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Two must lands.

If we close with these signatures, I'll be content with Coach Johnson's first class.
 
1. I don't believe ANYONE is a "must" any year.

2. In 2000, if you believed the ranking services, you would have said Hobie Holiday was the "must", instead of D Smith or K Fox.

3. I think we get 1 of the 2.

4. The GT football world will not end if we do that, or even if we get neither.

5. Both seem like fine young men, and I would welcome both.
 
I would like a comparison of CPJ's first class vs Gailey's first class.
 
It'd be hard to compare Gaileys first class with PJs because Gailey's staff closed the deal on over half of this class. I'd totally like to compare each's first "full" class, though, about 13 months from now.
 
beej67 said:
It'd be hard to compare Gaileys first class with PJs because Gailey's staff closed the deal on over half of this class. I'd totally like to compare each's first "full" class, though, about 13 months from now.
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How is that different from GOL -> Gailey?
 
GTKyle said:
Gailey's first class - 12 commits - Ranked #51
http://georgiatech.scout.com/a.z?s=140&p=9&c=8&toinid=654&yr=2002

CPJ's first class - 17 commits - Ranked #39
http://georgiatech.scout.com/a.z?s=140&p=9&c=8&toinid=654&yr=2008
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So Kyle...

Do you remember that class... or are they just names and numbers on a sheet of paper to you?

Do you know who committed when, under what coach, who stayed, who de-committed, and why? Do you know who Gailey got without any pre-contact from the GOL staff?

Do you even know how many ships were available?
 
Techbert said:
So Kyle...

Do you remember that class... or are they just names and numbers on a sheet of paper to you?

Do you know who committed when, under what coach, who stayed, who de-committed, and why? Do you know who Gailey got without any pre-contact from the GOL staff?

Do you even know how many ships were available?
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Does anyone really care to look it up? You need to stop acting like someone slapped your mother everytime someone points out a statistic that would indicate Chan Gailey didn't do a good job. He didn't. that's why he was fired. Lets move on.
 
Techbert said:
Do you even know how many ships were available?
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How does this affect the quality of recruits? I'm looking at every year after his first and they are all pretty bad except for the last one.
Oh well, not that it matters now. Just wish we still had I-Perfection!!
 
yellowphysics said:
How does this affect the quality of recruits? I'm looking at every year after his first and they are all pretty bad except for the last one.
Oh well, not that it matters now. Just wish we still had I-Perfection!!
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The "ratings" are based on total number of stars more than average number of stars.

And how can you compare a class of 12 with about 13 available, compared to a class of 17-19 with 25 available?

Sorry, BoR, if analysis bores you. Perhaps we should let those with no memory of a situation expound on it expertly.
 
hiveredtech said:
In reality, the majority of each of these classes is O'Leary's and Gailey's respectively.

Gailey and Johnson just had to solidify each class and then add a few at the end. We lost more kids in this one but the change was more drastic.
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This is correct.

I'd add that there was more continuity this time, since GOL took key coaching performers with him to his next job, while CPJ had his pick of the holdovers, his old staff, and outside coaches. CCG had BO'B, who is up there in my estimation with Pat Nix and Buddy Geis.

Much has been made of CCG's "late start" due to staying with the Dolphins until the end of their season. I'd say it turned out to be a wash, since recruiting now is more front-loaded now than it was then, with decison-making coming earlier.

CPJ's task was harder, since CCG only had to pull a couple out of Texas to round out his class, while CPJ still had half a class to go, factoring in losses.

I would definitely start comparing apples to apples with the 2009 class, and even then it is sometimes a stretch.
 
Techbert said:
So Kyle...

Do you remember that class... or are they just names and numbers on a sheet of paper to you?

Do you know who committed when, under what coach, who stayed, who de-committed, and why? Do you know who Gailey got without any pre-contact from the GOL staff?

Do you even know how many ships were available?
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Gailey's first class was a borderline disaster by any measure - regardless of circumstances. We had maybe 4 players out of the entire class that had any sort of productivity on the field.
 
goldmember said:
Gailey's first class was a borderline disaster by any measure - regardless of circumstances. We had maybe 4 players out of the entire class that had any sort of productivity on the field.
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Thanks someone for saying the honest truth. Gailey chose to come late put little effort in and had a terrible recruiting class his first year. It was a foreshadow of what was to come.

By the way I am fairly sure that CG had 22 ships available his first year.

Finally BOB's offensive results were the best Gailey ever had during his tenure at GT. BOB was and is recognized as a strong recruiter.

We have a direct contrast with PJ who has PERSONALLY put the effort into building this class by making in home visits unlike his CG who would not do that.
 
gtmg said:
by making in home visits unlike his CG who would not do that.
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you are saying that Gailey would not make in-home visits? i know you are absolutely wrong, if that is what you are saying

why are we still on this topic?
 
gtmg said:
We have a direct contrast with PJ who has PERSONALLY put the effort into building this class by making in home visits unlike his CG who would not do that.
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Now that is not truthful. CG made in-home visits to all recruits we wanted.

He admitted he did not understand the amount of time that needed to be put into recruiting initially (such as many NFL coaches that come to college)...and he did not have the right guys recruiting (Tommy Robinson, David Wilson, etc). It did get permanently fixed in a big way....that is undeniable.

However, in-home visits were not an issue. CG was a master in the living rooms.
 
ahem...

beej67 said:
It'd be hard to compare Gaileys first class with PJs because Gailey's staff closed the deal on over half of this class. I'd totally like to compare each's first "full" class, though, about 13 months from now.
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Kyle..
How is that different from GOL -> Gailey?
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Lots of reasons. See Techbert's post. Gailey actually worked to help us keep our recruits after he got fired, and we retained a lot more staff in this transition than the last transition. Plus, we had a lot more guys inked this time than last time when the coaching changed happened.

Have no fear, I'm not going all Gailey Apologist - I have no doubt that next year's recruiting class will be head and shoulders better than Gailey's second (first "full") class. But you gotta compare apples to apples, and we can't do that until February of 2009.
 
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