Muschamp

beej67 said:
I do not see how Muschamp is significantly better than Tenuta.

With Tenuta, we get to keep our recruits and the bulk of our coaching staff, including Giff Smith.
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If we don't hire for this line of reasoning, then I don't have a problem with that decision.

If we don't hire him, because of where he went to school then we're completely basing business decisions on emotion which usually doesn't end well.

Edit: just to be clear, Muschamp is not my favorite choice, but it has nothing to do with where he went to school.
 
GoldenTornado said:
Exactly. The point is not how good he is, but how good he is with the talent he has. Tech has some defensive talent but Auburn has more and LSU has a lot more.

As for SEC-caliber offenses, the last six good SEC teams Tenuta faced he gave up 3, 19, 14, 14, 15 and 31 points. And in the last game the D played great for three quarters but got worn out b/c we lost the turnover battle.
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Another thing to consider is that yes, generally speaking, SEC offenses are better than that of the ACC, but also don't forget how much our defense seems to be on the field w/ the abysmal performance of the offense over Tenuta's tenure. Although, maybe our TOP isn't that bad since we ran the ball so much.

I will say that I prefer Muschamp over Tenuta if only for the breath of fresh air at the HC position.
 
TechGator1066 said:
I can't really argue with that point, but remember talent doesn't equal success; it takes a good coach to turn talent into on field success. You could have a whole team of blue-chip athletes, but could piss it all away with inept coaching.
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i.e. Miami (FL)
 
JacketDan said:
If we don't hire for this line of reasoning, then I don't have a problem with that decision.

If we don't hire him, because of where he went to school then we're completely basing business decisions on emotion which usually doesn't end well.

Edit: just to be clear, Muschamp is not my favorite choice, but it has nothing to do with where he went to school.
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Unfortunately, emotion is tied to money which makes it a business decision and I would argue Chan was fired based partially on emotion. I'm sure lots of fans would be upset with a Dawg at the helm and that would translate into less revenue.
 
I don't think Tech fans would be particularly upset with Muschamp ... until he starts to lose, in which case they will have a lot less patience with him than someone else.

If Muschamp loses the next 2 Georgia games, for instance, I can already tell what Stingtalk will look like. It won't be pretty.
 
AllAmericanBuzz said:
Unfortunately, emotion is tied to money which makes it a business decision and I would argue Chan was fired based partially on emotion. I'm sure lots of fans would be upset with a Dawg at the helm and that would translate into less revenue.
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I see what you're saying, but what if he comes out wins 7-8 games next year including beating a UGA team that will be pre-season top 5 in the country?

How quickly will people forget where he went to school and start buying tickets then?
 
As I said somewhere else, the risk/reward on WM is pretty high.

If he wins, awesome.

If he loses....it's an absolute disaster.

Whereas with someone like Hatcher, if he wins, and wins big, it's HUGE. If he loses, it's not a complete disaster, just a roll of the dice that didn't work.

That being said, I'll be OK with WM, I just think it's going to be Hatch.

NB: I have no sources. (EDIT: other than demjackets on here)
 
JacketDan said:
I see what you're saying, but what if he comes out wins 7-8 games next year including beating a UGA team that will be pre-season top 5 in the country?

How quickly will people forget where he went to school and start buying tickets then?
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Winning does solve most problems. If he came in and won 8 games including the Georgia one, he would definitely win over most of the anti-UGA-coach crowd.

I will totally support him from day 1 if DRad hires him, but until then I'm against him because of his school affiliation...I don't know if that makes me a great fan or a terrible fan.
 
1gtfan said:
If we are going to hire a DC for head coach it better be Tenuta...Why the love affair with Muschamp from some? He is a dog!!! Talk about a divided house! That would be a huge mistake, im willing to predict Drad wont make. There are way too many other qualified candidates to hire this guy...

But, I agree with what you are saying, we shouldn't go after a DC...Very rarely works...
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Well, if in DRAd's eyes Muschamp is the best person we can hire, then we are all idiots for not allowing him to be hired based on something that has nothing to do with his coaching abilities. Ultimately, that is the only thing this is about. So I suggest you get over where he played college ball. UGA did when they hired Vince Dooley.
 
BarrelORum said:
Well, if in DRAd's eyes Muschamp is the best person we can hire, then we are all idiots for not allowing him to be hired based on something that has nothing to do with his coaching abilities. Ultimately, that is the only thing this is about. So I suggest you get over where he played college ball. UGA did when they hired Vince Dooley.
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Personally, I agree, but others are making a good point about fan base division. DRad is a client of the fans and, even if it is irrational, many fans are immediately suspicious of a guy who played at UGA. The risk of fan base division in the event of Muschamp not panning out has to be considered. It was the same way at Bama with Curry. Many of the old time alums never warmed up to him because he was from GT.
 
Personally, I think it would be awesome to hire a mutt to beat the mutts. They would instantly hate him for life as a traitor, and we would prove the smarter school for using their own product against them. He would quickly become one of our own. If he wins and beats UGA, none of us should give a rats ass.

And if you do give a rats ass, then you should probably never be in a position to hire another person. Because if someone is the best candidate for a job, you don't not hire him due to something totally outside the realm of why you are hiring him in the first place.
 
floridajacket said:
The risk of fan base division in the event of Muschamp not panning out has to be considered.
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This hire will be a very large stamp on DRad's legacy at GT. I think there is a much higher risk for DRad if he hires a UGAg grad that fails versus someone else, even someone like Hatcher.

That being said, if DRad feels that Muschamp is the best motherf$%#@# for the job, hire him...
 
Who cares if he played for Georgia. He could consider playing at Tech a moral "step-up." Haha.

Maybe a good indicator of fan support of his former dawgedness is evaluating a similar situation:
Have Yankees and Red Sox fans cared much when their players flip-flop between the two teams? Any of you know? I know a few people who don't really mind at all.
 
I guess for comparison purposes have any of the following schools ever hired a Head Coach from their biggest rival? (I got this list from a search for the best college rivalries)

Florida St/Miami
Auburn/Alabama
Michigan/Ohio St
Georgia/Georgia Tech
South Carolina/Clemson
Oklahoma/Oklahoma St
Oregon/Oregon St
Army/Navy
Pitt/West Virginia
UCLA/USC
Oklahoma/Texas
Florida/Georgia

I don't know the answer, but I was curious if there was an instance of this elsewhere.
 
AllAmericanBuzz said:
Winning does solve most problems. If he came in and won 8 games including the Georgia one, he would definitely win over most of the anti-UGA-coach crowd.

I will totally support him from day 1 if DRad hires him, but until then I'm against him because of his school affiliation...I don't know if that makes me a great fan or a terrible fan.
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I think it makes your a great fan, but I'm not sure it would make you a great AD. ;)
 
AllAmericanBuzz said:
I guess for comparison purposes have any of the following schools ever hired a Head Coach from their biggest rival? (I got this list from a search for the best college rivalries)
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Bo Schembechler, the great Michigan coach, was a coaching assistant to Hayes during his tenure at the nastiest that is OHIO STATE. I am not joking.

If this can be done, then certainly a UGA-Tech former player relationship is fine.

Wikipedia Bo Schembechler and you'll find the source. Or ask my father.
 
I knew Schembechler was an asst. under Hayes, but he didn't go to Ohio State, he went to Miami (OH).
 
hiveredtech said:
Remember that being a great coordinator has little to do with being a great head coach. They are completely different roles....they no longer have time to run the offense/defense...instead have to be managers of other men/coaches, parents, boys, media, etc.

...particularly former def. coordinators it seems...fwiw.
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and the beat goes on....from these goody 2 shoes tech fans with no fire
 
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