Is this really the gold standard for ranking academic universities?

Buzzkill1974 said:
But sadly has UGA #10.
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Yeah, that was a stunner, and unbelievably, although not surprisingly, the mutts' ranking was the only one mentioned in an Augusta paper article a few weeks ago. They referred to Tech as "also on the list", without saying where. Last I checked #3 is a bit higher than #11. Other rankings I have seen of all universities have Tech in the 30s and Georgia in the 40s or 50s.
 
Supersize that order mutt said:
Yeah, that was a stunner, and unbelievably, although not surprisingly, the mutts' ranking was the only one mentioned in an Augusta paper article a few weeks ago. They referred to Tech as "also on the list", without saying where. Last I checked #3 is a bit higher than #11. Other rankings I have seen of all universities have Tech in the 30s and Georgia in the 40s or 50s.
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What cracks me up is I knew so many dudes that flunked out of GT, transferred to UGA, and got 4.0 grades afterwards saying it was stupidly easy. One of them was a landscape architect major at UGA which I guess they consider a difficult major?
 
TampaBayJacket said:
What cracks me up is I knew so many dudes that flunked out of GT, transferred to UGA, and got 4.0 grades afterwards saying it was stupidly easy. One of them was a landscape architect major at UGA which I guess they consider a difficult major?
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I suspect their law, medicine/pharma, mba programs are what carry the rest. I know smart people and dumb people who graduated from UGA. Most of the stupid people i knew at tech failed out. Although, I don't believe they do that much anymore.
 
QuadF said:
I suspect their law, medicine/pharma, mba programs are what carry the rest. I know smart people and dumb people who graduated from UGA. Most of the stupid people i knew at tech failed out. Although, I don't believe they do that much anymore.
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It's also MUCH harder for stupid people to get into Tech in the first place than it was 40 years ago. Essentially very, very, few stupid people from out of state can get in - even legacies and diversity admittees.
 
1982Jacket said:
It's also MUCH harder for stupid people to get into Tech in the first place than it was 40 years ago. Essentially very, very, few stupid people from out of state can get in - even legacies and diversity admittees.
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Hell, it's harder for smart kids to get in now too. Grandson of a classmate of mine while at Tech has a 4.0 HS GPA, and he was rejected.
 
Someone on the r/gatech subreddit did a deep dive on it. Faculty Resources (class size?) and Outcomes (40% of the total score) are weighing us down.

Sounds like some bs to me. I skimmed through their calculation page and didn't see a gd thing about what post grad salary offers were or long term salary estimates. Seems to me that's the only real "outcome" that matters. We're ranked 26 on payscale.com for that.



https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/how-us-news-calculated-the-rankings

https://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/bachelors

  • We rank 328 for "faculty resources" (this is 20% of the final US News score). This is a combination of class size, faculty/student ratio, faculty compensation, and faculty with a terminal degree. In this criteria, we are very behind other public schools such as UNC (ranked 113), UT Austin (84), and UC Berkeley (53).
  • We rank 53 for "outcomes" (40% of the final score). There are two criteria that we are not doing well:
    • Our graduate indebtedness ranking is 107. Our students graduate on average with about $22K in loans. This is above peer schools such as UNC (ranked 27 - $15K), UT Austin (ranked 87 - $20K), and UC Berkeley (ranked 20 - $14K). It's also quite a bit above the heavily-endowed "need-blind" Ivy+ schools: Students from Harvard, Princeton, Yale, MIT, and Caltech all graduate with less than $15K of debt. The top private schools give out massive amounts of finaid.
    • Our social mobility index is surprisingly low - we are ranked 372. This index accounts for graduation rates of Pell Grant recipients. Other schools such as UNC (160), UT Austin (186), and UC Berkeley (105) are doing better than us.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
What cracks me up is I knew so many dudes that flunked out of GT, transferred to UGA, and got 4.0 grades afterwards saying it was stupidly easy. One of them was a landscape architect major at UGA which I guess they consider a difficult major?
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I have a good friend who was EE and got burned out at Tech and transferred to uga. He told me it ain’t even close as far as challenging, Tech >>>>> uga
 
travgt01 said:
Someone on the r/gatech subreddit did a deep dive on it. Faculty Resources (class size?) and Outcomes (40% of the total score) are weighing us down.

Sounds like some bs to me. I skimmed through their calculation page and didn't see a gd thing about what post grad salary offers were or long term salary estimates. Seems to me that's the only real "outcome" that matters. We're ranked 26 on payscale.com for that.



https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/how-us-news-calculated-the-rankings

https://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/bachelors

  • We rank 328 for "faculty resources" (this is 20% of the final US News score). This is a combination of class size, faculty/student ratio, faculty compensation, and faculty with a terminal degree. In this criteria, we are very behind other public schools such as UNC (ranked 113), UT Austin (84), and UC Berkeley (53).
  • We rank 53 for "outcomes" (40% of the final score). There are two criteria that we are not doing well:
    • Our graduate indebtedness ranking is 107. Our students graduate on average with about $22K in loans. This is above peer schools such as UNC (ranked 27 - $15K), UT Austin (ranked 87 - $20K), and UC Berkeley (ranked 20 - $14K). It's also quite a bit above the heavily-endowed "need-blind" Ivy+ schools: Students from Harvard, Princeton, Yale, MIT, and Caltech all graduate with less than $15K of debt. The top private schools give out massive amounts of finaid.
    • Our social mobility index is surprisingly low - we are ranked 372. This index accounts for graduation rates of Pell Grant recipients. Other schools such as UNC (160), UT Austin (186), and UC Berkeley (105) are doing better than us.
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Cliff Notes Version: Nothing has changed in 40 years. Georgia BOR is STILL ööööing Georgia Tech in the a$$, hard.
 
1982Jacket said:
USNWR college rankings are essentially no better than People Magazine's "Sexiest Man Alive" awards.
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perfect example!

I didn't mind losing to Hugh Jackman and Thor because those are sexy sexy men (no homo).

but Johnny Depp? TWICE? He looks like he has personal hygiene issues.
 
I clicked some of the program rankings - ISYE #1, AE #1, CIvil #2, EE #2, #4 computer (not sure what they mean but one place better than the holiest of holies Stanford, ME #2

and % of 2020 undergrad degrees awarded:
ISYE - 1 10.2%
AE - 1 5.06%
Civil - 2 3.6%
ME - 2 14.7%
EE -2 5.06%
Computers - 4 general 4.81% general computer and info services 18.1%
Materials - 5 2.54%

so that's 38.6% of degrees are in programs ranked 1 or 2, another 25.4% in programs rated 4th or 5th

The overall rankings are bullshit, there are not 40 schools with more than 60% of their degrees issued in top 5 programs.

There are half a dozen top tiered engineering schools and we are somewhere in the middle of them. If someone wants to compare us to UGA why not throw in the Dahlonega Institute of HVAC and Sheet Metal work, about as much in common with us.
 
RoanokeJacket said:
I clicked some of the program rankings - ISYE #1, AE #1, CIvil #2, EE #2, #4 computer (not sure what they mean but one place better than the holiest of holies Stanford, ME #2

and % of 2020 undergrad degrees awarded:
ISYE - 1 10.2%
AE - 1 5.06%
Civil - 2 3.6%
ME - 2 14.7%
EE -2 5.06%
Computers - 4 general 4.81% general computer and info services 18.1%
Materials - 5 2.54%

so that's 38.6% of degrees are in programs ranked 1 or 2, another 25.4% in programs rated 4th or 5th

The overall rankings are bullshit, there are not 40 schools with more than 60% of their degrees issued in top 5 programs.

There are half a dozen top tiered engineering schools and we are somewhere in the middle of them. If someone wants to compare us to UGA why not throw in the Dahlonega Institute of HVAC and Sheet Metal work, about as much in common with us.
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Fact of the matter is you can be an HVAC technician or Sheet Metal machinist and be just as successful as a Rocket Scientist if not more. Other advantage with those businesses is you don’t need a country club membership, a big fancy house or drive an expensive car to fit in. You can live in a normal neighborhood where your slutty neighbor’s wife (sic) does topless jell-o shots after she mudwrestles the divorced Nurse on the corner and your kids don’t end up being maladjusted anti-social hermits. They can funnel a beer with the best of them and will date the nice girl with the nose ring and tats down her blouse you swore you saw last at that club that charges you $25 for a non-alcoholic woman’s drink…. and the HOA doesn’t fine you $100 for parking your boat in the driveway for 3 straight days.

Or so I read somewhere.
 
1982Jacket said:
Fact of the matter is you can be an HVAC technician or Sheet Metal machinist and be just as successful as a Rocket Scientist if not more. Other advantage with those businesses is you don’t need a country club membership, a big fancy house or drive an expensive car to fit in. You can live in a normal neighborhood where your slutty neighbor’s wife (sic) does topless jell-o shots after she mudwrestles the divorced Nurse on the corner and your kids don’t end up being maladjusted anti-social hermits. They can funnel a beer with the best of them and will date the nice girl with the nose ring and tats down her blouse you swore you saw last at that club that charges you $25 for a non-alcoholic woman’s drink…. and the HOA doesn’t fine you $100 for parking your boat in the driveway for 3 straight days.

Or so I read somewhere.
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Then let's see those updated rankings for the HVAC shop..I'd like to see usnews build a factor for cost : income growth. Im sure the HVAC and welding schools would boatrace most of these liberal arts universities.
 
gtphd said:
Why does anyone listen to USNWR and not Forbes or The Times? Does anyone actually subscribe to US News and World Report other than for college rankings? What gives them the right to they get to dictate what makes a college great?

Because colleges covet Chinese students, and Chinese students thought it was a government publication. Colleges jumped on the USNWR train and now it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's only authority is that people mistook a small publication with a formal sounding name for a government publication.

What does the rest of the world use? Times Higher Education (GT = 21 in the US and 45 in the world).
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Times Higher Education just came out.

GT #6 public school, #21 in the US, #38 in the world
 
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