MCB Created Major Decision Point for Tech

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data is data....these low tier bowl games (and locations) are working against our numbers and may not truly reflect on our fans. However, the raw data of our fan travel makes for a reputation and it could be used against us (at bowl selection time...ie Emerald bowl). If we won more, we'd have better matchups in better locations...which may change our numbers. However, nothing points to anything changing anytime soon and that spinning in circles is a cycle we cannot seem to get out of. I for one bought tickets to that great sissy bowl against the mighty Utes... got my points, but that is about it.
 
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Stupid is as stupid does.

Nice one Forrest.

MCB showed this season that data is not just data since they absolutely drew fewer folks inviting the snobs as opposed to us.
 
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Okay explain something to me. 10,000 ticket sales is what UVA supposedly guaranteed the MCB...and they didn't make it. 28,000 is as much as the Champs bowl has ever drawn on a pre-Christmas date. BTW it's more than the attendance the previous time we played down there, in the Carquest against WV back in '97. It was also more than either NCState or Clemson drew in the previous two years. So I still don't know what you're trying to say, except that you don't think we should get better bowls?

You are right about one thing though. As long as any ACC team gets sent to San Francisco or Boise there will be no ticket sales. If actually having fans attend the games I simply can't understand why the ACC has those tie-ins. It's not a Tech thing, it's an ACC thing. Nobody wants those trips.
 
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you are using logic that bc a bowl game is close by that it would draw a big GT fan base...that is what you insinuated with the MCB. The only one we've had close by in years was Orlando in 2004 and like it or not we didn't draw a large number for that bowl, either. You defend that we had less than 10,000 ticket sales by saying it was before Christmas or something and that it was a high number for THAT type of bowl. I say who cares bc if we travelled well, our fans would support the bowl game, regardless (especially one that is close), and we would be there in big numbers. The numbers say otherwise. They were low..it is what it is. Same as Boise, San Francisco, and Seattle. Yes, those games were further distances, but nonetheless, when you look at our total ticket purchases over the past 5 years to bowls, our numbers aren't all that impressive.
 
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Unless your talking about a top tier bowl game (BCS bowls, Cotton, Gator, Peach, Sun maybe), isn't attendance at most of these second tier bowl games marginal at best. Several of the bowl games I watched were played to far less than capacity crowds.

This makes sense, winning is what draws fans to home games (although I know places like Knoxville, Ann Arbor, and many others will sell out consistently) and makes them want to travel to bowl games.

In GT's case, winning 6-7 games and accepting a bid to the Champs Sports Bowl is not, under normal circumstances, going to entice fans to pack up during the holiday's and head for Orlando, let alone San Francisco or Boise.

However, put a couple of 8-9 win seasons together and qualify for a Gator or BCS bowl and the fans should come. I was in Orlando in '91 for the Citrus Bowl (and I know the game had National Championship ramifications for GT and may be a skewed example) but GT fans packed that stadium on that day ...which was quite an awesome site I might add.

I think GT travels as good as any other school that has consistently acheived at the level that brings about the reward of accepting a bowl game played several days before the new year.
 
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I think we travel as well as anyone, from a ratio of total "true" fans perspective.
People are burying their heads in the sand a bit when they think that Tech, who has trouble putting 50k in their own house for a conference game will then suddenly travel in numbers comparable to schools that sell out 75k + stadiums.

note: This statement has nothing to do with the raleigh-durham area conference brethren. That's a whole different story analagous to Batchelor telling Tech he's not coming because we don't offer a teaching certificate. Bullshit.

From a raw numbers view, we just don't have as many people buying our sweatshirts or tickets. That's just the way it is.
The why of this has been argued here many times, but we will not ever have the same size fan base of say, Clemmons.
And, the more fans you have, the higher the chances are that 25,000 tickets to a toilet bowl will be purchased. Look it up.
We just need to get better, so we go to games where they have to take us.
 
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GeeTee, you are clearly a dawg in disguise. Just go away. I can see a fan complaining about a play call or use of personnel, but to attack yourself is a highly unusual trait for a human being. Please just go away.
 
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what I say strikes a nerve with some I guess. What I've said cannot be denied...some just don't want to hear it and would rather spin our current situation vs dealing with it, I suppose.
 
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People are burying their heads in the sand a bit when they think that Tech, who has trouble putting 50k in their own house for a conference game will then suddenly travel in numbers comparable to schools that sell out 75k + stadiums.


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THAT is indeed the point, PW. We have fewer fans in our own house than the Dawgs do when we host them, for goodness sake. And that is not just because we are a smaller school, with fewer local alumni. The bigger reasons are that (a) we've been mediocre for a long time, which doesn't get people excited about traveling to watch us, and (b) for the same reason - i.e., years of mediocrity - we've lost a whole generation, if not two, of potential fans. Of all the rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth UGA fans there are out there, the majority of them are not GA alumni. A lot of them are transplants to Atlanta from other parts of the country, and others are people who grew up watching the Dawgs win. These people could have been Tech fans if we'd given them much to cheer about the last 20 years. I'm not saying we haven't had a few good seasons during that time, but you don't build a big fan base with a good year now and then; you have to be good consistently.

AND...GeeTee, I agree with you, and salute you for buying tickets to the disaster on the left coast. No non-Tech fan, and very few fans, would do that.
 
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That is a crock of baloney. We don't have fewer fans in our house than UGA. It isn't even close.

This whole bowl things is a joke. The MCS screwed up because they didn't feel the pulse of the Jacket Nation. It was beating strong even after the close loss to UGA. We would have sent 25,000 fans to Nashville.

The second part of the joke is GeeTee. In Orlando, we had the highest or statistically the same attendance as any of those "huge fan base schools that travel well". But now he compares our bowl to a different bowl this year because it's after Christmas. That's a huge difference, but he's so red and black that he's blinded. He clearly is no Tech fan.

And I bought tickets to San Fran AND I had people in those seats. So what? Tech averages more home fans than Miami and easily triples the number of fans that Miami sends to bowl games. Prior to USC, Miami was the dominant player in college football for the last twenty years. They don't measure themselves on stadium size, bowl followers, so why should we?

The SEC media has you guys convinced that it's all about the numbers. If that was the case, then Duke basketball wouldn't count for anything.
 
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The SEC media has you guys convinced that it's all about the numbers. If that was the case, then Duke basketball wouldn't count for anything.

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I don't read the SEC media...I'm not even sure who they are. And the only numbers that count as far as I am concerned are wins and losses. My comments were to other posts which were talking about the numbers of fans who travelled with the team. "We guys" didn't bring up the topic, we just commented on it. But thanks for not calling me a Dawg fan.
 
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what makes you thing we'd have 25,000 fans at the MCB vs Minnesota when when we didn't have anything close to that in a more desirable location in Orlando just two years ago?
 
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Whooaah Nellie, NonG.

While I don't completely disagree with you, my point is that we have had a smaller fan base than most for at least the majority of my life. I was too young in the mid '60s to remember.
That's just the nature of Tech. For example, 1990. Let's say our "rabid" fan base doubled during the championship year. That total number of fans during the zenith of winning half of it all would still probably put the number below a Tenn, Ala, or uga in their normal years.

Winning more ball games would certainly give us some new fans. Some would be lifers, but many would be temporary band wagon variety.

I'm not bitching, just stating what I feel is fact.
 
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And, likewise, I don't completely disagree with you. I do think, however, that 'rabid' fans are usually made over time, after years and years of following a team. Our program's performance - almost since the Dodd days - has not been consistent enough to build that loyal following. I'm sure we had more fans in 1990 when we won a share of the NC, but I'm almost as sure that many of those dropped out of sight after a few years of medicrity. UGA, on the other hand, gained fans during the Dooley days who, whether they went to GA themselves or not, have raised their own kids to be Dawg fans as well. Kids as well as newcomers get a lot more excited about a winner than about a loser.
 
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Why don't you actually produce some data to support your argument... Quote real numbers and cite the references please. Otherwise admit that your comments are just opinions.

Let me start by quoting a few facts. Tech sold all their allotment of tickets to the ENB even tho it was 3K miles away in queer city. Tech largely outnumbered Nebraska fans at the Citrus Bowl, ND fans at the Gator Bowl.

I'd like to see how many of the toothless red and black fans would have made it to any bowl west of the Mississippi. Thats a long trip by tractor.
 
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Very fair.

You haven't said this, but I think you will agree with me that Ga. Tech has a much greater potential of increasing its fan base than do the football factories.
I think many people want to be Tech fans, but it's been just too damn heartbreaking for them.
 
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We certainly do on a % growth basis, as we are starting with a much smaller fan base than most of the so-called football factories. However, kids growing up in an area are likely to cheer for the winner, and don't care whether that school is a FB factory or not, and when they become adults, those loyalties usually remain.

And just a note to Ramblinwise1: Isn't it okay to post opinions on here? I thought that was part of what this is all about.
 
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What ever gave you that idea!? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugher.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugher.gif

Agree with you on the other thought too, and not just because we are near the bottom of the fan scale compared to the local dominant sec teams.
 
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