New Divison Alignments

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gtfan1147

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Disclaimer: Fearing the repost police may be out in full force, I haven't read past the first couple pages, so I don't know if anyone has posed this question:

Are you unhappy with the current stacked Coastal and cupcake Atlantic? What kind of divisional alignments would you like to see? Give me your two divisions of 6 teams and change the divisional names if you'd like.

I figure this is a good question because it seems everyone this week is talking about how Tech and FSU should be in the same division. And I absolutely agree.

Here goes, trying to keep things equal and assuming Miami and Florida St. MUST be in opposite divisions and 2 NC schools in each:

1) Georgia Tech, Florida State, Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia

2) VPI, BC, Miami, Maryland, N.C. State, Wake Forest

Rivals: FSU-Miami, Duke-Wake, UNC-NCST, VPI-UVA, Clemson-Maryland, GT-Miami

Yes, this has flaws.....so does the current alignment.

Thoughts?
 
I like how it groups the former Big Easties (BEASTIES) together with Maryland but I think I'd swap UNC for NCST. Just not an easy alignment but I do agree we should be in the same group with FSU.
 
With your alignment, Miami has two perm. rivals: GT & FSU, and I notice that BC does not.

North:
BC
Maryland
VPI
UVA
UNC
NC State

South:
FSU
Miami
GT
Clemson
Duke
Wake

Makes more sense for the divisions to be based on geographic location. Of course it will never happen.
 
dmann said:
With your alignment, Miami has two perm. rivals: GT & FSU, and I notice that BC does not.

North:
BC
Maryland
VPI
UVA
UNC
NC State

South:
FSU
Miami
GT
Clemson
Duke
Wake

Makes more sense for the divisions to be based on geographic location. Of course it will never happen.
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I like this one the best. But I think the rules for the ACC-CG should not be divisional. It should just be the two best teams, regardless of division (this would be based off ACC records).
 
In honor of the NC forerunners, I suggest three divisions aligned as such:

Northern Division:
Boston College
Maryland
Virginia
VA Tech

Southern Division:
Clemson
GA Tech
FSU
Miami

Crappy Division:
UNC
NC State
Dook
Wake

In deference to Wake and NCSU, which actually play football from time to time, each of the other two divisions will alternate playing them each year. Dook and UNC can continue playing with themselves.
 
I like these others too. No easy answer. I think the conference needs to first realign by "demoting" Swofford.

We've got fish to fry.
 
gtfan1147 said:
Disclaimer: Fearing the repost police may be out in full force, I haven't read past the first couple pages, so I don't know if anyone has posed this question:

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Thoughts?
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If only there were a way to search these forums for keywords such as division and realignment... If only...
 
Current alignment was stupid mad by stupid people who reasoned that the power stucture at the time would persist into all eternity.

Geographic aligment is what makes sense and, not coincidentally, what every OTHER conference with divisions has done.

It doesn't matter if one division is more powerful on balance from time-to-time. Things change.

But you can't judge the top two teams in the conference unless every team played the same schedule. Division aligments allow us to pick a winner from teams based on common teams and that is most fair.
 
lonestarjacket said:
There are no new subjects on this board. I would rather he start a new thread than necromance an old thread.
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Honestly what difference does it make? If you use the little blue icon next to each thread title, it takes you right to the newest post. At least then you get the context of the previous discussion instead of rehashing previous sentiments.
 
Enuratique said:
If only there were a way to search these forums for keywords such as division and realignment... If only...
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Do you one better... a link to an older thread, that points out that it is a repost of an older thread. Nonetheless, I still believe what I wrote in September, after I first wrote it in May.


GO JACKETS!!!
Beat the criminoles, semenholes, and whatever else you find down there...
 
dmann said:
With your alignment, Miami has two perm. rivals: GT & FSU, and I notice that BC does not.

North:
BC
Maryland
VPI
UVA
UNC
NC State

South:
FSU
Miami
GT
Clemson
Duke
Wake

Makes more sense for the divisions to be based on geographic location. Of course it will never happen.
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Man I'd love the idea of realignment at somt point geographically. I agree, would probably never happen...but the south would seemingly be stacked if everyone ever gets that ducks in a row again.
 
Wow, FSU and Clemson, two teams within driving distance of GT, playing every year and fighting us for the ACCCG? Who could have thought of such an amazing idea?

It was asinine, asinine, asinine. It was absolutely blatant that they were going for Miami/FSU twice every year and of course it back fired on them in a big way. So what's the closest school to GT in our division now? UNC? Duke? Miami? Idiots.
 
dmann said:
With your alignment, Miami has two perm. rivals: GT & FSU, and I notice that BC does not.

North:
BC
Maryland
VPI
UVA
UNC
NC State

South:
FSU
Miami
GT
Clemson
Duke
Wake

Makes more sense for the divisions to be based on geographic location. Of course it will never happen.
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Yep, definitely an oversight on my part. Change that to Clemson-BC and GT-Maryland. Assume all other rivals stay the same.
 
gnats67 said:
I like how it groups the former Big Easties (BEASTIES) together with Maryland but I think I'd swap UNC for NCST. Just not an easy alignment but I do agree we should be in the same group with FSU.
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Thought about this too, gnats. But didn't UNC and Duke agree to expansion only if they were in the same division? I assumed that in making my divisions. My first draft actually had NCST in place of Carolina, but I changed it based upon what I suspect to be their stance.
 
Enuratique said:
Honestly what difference does it make? If you use the little blue icon next to each thread title, it takes you right to the newest post. At least then you get the context of the previous discussion instead of rehashing previous sentiments.
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OTOH, what difference does it make? Is anyone going to want to wade through old posts wandering through a thread's train of thought for "context" of opinions?

Unless someone is starting multiple threads on the same subject to bump others off the front page, I have no problem with them bringing up old subjects again. (I think our uniforms are a slightly different shade; how important is the UGA game to GT; would the SEC be better for GT; do you like Bill Curry?, etc.)

Since others have replied, there is obviously still interest. No one is obliged to post if they expressed an opinion in an old thread. If the subject is tired and old to you, don't read it and don't reply to it. Simple solution.
 
As long as we're all dreaming, here's my dream:

Coastal
Ga Tech
Georgia
Auburn
Alabama
Clemson
South Carolina

Atlantic
Florida
Florida St
Miami
Tennessee
LSU
Virginia Tech

New television networks, both available on all basic cable packages:

ACC SPORTS
ACC SPORTS 2

Every game televised.

Annual nonconference rival: Notre Dame
 
lonestarjacket said:
OTOH, what difference does it make? Is anyone going to want to wade through old posts wandering through a thread's train of thought for "context" of opinions?

Unless someone is starting multiple threads on the same subject to bump others off the front page, I have no problem with them bringing up old subjects again. (I think our uniforms are a slightly different shade; how important is the UGA game to GT; would the SEC be better for GT; do you like Bill Curry?, etc.)

Since others have replied, there is obviously still interest. No one is obliged to post if they expressed an opinion in an old thread. If the subject is tired and old to you, don't read it and don't reply to it. Simple solution.
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Hey I agree... I just get humored when people say "I didn't see this on the front page, so here you go". Work smarter, not harder. Use the tools at your disposal. Gleaning headlines, which are either insufficient or have diverged greatly from the original topic, seems like the wrong way to go.
 
dmann said:
With your alignment, Miami has two perm. rivals: GT & FSU, and I notice that BC does not.

North:
BC
Maryland
VPI
UVA
UNC
NC State

South:
FSU
Miami
GT
Clemson
Duke
Wake

Makes more sense for the divisions to be based on geographic location. Of course it will never happen.
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It needs to be geographic, just like the alignment listed by dmann. The problem is initially the ACC South looks like the SEC East(minus a team as good as Florida) and the ACC North looks like crap, with Va Tech being the only viable contender, leaving UNC and Boston College as mediocre teams and everyone else terrible.

Somehow, rivalries must be formed out of these alignments.

Some are easy to determine:
Duke-UNC
NC State-Wake

Others not nearly as easy:
Miami-Va Tech
Florida State-BC
Georgia Tech-UVa
Clemson-Maryland

The thing about these alignments is that eventhough they are unbalanced now, overtime they will become more balanced because inevitably some teams must lose and others must win, which will affect the players these schools can get on campus.

These alignments will certainly spark more regional interest.
 
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