Key on ACC PM

BainbridgeJacket said:
After someone else starts 1-3, winning 0.625 the rest of the way which would be better than O'Leary. What else could you reasonably expect?
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The remaining schedule only has 1 out of 3 of the toughest teams on it. 0 ranked teams aside from Georgia. It's a weak schedule.

If you took 2 of the 3 toughest games off O'Leary's schedule every year I'm sure his record would be much better
 
Let's not forget an important fact: Brent Key coached the O-line on this team for 3+ years now and the OL has SUCKED and the team has SUCKED

He's already bombed on a big part of his "interview" in my opinion.
 
justafan said:
The remaining schedule only has 1 out of 3 of the toughest teams on it. 0 ranked teams aside from Georgia. It's a weak schedule.

If you took 2 of the 3 toughest games off O'Leary's schedule every year I'm sure his record would be much better
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And we were a team that looked bad against WCU. Again, what is your reasonable expectation that would get you on board with Key?
 
BainbridgeJacket said:
And we were a team that looked bad against WCU. Again, what is your reasonable expectation that would get you on board with Key?
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Don't like him for head coach based on interviews I've heard with him over the past few years and his OL performance. I think he could have an interview though if he gets to a bowl. Doubt he should get the job. Beat UGA and he can be a major contender.

I'm concerned he's going to get to a mediocre 5 or 6 wins yet people will say "Oh, the improvement!" and want to hire him. Improvement shouldn't be the standard, excellence should be.
 
justafan said:
Don't like him for head coach based on interviews I've heard with him over the past few years and his OL performance. I think he could have an interview though if he gets to a bowl. Doubt he should get the job. Beat UGA and he can be a major contender.

I'm concerned he's going to get to a mediocre 5 or 6 wins yet people will say "Oh, the improvement!" and want to hire him. Improvement shouldn't be the standard, excellence should be.
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You do realize if he gets us 6 wins that’s the equivalent winning percentage of a 9-3 season, right? He will only coach 8 games. 5 wins is equivalent to an 8-4 season. That sounds pretty darn good given that the precious coach could only get 3 wins out of this team.
 
cincytechie said:
The overall consensus two weeks ago on ST was that Key is a bum and is just as clueless as the Clown. Now, he's our savior. Crazy how one win changes everything. I'm rooting for the guy, but the last 3 years of o-line play will be hard to ignore. However, if it comes down to Key versus some loser that another program is happy to see go (like the Gregory and Pastner hires), I'll take Key.
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Strawman much? The overall consensus of him being a savior is just you being butt hurt. Literally everyone knows the jury is out on Key. God forbid a few fans pull for the guy or give him credit for a big win though right? Can’t have that.
 
W's matter but it's not all about that number of W's. A lot of factors including injuries can affect the number of W's. Further - can he recruit?

So in the end his hiring would be did the team show improvement with him as coach and can he recruit? Improvment can be measured with how did they play even if they lost.
 
I expect the new AD to have a ranked list of alternatives including Key that are interested and we can afford. Then it is a matter of working through the list from the top. Coach Key's results will determine where he ranks on that list.

I hope his results put him near the top. He is the only candidate at this point that definitely wants the job.
 
ramblin_wreck08 said:
You do realize if he gets us 6 wins that’s the equivalent winning percentage of a 9-3 season, right? He will only coach 8 games. 5 wins is equivalent to an 8-4 season. That sounds pretty darn good given that the precious coach could only get 3 wins out of this team.
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The problem with looking at it that way is the remaining games exclude 2 of our 3 toughest opponents (Clemson and Ole Miss). A 9-3 equivalent winning percentage against a weaker schedule means less than a 9-3 winning percentage against a stronger schedule. We have 0 ranked teams left on our schedule except Georgia!

Another way to make my point: Suppose Collins got fired before game 1. If you want to be generous with Key, we're 2-2 after UCF instead of 1-3. (The Clemson and Ole Miss games weren't close--Key coaching probably isn't changing the outcome.) So if Key wins 5 of the remaining 8, he's a decent 7-5, not 9-3 equivalent.
 
justafan said:
The problem with looking at it that way is the remaining games exclude 2 of our 3 toughest opponents (Clemson and Ole Miss). A 9-3 equivalent winning percentage against a weaker schedule means less than a 9-3 winning percentage against a stronger schedule. We have 0 ranked teams left on our schedule except Georgia!

Another way to make my point: Suppose Collins got fired before game 1. If you want to be generous with Key, we're 2-2 after UCF instead of 1-3. (The Clemson and Ole Miss games weren't close--Key coaching probably isn't changing the outcome.) So if Key wins 5 of the remaining 8, he's a decent 7-5, not 9-3 equivalent.
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And you don’t think that would indicate good coaching? What are your expectations for someone coming in and taking over a team that has won 3 games for 3 consecutive seasons? Instantly come in and win 10 games? It takes time to build to that level.
 
justafan said:
The problem with looking at it that way is the remaining games exclude 2 of our 3 toughest opponents (Clemson and Ole Miss). A 9-3 equivalent winning percentage against a weaker schedule means less than a 9-3 winning percentage against a stronger schedule. We have 0 ranked teams left on our schedule except Georgia!

Another way to make my point: Suppose Collins got fired before game 1. If you want to be generous with Key, we're 2-2 after UCF instead of 1-3. (The Clemson and Ole Miss games weren't close--Key coaching probably isn't changing the outcome.) So if Key wins 5 of the remaining 8, he's a decent 7-5, not 9-3 equivalent.
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Dude, winning 7 in year 1 after 3 years of 3 wins is a huge accomplishment and absolutely indicative of better things to come. Key may suck the rest of the year, but if he gets the team to a bowl, we should all celebrate that as a success. Let's talk about 9+ wins in 2024.
 
justafan said:
The problem with looking at it that way is the remaining games exclude 2 of our 3 toughest opponents (Clemson and Ole Miss). A 9-3 equivalent winning percentage against a weaker schedule means less than a 9-3 winning percentage against a stronger schedule. We have 0 ranked teams left on our schedule except Georgia!

Another way to make my point: Suppose Collins got fired before game 1. If you want to be generous with Key, we're 2-2 after UCF instead of 1-3. (The Clemson and Ole Miss games weren't close--Key coaching probably isn't changing the outcome.) So if Key wins 5 of the remaining 8, he's a decent 7-5, not 9-3 equivalent.
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For the love of god, shut the flying öööö up.
 
justafan said:
Don't like him for head coach based on interviews I've heard with him over the past few years and his OL performance. I think he could have an interview though if he gets to a bowl. Doubt he should get the job. Beat UGA and he can be a major contender.

I'm concerned he's going to get to a mediocre 5 or 6 wins yet people will say "Oh, the improvement!" and want to hire him. Improvement shouldn't be the standard, excellence should be.
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if the team is competitive, doesn’t beat itself, plays tough until the end, and makes a bowl, I would say that’s excellence and he’s in serious contention. I honestly think this group can make the ACCCG pending this weekend’s result. We dodge Wake and NC State and FSU is a big enough name to hype up our team for a good game. We have players. They just have to execute and stop beating themselves.
 
ramblin_wreck08 said:
And you don’t think that would indicate good coaching? What are your expectations for someone coming in and taking over a team that has won 3 games for 3 consecutive seasons? Instantly come in and win 10 games? It takes time to build to that level.
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I don't know if I'd call it "coming in and taking over" when he was already here a part of that team that has won 3 games for 3 consecutive seasons.
 
justafan said:
Another way to make my point: Suppose Collins got fired before game 1. If you want to be generous with Key, we're 2-2 after UCF instead of 1-3. (The Clemson and Ole Miss games weren't close--Key coaching probably isn't changing the outcome.) So if Key wins 5 of the remaining 8, he's a decent 7-5, not 9-3 equivalent.
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I'm not yet a supporter of Key, but I very much wish him well.

Based on the sample size, your characterization of Key not changing the outcome of the Clemson game is questionable at this point. The three things that changed against Pitt were punts, place kicking and finishing the game. We missed a field goal and had two punts blocked that led directly to first half scores for Clemson.

(WARNING: Put on your tin foil helmets for this one, it's a doozy...)

Hypothetically, remove those mistakes you go into the fourth quarter down 17-13. We outscored Pitt 17-14 in the 4th. That gives you a final score of 31-30 them. And think about how that game would have evolved if it ended like Pitt. Open the 4th quarter with a field goal, down 17-16. We score again to go up 23-17 with 10 minutes left in the game. We get stopped on downs at the one (!!!), under 4:00 to go. They drive the length of the field to go up 24-23 at under 2:00. We come back and score in 32 seconds, up 30-24. They get the ball at their 32 with 1:16 left and score with 0:16 left on the clock to go up 31-30. Against the #5 team in the country. After enduring the last three years. What a ööööing game that would have been.
 
WracerX said:
Probably not, but we could. Deion could be a late hire. Key might have to wait that long to cement his status. Gailey was a post Seattle bowl hire. Johnson came in before that (Collins too).

The early signing period may have killed the post bowl hires.
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Gailey wanted to fulfill his contract through the playoffs before starting at GT; this was a source of much early criticism of him.
 
justafan said:
Don't like him for head coach based on interviews I've heard with him over the past few years and his OL performance. I think he could have an interview though if he gets to a bowl. Doubt he should get the job. Beat UGA and he can be a major contender.

I'm concerned he's going to get to a mediocre 5 or 6 wins yet people will say "Oh, the improvement!" and want to hire him. Improvement shouldn't be the standard, excellence should be.
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Excellence don’t happen overnight.
 
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