Louisville with their 2nd 5 star

OmnipoTech said:
I was referring to this statement:

That seems to suggest those 4 extra guys have no added value to you, which would be dismissing their potential contributions.
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I guess I worded that wrong. Of course 4 more guys at 5.5 would make our class stronger, but should that be enough to move the needle to say that our class was below that of Louisville to begin with when our top 13 was better than their top 13 which was more than half of their class. I think if anything it should've been more of a wash and about equal instead of them being 7 spots better in one ranking service and 17(!) spots better in another.
 
GoGATech said:
I guess I worded that wrong. Of course 4 more guys at 5.5 would make our class stronger, but should that be enough to move the needle to say that our class was below that of Louisville to begin with when our top 13 was better than their top 13 which was more than half of their class. I think if anything it should've been more of a wash and about equal instead of them being 7 spots better in one ranking service and 17(!) spots better in another.
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The exact value of those 4 guys is certainly hard to gauge, but I think that's true for all the rated guys as well. How many 4 stars have we had that didn't pan out at all? The whole thing is a pseudo-science designed to sell subscriptions, so I agree there are issues with how the rankings are calculated, whether they are current team rankings or total team talent rankings.
 
OmnipoTech said:
The exact value of those 4 guys is certainly hard to gauge, but I think that's true for all the rated guys as well. How many 4 stars have we had that didn't pan out at all? The whole thing is a pseudo-science designed to sell subscriptions, so I agree there are issues with how the rankings are calculated, whether they are current team rankings or total team talent rankings.
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The exact value of those guys shouldn't matter since we are "lightyears better than" they are. By any measure, be it yearly recruiting rankings or whatever, we should be clearly superior.

Actually, I hope GoGATech is right. If GGT is right, then we should be 3-4 games better than Louisville this year and 6 wins should be our floor. And if we don't get to 6 wins and Collins is released, we should have coaches begging to come to GT and coach this roster.
 
aeromech said:
The exact value of those guys shouldn't matter since we are "lightyears better than" they are. By any measure, be it yearly recruiting rankings or whatever, we should be clearly superior.

Actually, I hope GoGATech is right. If GGT is right, then we should be 3-4 games better than Louisville this year and 6 wins should be our floor. And if we don't get to 6 wins and Collins is released, we should have coaches begging to come to GT and coach this roster.
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Well, we did beat the sh*t out of UL when we played them in 2020 - even with this staff that many folks argue can't coach their way out of a paper sack, so we must be surpassing them in talent. This season should be a good gauge if we are that much better than them, we have 5 common opponents to go by, but the final record may not be a good indicator because the rest of the games are much harder on our schedule.

Both play:
UCF
FSU
Virginia
Pitt
Clemson

Remaining 7:

Louisville
Syracuse
USF
Boston College
Wake
James Madison
NC State
Kentucky

GT
Western Carolina
Ole Miss
Duke
VT
Miami
UNC
UGAg

Western Carolina/JMU and Duke/Syracuse I would call a wash, but I would say the other 5 on our schedule are all harder than their remaining 5.
 
GoGATech said:
Well, we did beat the sh*t out of UL when we played them in 2020 - even with this staff that many folks argue can't coach their way out of a paper sack, so we must be surpassing them in talent. This season should be a good gauge if we are that much better than them, we have 5 common opponents to go by, but the final record may not be a good indicator because the rest of the games are much harder on our schedule.

Both play:
UCF
FSU
Virginia
Pitt
Clemson

Remaining 7:

Louisville
Syracuse
USF
Boston College
Wake
James Madison
NC State
Kentucky

GT
Western Carolina
Ole Miss
Duke
VT
Miami
UNC
UGAg

Western Carolina/JMU and Duke/Syracuse I would call a wash, but I would say the other 5 on our schedule are all harder than their remaining 5.
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just a comment about the 2021 talent composite.It currently doesn't represent the 21 team. I think they are updating it to become the 22 composite (maybe 21 will be restored upon completion), since gibbs and Ivey have been removed and Tchio,Quick, and TP all added. I suspect other transfers either have or are being updated too. An interesting tidbit is that the transfers are added with the HS rating which is helping our score a lot. ( wish they would share more of their methodology - transfer ratings are used with portal and overall rankings)
 
NCAA gonna get in that ass and leave a cigarette burning in it so these dumb ööööers know who gave the word. Morons.
 
GoGATech said:
Well, we did beat the sh*t out of UL when we played them in 2020 - even with this staff that many folks argue can't coach their way out of a paper sack, so we must be surpassing them in talent. This season should be a good gauge if we are that much better than them, we have 5 common opponents to go by, but the final record may not be a good indicator because the rest of the games are much harder on our schedule.

Both play:
UCF
FSU
Virginia
Pitt
Clemson

Remaining 7:

Louisville
Syracuse
USF
Boston College
Wake
James Madison
NC State
Kentucky

GT
Western Carolina
Ole Miss
Duke
VT
Miami
UNC
UGAg

Western Carolina/JMU and Duke/Syracuse I would call a wash, but I would say the other 5 on our schedule are all harder than their remaining 5.
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We are in the ACC Coastal for crying out loud. We are facing several first year coaches this year. I get so tired of people trying to use our schedule as some sort of excuse for our Win-Loss record. We play a very tough UGA, and a Clemson who is very down, the rest of the schedule is simply not that intimidating at the P5 level.
 
aeromech said:
We are in the ACC Coastal for crying out loud. We are facing several first year coaches this year. I get so tired of people trying to use our schedule as some sort of excuse for our Win-Loss record. We play a very tough UGA, and a Clemson who is very down, the rest of the schedule is simply not that intimidating at the P5 level.
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You are really having trouble with comprehension. You said we should be 3-4 games better than UL this year if I am right about our talent. I said total W-L may not be a good indicator because of schedules. I didn't say we had some super un-winnable schedule. I said ours is harder than theirs, which is true. So you can't necessarily compare the W-L records of 2 teams when their schedules are not equal. We could end up with the same record or only 1-2 more wins than them because their schedule is much easier.

GT <---> UL
UCF = UCF
FSU = FSU
UVA = UVA
Pitt = Pitt
Clem = Clem
WCU = JMU
Duke = Syracuse
UGAg >>>> Kentucky
Ole Miss >> NC State
Miami >> Wake
UNC >> Boston College
VT >> USF
 
HamiltonFan said:
Nice. Found the Louisville native.
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Nope
Just been there

But many years ago I had a roommate who grew up in Kentucky.

Loouhvul, according to 247’s crystal balls, is in line to get one of the top OL in Georgia, I believe
 
GoGATech said:
You are really having trouble with comprehension. You said we should be 3-4 games better than UL this year if I am right about our talent. I said total W-L may not be a good indicator because of schedules. I didn't say we had some super un-winnable schedule. I said ours is harder than theirs, which is true. So you can't necessarily compare the W-L records of 2 teams when their schedules are not equal. We could end up with the same record or only 1-2 more wins than them because their schedule is much easier.

GT <---> UL
UCF = UCF
FSU = FSU
UVA = UVA
Pitt = Pitt
Clem = Clem
WCU = JMU
Duke = Syracuse
UGAg >>>> Kentucky
Ole Miss >> NC State
Miami >> Wake
UNC >> Boston College
VT >> USF
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We are in the coastal, there is no "much easier". Duke has a first year coach, so does VT. Your comparison should look more like:

GT <---> UL
UCF = UCF
FSU = FSU
UVA = UVA
Pitt = Pitt
Clem = Clem
WCU = JMU
Duke < Syracuse
UGAg >> Kentucky
Ole Miss > NC State
Miami < Wake
UNC = Boston College
VT < USF

And then our roster should be "light years" ahead of UL and improving while UL is deteriorating.
 
aeromech said:
We are in the coastal, there is no "much easier". Duke has a first year coach, so does VT. Your comparison should look more like:

GT <---> UL
UCF = UCF
FSU = FSU
UVA = UVA
Pitt = Pitt
Clem = Clem
WCU = JMU
Duke < Syracuse
UGAg >> Kentucky
Ole Miss > NC State
Miami < Wake
UNC = Boston College
VT < USF

And then our roster should be "light years" ahead of UL and improving while UL is deteriorating.
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Syracuse may be better than Duke but if you think Wake is better than Miami, UNC and BC are equals, and USF is better than VT then you are off your rocker.
 
GoGATech said:
Syracuse may be better than Duke but if you think Wake is better than Miami, UNC and BC are equals, and USF is better than VT then you are off your rocker.
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Wake was 11-3 last year and won the Gator Bowl, while Miami was 7-5, UNC & BC were both 6 win teams, VT was a losing team last year who is getting new coach this year; South Florida is rebuilding to so maybe that one should be more even. Duke was awful last year and has a brand new coach this year, the edge in that one should clearly favor Syracuse.
 
aeromech said:
Wake was 11-3 last year and won the Gator Bowl, while Miami was 7-5, UNC & BC were both 6 win teams, VT was a losing team last year who is getting new coach this year; South Florida is rebuilding to so maybe that one should be more even. Duke was awful last year and has a brand new coach this year, the edge in that one should clearly favor Syracuse.
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Ahh yes because last years results = this year's team. How silly of me. Wake will regress back closer to the norm. Miami has tons of talent and Cristobal will have them much better prepared than in years past. BC did not beat a team with a winning record last year while UNC beat both Wake and Miami but you think they are close to even? UNC has much more talent than BC and coaching is probably equal. VT with a new coach is still better than a rebuilding USF. USF has 3 wins TOTAL in the last 2 years.
 
GoGATech said:
Ahh yes because last years results = this year's team. How silly of me. Wake will regress back closer to the norm. Miami has tons of talent and Cristobal will have them much better prepared than in years past. BC did not beat a team with a winning record last year while UNC beat both Wake and Miami but you think they are close to even? UNC has much more talent than BC and coaching is probably equal. VT with a new coach is still better than a rebuilding USF. USF has 3 wins TOTAL in the last 2 years.
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You can't say last year's results don't matter and then try to use last year's results as justification for why you think one team is better than another. Your takes on Wake and Miami also don't seem to have any basis beyond what you feel will happen, which is also less reliable than looking at last year's results.
 
OmnipoTech said:
You can't say last year's results don't matter and then try to use last year's results as justification for why you think one team is better than another. Your takes on Wake and Miami also don't seem to have any basis beyond what you feel will happen, which is also less reliable than looking at last year's results.
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I didn't say they don't matter, I said you cant just assume last years results = this years team. Sure what they did last year is taken into account. But you cant just say, Wake is better than Miami because they won 11 and Miami won 7. Just like you can't say UNC and BC are equals because they both won 6 last year. My opinion on Wake and Miami may be a bit subjective but there is a much higher probability of Miami being better next year and Wake being not as good next year than the opposite.
 
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