Listening to CPJ during his radio show....

msm5 said:
That wasn't my point. All I was trying to say is that without facts, your statement that there is a correlation is worthless. You seem to be saying that:

Religious coach --> less wins than non-religious coach

But you never made note of all the non-religious coaches who don't do well. Make a list of the religious coaches, average their wins, and then average the wins of the other coaches. I'd be interested to see the results, although I'm not sure how you define being a Bible-thumper.
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One, I don't care enough. Two, I don't need to for the same reason that don't have to research the science of sun exposure and skin pigmentation to know that there's a correlation.

I'm right. You just don't like it.

Btw, I never said immoral, a-hole coaches are always successful. Not every correlation can be flipped around. Nice try, though.
 
wombat said:
One, I don't care enough. Two, I don't need to for the same reason that don't have to research the science of sun exposure and skin pigmentation to know that there's a correlation.

I'm right. You just don't like it.

Btw, I never said immoral, a-hole coaches are always successful. Not every correlation can be flipped around. Nice try, though.
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See, if Gailey had called a few more players "Dickwad," I bet we would beaten Wake in the ACCCG.
 
unforgiven108 said:
Terrible attempt at deflection.
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I don't feel the need to deflect...whatever that theory thing was you threw up there. If you want to go toe-to-toe with other people's wit, I've got a box full. I prefer my own ideas, however.

Knock yourself out on the research, though. And for the record, my idea of a "Bible-thumper" (did I really use that word? I prefer "-banger" normally), is Chan Gailey. I hope I don't need to go into more detail than that.
 
wombat said:
See, if Gailey had called a few more players "Dickwad," I bet we would beaten Wake in the ACCCG.
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I'm still pissed at this loss. I hate Chan Gailey for this... why couldn't we just play Bennett for ONE QUARTER?!!!?!

I hope we humiliate Wake Forest this year.
 
wombat said:
I don't feel the need to deflect...whatever that theory thing was you threw up there. If you want to go toe-to-toe with other people's wit, I've got a box full. I prefer my own ideas, however.

Knock yourself out on the research, though. And for the record, my idea of a "Bible-thumper" (did I really use that word? I prefer "-banger" normally), is Chan Gailey. I hope I don't need to go into more detail than that.
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This was the whole reason I posted the 'internet dickwad theory' picture. You come in here spouting some unfounded 'fact', much like an ESPN blogger would ("They[ncst] won't see that kind of athleti**** again this year"), and then back it up by saying you're too lazy to do any kind of research to back your 'facts'. And when someone, who probably put in 2 seconds of research, retorts with a counterargument you casually wave it off.

Garbage.
 
As a person of faith, I certainly view hearing that my coach is also a believer, involved in a local church, as a plus. If he lives out that faith on a daily basis, he will be more concerned with helping his players accomplish their goals than to promote his own reputation, will exemplify character, perseverance, and fairness. He will be a good leader of young men - all of this is a plus.

However, the coach that puts his faith on public display to bring attention to himself does the faith no good and can be a detriment to a team. The idea that we win because the good Lord blessed us, as if God wants his team to win at the expense of the opponent, is poor theology and immature faith.

Coach Johnson seems to focus on coaching and teaching young men. He does not wear his faith on his sleeve. But, I have heard from friends at Second Ponce he is a committed church member. That suits me just fine.

That a player in a program learns over the four or five years that his coach is a person of faith is a good thing. That a player sees his coach use his faith to play well before the cameras is not so good.
 
77GTFan said:
As a person of faith, I certainly view hearing that my coach is also a believer, involved in a local church, as a plus. If he lives out that faith on a daily basis, he will be more concerned with helping his players accomplish their goals than to promote his own reputation, will exemplify character, perseverance, and fairness. He will be a good leader of young men - all of this is a plus.

However, the coach that puts his faith on public display to bring attention to himself does the faith no good and can be a detriment to a team. The idea that we win because the good Lord blessed us, as if God wants his team to win at the expense of the opponent, is poor theology and immature faith.

Coach Johnson seems to focus on coaching and teaching young men. He does not wear his faith on his sleeve. But, I have heard from friends at Second Ponce he is a committed church member. That suits me just fine.

That a player in a program learns over the four or five years that his coach is a person of faith is a good thing. That a player sees his coach use his faith to play well before the cameras is not so good.
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Yeah, I hate Richt too.
 
77GTFan said:
As a person of faith, I certainly view hearing that my coach is also a believer, involved in a local church, as a plus. If he lives out that faith on a daily basis, he will be more concerned with helping his players accomplish their goals than to promote his own reputation, will exemplify character, perseverance, and fairness. He will be a good leader of young men - all of this is a plus.

However, the coach that puts his faith on public display to bring attention to himself does the faith no good and can be a detriment to a team. The idea that we win because the good Lord blessed us, as if God wants his team to win at the expense of the opponent, is poor theology and immature faith.

Coach Johnson seems to focus on coaching and teaching young men. He does not wear his faith on his sleeve. But, I have heard from friends at Second Ponce he is a committed church member. That suits me just fine.

That a player in a program learns over the four or five years that his coach is a person of faith is a good thing. That a player sees his coach use his faith to play well before the cameras is not so good.
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This is a good post. CPJ does not wear his faith on his sleeve, but you can see it in how ethical he is coaching. He makes no promises to players, period, since he knows he could never keep them. He says it how it is in press conferences, but does not throw players under the bus.

If anything devoutness should help a coach succeed at getting his players to execute because devoutness typically goes with an old-school work mentality. A lot of coaches have all the talent in the world but seem to underutilize it, where CPJ and Urban Meyer push their guys hard to get tough and do the hard work to succeed. That does a lot more than calling guys dickwads any day of the week.
 
wombat said:
Hell, even Hitler went to church.

How about this: Prince is a Jehovah's Witness now. And guess what, he sucks. Like college football, funk is no place for the religious man. Prince was at his best when he was sinning.
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Wombat, if you would do just a tad of research you would find out that Hitler wasn't that big a fan of church.

"We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany." :mad:

Hitler probably would have made a mediocre football coach. Decent ground game with an intimidating blitz; but he had real difficulty protecting deep and seemed to always be vulnerable to the bomb; and he always blamed the team's failures on the players or assistant coaches.
 
Funny you should say that, but I think Hitler would have run the TO perfectly.
 
wombat said:
I will say this, and it will be unpopular with some, but here goes: you can't be a Bible-banger and be a good coach at GT. Let the kids find a religious role model somewhere else.
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Oh? Don't suppose you heard of a fellow by the name of Bobby Ross. Granted, his devotion to Christ was, shall we say, understated but real enough.
 
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