List: NFL Starting QB's NOT better than Tebow

BuzzMD said:
Geori, I think you have not seen any Lions football this year. Kitna was their starting QB, but got injured -- Kitna >> Tebow in all comparisons.
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I'm assuming BuzzMd is John Kitna. He's the Matt Stairs of the NFL. Or maybe Matt Stairs is the John Kitna of MLB.

Either way, I can't believe either of them are still collecting a paycheck.
 
Tebow could start on the Lions because they are on their 5th QB. #4 was signed off the street out of retirement.

He could challenge in KC because Tebow's name is large enough to challenge Thigpen.

Tebow's "I tried to run over a few people to get the crowd revved up" would last 1 Ray Lewis tackle. NFL LBs aren't 6'0/215 like those in college. Many stand 6'3+/235+ with better than Tebow speed. Its even money if he even makes it out the preseason uninjured.

Tebow is similar to Vick on the field. The big difference is Vick tried to outrun people instead of running over them. I hope it works out for him. Its a good reason why the shelf life on a running back is so short.
 
BTW, my left field prediction is that Vick is going to be the Lions QB next year. And Vick > Tebow
 
Geori said:
If you don't think Tebow could start for the Lions, then you haven't watched Lions football this year.
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We should all be so lucky. Knowing the first hand truth about the Lions is like bragging about having experience in sewer scuba diving.
 
WaCoJacket said:
Tebow could start on the Lions because they are on their 5th QB. #4 was signed off the street out of retirement.

He could challenge in KC because Tebow's name is large enough to challenge Thigpen.

Tebow's "I tried to run over a few people to get the crowd revved up" would last 1 Ray Lewis tackle. NFL LBs aren't 6'0/215 like those in college. Many stand 6'3+/235+ with better than Tebow speed. Its even money if he even makes it out the preseason uninjured.

Tebow is similar to Vick on the field. The big difference is Vick tried to outrun people instead of running over them. I hope it works out for him. Its a good reason why the shelf life on a running back is so short.
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+1 ... which I also said in another post. You do not have your franchise QB running over people. Hell, Big Ben does not do this, and he is as big, or bigger than Tebow. Vick could make people miss -- which made him dangerous as a scrambler -- Tebow does not scare NFL defenses with his running, like he scares college defenses.

Speed/strength of NFL >>>>> Speed/Strength of college IN EVERY DEFENSIVE POSITION. You do not let your QB try to run them over. By game 2, your starter is now your backup, due to concussions.

And, no, I am not Kitna, and feel he should have retired years ago as well, but you are fooling yourself, CDK, if you think Tebow > Kitna.
 
Only time will tell who is correct and who is incorrect in this argument. In my opinion, Tebow would have been a good QB if he was entering the 1980's or 1990's NFL. But the 2000's + NFL has way too many athletes that will take away his double threat nature because he doesn't have as much speed as a pro dual threat QB. I may be way off on this one, but only time will tell how good he will be in the NFL.
 
kirbee said:
Forgive me, I think you just proved my point.
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No, you listed a former starter who was a bust -- much like Leaf was as well. For every good draft selection, there is bad draft selections in every position (Bosworth, Leaf, Mandarich, Atlanta WR's, etc.). Yes, the draft is pretty much a crapshoot -- but my point throughout this entire discussion is no NFL team is going to waste a first day selection on someone who has poor mechanics at their franchise position. They might waste a 2nd day pick, but not a first day. Tebow is a winner, and he may end up being the second coming of Montana -- but at the end of this season, his arm throwing mechanics are bad and slow. I think Cajun is right -- he might have been able to get by in the 80s or 90s with drafting high with poor mechanics -- but GM's are fired for those decisions these days.

BTW, since you mentioned Alex, I also think part of Smith's problem is that he has had about 4 different NFL offensive coordinators since joining the league -- learning 4 different NFL offenses is pretty much a damnable offense, especially when the last offensive coordinator is Mike Martz. Another problem was his shoulder -- which Nolan thought was fine, but Alex thought differently.
 
WracerX said:
I don't know, Tebow reminds me of Heath Shuler from UT.
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I don't see the need to insult him that much. There's nothing to indicate he's going to become a lapdog to the liberal kooks, democrat backbencher congressman is there?
 
gthog61 said:
I don't see the need to insult him that much. There's nothing to indicate he's going to become a lapdog to the liberal kooks, democrat backbencher congressman is there?
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I didn't even know Shuler was a congressman when I posted that. I just remember Heath running over college LBs right and left. When he tried it in the NFL, he took a beating.

After a few concussions your out of the NFL. A few more and you aren't allowed to drive anymore. Get over twenty and they send you to Congress.
 
Allen Koholic said:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/tim_layden/01/13/tebow/index.html?bcnn=yes

A few paragraphs in. Apparently, He Who Shall Not Be Named thinks enough of him as a quarterback.
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Excellent article. It speaks to the fundamental assumptions people are making when asserting that Tebow cannot be an NFL QB. Conventional NFL wisdom agrees, but then the game itself changes and "conventional wisdom" changes.

Some folks I would say know a bit about the NFL are intrigued at the possibilities.

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Remember the same "conventional wisdom" holds that CPJs offense won't work in BCS conference football.

There aren't many brave souls in the NFL who are willing to try something different than what every other team is doing. But when one does and is successful, then everyone copies them and it becomes the new standard (same in NCAA.)
 
lonestarjacket said:
Excellent article. It speaks to the fundamental assumptions people are making when asserting that Tebow cannot be an NFL QB. Conventional NFL wisdom agrees, but then the game itself changes and "conventional wisdom" changes.

Some folks I would say know a bit about the NFL are intrigued at the possibilities.

P.S.
Remember the same "conventional wisdom" holds that CPJs offense won't work in BCS conference football.

There aren't many brave souls in the NFL who are willing to try something different than what every other team is doing. But when one does and is successful, then everyone copies them and it becomes the new standard (same in NCAA.)
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See: Wildcat Formation
 
BuzzMD said:
No, you listed a former starter who was a bust --
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No I just listed a guy with similar measurables that happened to come from the exact same system and had the same kind of success.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice and you can't be an NFL General Manager.

Now consider Vince Young. He's a significantly BETTER athlete than Tebow, with that size and strength, and was as much of a winner in college. He lost his job to a washed up late 30 something QB from the scrap heap who just led the team to best record in the NFL.

Tebow will make a very nice H-Back in the NFL. He'll probably be more successful if he goes to medical school and starts clinics for poor people in 3rd world countries.

It is easy to make a list of starting QBs that suck in the NFL. That has nothing to do with another guy becoming a top NFL QB.
 
RB's last about four years in the NFL. The pounding just takes its toll. Tebow would make a nice HB but is he a better HB than guys that have been practicing similar positions for the last four years? I'd pick Tebow in the 3rd round and take a chance, but as a QB he isn't good enough throwing and as a runner he won't last long. Joe Hamilton was a wonderful competitor but the NFL really wouldn't let him have a chance. Tebow is smart building his name at Florida. He can always fall back on insurance sales, etc to the Florida fans if he needs to.
 
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