KSU football and CPJ

daBuzz said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but KSU still doesn't allow fraternities to actually spend the night in their own frat house. Right or wrong?

If so, then Greek life will never take off like it does at other schools until they actually let people live in the actual frat house.
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We don't have any houses on campus, but most frats rent out manors at an off campus community, so its practically like a house; the fraternity just doesn't own it. I don't think many of you realize how different the situations are for the schools. KSU has at least 10k students living either on campus or within a mile of campus. We have an actual "real" college campus. We have our own stadium. We have local alumni that are supporting the team. Student attendance to basketball games is surprisingly high for a team of our quality (they totally suck). Our baseball team draws well too. I think you guys should get your facts straight before you try and be so dismissive and condescending
 
eneq said:
We don't have any houses on campus, but most frats rent out manors at an off campus community, so its practically like a house; the fraternity just doesn't own it. I don't think many of you realize how different the situations are for the schools. KSU has at least 10k students living either on campus or within a mile of campus. We have an actual "real" college campus. We have our own stadium. We have local alumni that are supporting the team. Student attendance to basketball games is surprisingly high for a team of our quality (they totally suck). Our baseball team draws well too. I think you guys should get your facts straight before you try and be so dismissive and condescending
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I'm not being dismissive or condescending. I think KSU is in a much better position than Georgia State and that they will actually make money.

I was just questioning about the frats because of some things I had been told by some of my baseball players...one of whom starts school in the fall to play for Mike Sansing and the Owls.
 
daBuzz said:
I'm not being dismissive or condescending. I think KSU is in a much better position than Georgia State and that they will actually make money.

I was just questioning about the frats because of some things I had been told by some of my baseball players...one of whom starts school in the fall to play for Mike Sansing and the Owls.
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That wasn't really directed towards you. I understand what you're saying about Greek life here. As big as it is, the lack of houses is really holding it back
 
eneq said:
I think you guys should get your facts straight before you try and be so dismissive and condescending
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Why so butthurt? This is Stingtalk and you've been around long enough to know better.
 
eneq said:
We don't have any houses on campus, but most frats rent out manors at an off campus community, so its practically like a house; the fraternity just doesn't own it. I don't think many of you realize how different the situations are for the schools. KSU has at least 10k students living either on campus or within a mile of campus. We have an actual "real" college campus. We have our own stadium. We have local alumni that are supporting the team. Student attendance to basketball games is surprisingly high for a team of our quality (they totally suck). Our baseball team draws well too. I think you guys should get your facts straight before you try and be so dismissive and condescending
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I don't think you understand my point. Football costs a lot of money. Maybe you're fine paying increased tuition to subsidize it, but it is wrong for you to force others. There is no money in it outside the power five and a few FCS teams. KSU is at the same on campus enrollment GT was at in 1984, but without the same alumni base. Wish you luck, but the people who decided to start the program will sock it to the students when their overly optimistic projections fail. Look no further than GSU.
 
It is a waste of money. I say that as an SPSU alum that somehow is now a KSU alum. Unfortunately, college is about generating revenue nowadays. Kennesaw will pay for their program, no matter how much they have to increase fees.
 
GT1992 said:
I don't think you understand my point. Football costs a lot of money. Maybe you're fine paying increased tuition to subsidize it, but it is wrong for you to force others. There is no money in it outside the power five and a few FCS teams. KSU is at the same on campus enrollment GT was at in 1984, but without the same alumni base. Wish you luck, but the people who decided to start the program will sock it to the students when their overly optimistic projections fail. Look no further than GSU.
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I think KSU starting at FCS and projecting to stay at FCS for the foreseeable is economically feasible. Their travel costs won't be as much, their scholarship costs won't be as significant and they won't need the extra layers of staff you find at a FBS program. If they were planning on going FBS anytime soon, yes, that would be a financial disaster. But their stadium size is suited for FCS (it would have to be doubled or tripled in capacity to reach FBS levels).

If they play one money game a year, brings in $250K-$350K, that buoys the bottom line. As FBS, they could get $700k-$1M for that kind of game, but they are far off from getting the financial footing to get to FBS. And I think they know that.

Now, while Georgia Southern has expanded the stadium and brought in crowds for its first FBS year, that expansion is being done on the backs of students. And they have to play 2-3 money games a year. The Sun Belt commissioner wants his teams to get away from doing that, but the La-Monroe coach said it was imperative they get one or two money games a year. Meanwhile, the Southern AD is asking fans and boosters to each find five friends to bring into the fold.
 
swampsting said:
I think KSU starting at FCS and projecting to stay at FCS for the foreseeable is economically feasible. Their travel costs won't be as much, their scholarship costs won't be as significant and they won't need the extra layers of staff you find at a FBS program. If they were planning on going FBS anytime soon, yes, that would be a financial disaster. But their stadium size is suited for FCS (it would have to be doubled or tripled in capacity to reach FBS levels).

If they play one money game a year, brings in $250K-$350K, that buoys the bottom line. As FBS, they could get $700k-$1M for that kind of game, but they are far off from getting the financial footing to get to FBS. And I think they know that.

Now, while Georgia Southern has expanded the stadium and brought in crowds for its first FBS year, that expansion is being done on the backs of students. And they have to play 2-3 money games a year. The Sun Belt commissioner wants his teams to get away from doing that, but the La-Monroe coach said it was imperative they get one or two money games a year. Meanwhile, the Southern AD is asking fans and boosters to each find five friends to bring into the fold.
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The difference between Southern and Kennesaw is alternatives and the makeup of the student body. I had my doubts when Southern decided to go from a successful FCS school to at best, a mid tier FBS. The reshuffling and playoff make the decision even more dubious. You guys had a good thing going.
 
GT1992 said:
Georgia Tech's grown immensely since I started there in 86. I'm not worried about kids getting meaningful degrees, but liberal arts schools tend to have a lot of fluff that leads to a job at the Gap for the 41% who actually graduate.
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And that has what to do with selling tickets or building a fan base for sports?
 
JJacket said:
So KSU spends money on happy fun time, SPSU spent money on drudgery and math and learning. I went to SPSU. It was like prison. I figured that is how it was supposed to be. Some of my classes in the mechanical building (like Terrmodynamics) were like being in the gulag. We suffered and we liked it. We had the ever so dangerous bathtub race to place us in peril every spring during race practice as you tried to get to class with a 175cc tub flying past you at 70 MPH (other than that öööö shitty electric tub that would run slowly for a bit and die). I drove a tub from the mid 1970's. It would fly.

FWIW, I enrolled a few short years after the break from GT managing the place. The reason then was to give SPSU, or Southern College of Technology then, its own identity. It was a celebrated move at the time.
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Thought the split was to satisfy jimmah carter's huge ego.
 
GT1992 said:
Maybe you're fine paying increased tuition to subsidize it, but it is wrong for you to force others.
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This is a funny comment. The entire state university system is about forcing people to pay for things they don't want. The system is supported by state and federal taxpayers, many of whom don't attend college or have kids attending a state school. The tuition and fees are not specific to major, and yet some subjects of study are much more expensive to fund than others. Do you think that students at GT are actually paying for the cost of attendance? The costs are mostly paid by lottery participants, federal research grants, and state taxpayers. The tuition and fees paid by students is a small part of the actual cost, which is why private universities charge 3-4 times as much. Students who don't want to pay athletic fees are free to choose any school they get accepted to. Attending a state university is the best bargain you are going to find in your entire life.
 
jacket67 said:
This is a funny comment. The entire state university system is about forcing people to pay for things they don't want. The system is supported by state and federal taxpayers, many of whom don't attend college or have kids attending a state school. The tuition and fees are not specific to major, and yet some subjects of study are much more expensive to fund than others. Do you think that students at GT are actually paying for the cost of attendance? The costs are mostly paid by lottery participants, federal research grants, and state taxpayers. The tuition and fees paid by students is a small part of the actual cost, which is why private universities charge 3-4 times as much. Students who don't want to pay athletic fees are free to choose any school they get accepted to. Attending a state university is the best bargain you are going to find in your entire life.
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Dr Papp? Is that you?
 
jacket67 said:
Students who don't want to pay athletic fees are free to choose any school they get accepted to. Attending a state university is the best bargain you are going to find in your entire life.
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Totally agree!
 
TheTaxJacket said:
GSU fans were also very excited as well in 2010. That doesn't do öööö when your team is losing. They'll get unexcited real quick. Initial student excitement has nothing to do with it. You sound like a GSU student back then. See how that's worked out.
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Georgia State has a message board, too. I think anymore it is just the moderator talking to himself. Kind of like GTSportsTalk.
 
DressCheeseSideSeaboard said:
Georgia State has a message board, too. I think anymore it is just the moderator talking to himself. Kind of like GTSportsTalk.
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KSU's message board KSU Owl Howl is dead not many folks post there at all. There have been a handful of posts since their Black and Gold game in April.
 
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