Two thoughts. First....PARAGRAPHS PLEASE

Second, we're simply not going to get into a bidding war with an NFL team no matter what we may want. We can't win it for one thing, and it would bankrupt the athletic dept.
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Bidding war? You still raise the bar if you love the coach. This auto extension is one of the worst ive ever heard of though. Its actually a pathetic move by an AD. Some years 9 wins stinks and some years a 7-win season are terrific- A bowl game should have 0 to do with an extension in this day and age considering you can go 6-6, lose your bowl like Minnessota- and Chan wouldve had an auto raise! Mason got fired. All Im saying is, there wont be any renegotiating Chan's contract for reasons to try and keep him here anyways, that says it all. He's fine, staus quo type, but I assure you D'Rad wants to make his mark so he can start raising the money he cant right now.
 
GT1992 said:
What did we have to do to auto-hide GeeTee's posts? I did not even read the above post, I just know that if PreventOffense wrote it, then it is of no value and would like to ignore his inane posts as I do GeeTee's.
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Sorry I fogged up your gold colored glasses. Didnt mean to. But the financial crisis is a fact- go check it out. $115MM to be frank with you. And there are more alligator arms now- as in those who arent reaching for their wallets to pay a dime. Why?
 
I have said it before I will say it again. This ain't the old "weak ass" ACC where you only had to worry about Clem's son and F$U. You bring in some guy who can't get the job done and it will take YEARS for GT to rebound if ever. When O'leary turned it around he was not playing VT and Miami every year in addition to Clem's son and sometimes F$U and also Fridge's MD and etc.

Also 1mil is NOT going to bring in a high quality coach. You better reach for your check books or our bowl streak will magically come to an end.
 
Law we well know your opinion that GT is one of the worst/toughest jobs in the county and we cannot attract quality candidates. I beg to differ. I personally think Drad can attract a quality candidate that the entire base will be happy with. I think the GT job is a great job. We have great facilities, a great academic institution, a great location (atlanta) and a strong supportive fan base when they feel like the coach is truly doing his best.
 
What you forget is the old weak ACC was not that weak. For one you had Mack Brown at UNC. UVA has always had a strong program and if I remember correctly entered Atlanta in the top 10 a couple of times. That ACC had a better bowl record every year than the new strong ACC.
 
This is the new ACC where a school with an enrollment of 3,000, running a gadget offense, and recruits no one else wanted wins the championship.
 
Not sure what your point is. The autoextension was part of the contract extension, as I assume you know. It was called a 5 year extension, but actually only added 4 years to the original contract. The way to get it to 5 was to go to a bowl in either of the first 2 years. It's now done with and no further auto extensions are included iirc. There was also no raise to the best of my recollection.

I agree that there won't be any renegotiation though, but it's because it wouldn't matter. Chan is interested in being HC at either Miami or Pitt. There is nothing Tech could do to change that and if he doesn't get either there is nowhere else he's going. So what is there to renegotiate?
 
ncjacket said:
Not sure what your point is. The autoextension was part of the contract extension, as I assume you know. It was called a 5 year extension, but actually only added 4 years to the original contract. The way to get it to 5 was to go to a bowl in either of the first 2 years. It's now done with and no further auto extensions are included iirc. There was also no raise to the best of my recollection.

I agree that there won't be any renegotiation though, but it's because it wouldn't matter. Chan is interested in being HC at either Miami or Pitt. There is nothing Tech could do to change that and if he doesn't get either there is nowhere else he's going. So what is there to renegotiate?
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My point is if the coach was such a "must-keep" and this was such a "great year" and we were actually worried he may leave, a renegiation would have already been started to up the salary etc etc. That will never be done. From what I thought and I may be wrong, every year Gailey goes to a bowl- a year is tacked on to his contract automatically. I may be wrong on that but thats what I understood. IF thats the case, its one of the most insane things Braine did. If its not that then I stand corrected.
 
No I think you're wrong on the contract. Someone posted the clauses around the extension and if it was accurate it was a one time, one year extension and he had the first 2 years of the contract to reach it. Meaning if we missed out on bowls this year and next but went the following year the extension would not have kicked in.

On the "must keep" thing, I think D Rad would just as soon he stay, especially since recruiting has clearly picked up. But we aren't in a position to bump up his pay enough to match anything the pros might offer and aren't going to give him a symbolic raise just to make him feel better. If he leaves, I think DRad already has our next coach lined up or almost so.

Personaly I don't really care except that it needs to be done quickly. I don't want to see this recruiting class come apart after finally doing it right. If Chan stays I think he can patch up any hard feelings with the kids. If he leaves, we need time for the new guy (Fisher I think) to get them excited about him.
 
Regarding the class, the big positive is that CG would most likely be the only one leaving. With the exception of a new OC (boo-hoo), I think the rest of the staff would stay in place if it is Jimbo.
 
Bluntly, If Chan is not picked up in the NFL, Give him 1 more season. If he does not pick up at least 12 wins total, he gets the axe.

Talking with others Gailey's problem is that he is not able to install a killer instinct in the players, and without that the players and assistant coaches will not be willing to push up the score to guarantee a victory.
 
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