NFL draft prospects on this team.

Imo, Finch, Jackson, and Mason will play on Sundays. Bailey is waay too fragile. On D, JT is the best bet and eventually, Hunt-Days.
 
GTWannaBee said:
That's been my only problem with Sims. He seems to go down on first contact too often. Laskey seems to stay up better. I'm hoping this is Sims break out year.
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I wouldn't say first contact. I think Sims is stronger at the line. But once he gets loose, he goes into ball protect mode. He goes down with any contact to preserve the 5-10 yards gain. Laskey fights for yards down field just as hard as at the LOS. Laskey just doesn't have big play (50+ yrd) potential. Sims could hit those big plays if he would stop letting 190 lb DBs bring him down.
 
pandajacket said:
Louis Young will get drafted, along with maybe Isaiah Johnson and Emmanuel Dieke. I don't see anybody on the offense going unless David Sims has a huge year. (Which I think he will)
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You may have well raised your hand to everyone on this board and said "I have no clue what I'm talking about".
 
I think it's funny that this thread appears right above the, "UNC is effin delusional" thread.
 
GTWannaBee said:
That's been my only problem with Sims. He seems to go down on first contact too often. Laskey seems to stay up better. I'm hoping this is Sims break out year.
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Honestly, I always thought Dwyer went down too easily as well. He would run right over people and had tremendous breakaway speed for a big back, but if you got his feet or knocked him off balance he was done.
 
johncu said:
Honestly, I always thought Dwyer went down too easily as well. He would run right over people and had tremendous breakaway speed for a big back, but if you got his feet or knocked him off balance he was done.
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Unless, of course, he was running out of bounds to avoid contact. I used to hate that.
 
GTsapper said:
Unless, of course, he was running out of bounds to avoid contact. I used to hate that.
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I think the only time he ever did that intentionally was when he had hurt his leg. It was like a minor hammy pull and he got what he could but went ahead and coasted out because he was hurt.
 
This thread is hilarious. Some people who are saying that Dieke, Sims and Finch are going to get drafted are the same ones that said Cross, Orwin and Barnes were going to get drafted. It's comical.

If Uzzi didn't get drafted, Finch, Jackson, and Bailey aren't getting drafted. Mason has a small chance.
 
SGA_Jacket said:
This thread is hilarious. Some people who are saying that Dieke, Sims and Finch are going to get drafted are the same ones that said Cross, Orwin and Barnes were going to get drafted. It's comical.

If Uzzi didn't get drafted, Finch, Jackson, and Bailey aren't getting drafted. Mason has a small chance.
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see, this is also not necessarily true. drafts go by years and the status of one player is somewhat determined by a comparison to those around him

thus, some years one might get drafted because there is a lack of better players at some specific position, not some absolute scale of comparison

but there is ALSO an absolute scale of comparison

its not either one or the other but both, so the scale slides a little and projecting is tougher than it might seem
 
We need another piss drinking bet on this.
Uzzi not getting drafted has ööööle to do with his prowess on the field. The fact that his knees might not let him walk normally later in life kept him from being drafted.
Some of you guys don't understand that it's all about the measurables. If Orwin ran a 4.3 instead of a 4.6, he would have been drafted. Now, you can't suck and have a sucky workout and still get drafted. But you can have a so-so year and blow away the combine and shoot up the boards. See: Anderson, Jamaal
I think with a good year and good workouts: Young, Sneezy, and Jemea will get drafted, maybe as high as second round with great workouts.
These 4 have the body type, but are currently UDFA, but with great workouts and good seasons can move into the draft: I. Johnson, Watts, Dieke, Sims
 
SGA_Jacket said:
This thread is hilarious. Some people who are saying that Dieke, Sims and Finch are going to get drafted are the same ones that said Cross, Orwin and Barnes were going to get drafted. It's comical.

If Uzzi didn't get drafted, Finch, Jackson, and Bailey aren't getting drafted. Mason has a small chance.
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You are hilarious. Comparing everyone of those players to Uzzi is semi-ridiculous. One, Uzzi has an injury situation. Two, Uzzi did nothing to improve his draft stock once last season ended.

When you are talking about players in the 6th-7th round, usually you are talking about players with a very high stock that fell (see e.g. Dwyer) or players that had very good workouts at the combine, pro day, etc. With Uzzi (and Smith), neither worked out for scouts. Further, Smith had off-season surgery and Uzzi wouldn't disclose details on his injury.

Those concerns and lack of ability to work out easily could have cost Uzzie and Smith 1-2 rounds. Cross and Barnes were signed as free agents almost immediately, so its not as if they were that far away from getting picked. At the end of the day, you only have to impress one team to be drafted.

Dieke is 6'6. That puts him in a much different category of player than Cross. Not to mention Dieke and Cross's stats are nearly identical for last year. If Dieke makes some improvement (and he should have favorable situations opposite Attaochu), he could project as a 6th or 7th rounder. If the question is "prospects," its certainly not laughable that he'd get picked - especially with the 6'6 frame.

I'd agree that Finch will likely not get drafted. I think he's about 20 lbs too small unless he is somehow able to put on some weight between now and the draft.

I don't see how its crazy that Sims would get drafted. I don't know that he will, but he did look pretty good last year before he got hurt. If he's able to put up 1200 yards, a reasonably big if, he'll stand a good shot.

In terms of other guys who have a shot given improvement and strong play, Shaq Mason has a great body type for a guard, as do Errin Joe and Thomas O'Reilly. Those guys will all be ~310 pounds at least going into the NFL draft. There's demand for that no matter how you slice it.

I don't think he would get picked, but I could see teams experimenting with Waller as a free agent at other positions.

I'm going to go with Synjyn Days as a darkhorse candidate. He's 6-2, 225 and is probably the hardest runner on the team. If either he or Deon Hill bust out this year, they have a chance (albeit probably not a great one).

On defense, I like what I see in and hear about Gotsis. It's very hard to take a Sophomore, whose upside is somewhere in the range of 4th-7th rounds, and give a reasonable projection. I think you can say the same thing about Hunt-Days, although his body type is insane for a LB (6-3, 252). I think we've got enough size in the backfield that any number of those guys could be drafted.

Realistically I think we'll probably get 1-3 picks a year for the foreseeable future. I wouldn't read too much into this year though.

EDIT: Sims looked good when he came back from being hurt
 
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Legal Jacket said:
I'm going to go with Synjyn Days as a darkhorse candidate. He's 6-2, 225 and is probably the hardest runner on the team. If either he or Deon Hill bust out this year, they have a chance (albeit probably not a great one).
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I stopped reading after this statement. You lose credibility when you make comments like this. Wow.

Days has done nothing of note other than one run against Maryland. But people are still talking this guy up like he is a star. He's been in college for 3 years now and hasn't done anything. Where would he play at the next level?

Deon Hill is a non factor on this team. Him and Orwin were very similar prospects when they came out of high school. Same size and obviously coming out of the same HS. The difference is Orwin showed that he had ability as a true freshman and was productive as a sophomore.
 
SGA_Jacket said:
I stopped reading after this statement. You lose credibility when you make comments like this. Wow.

Days has done nothing of note other than one run against Maryland. But people are still talking this guy up like he is a star. He's been in college for 3 years now and hasn't done anything. Where would he play at the next level?

Deon Hill is a non factor on this team. Him and Orwin were very similar prospects when they came out of high school. Same size and obviously coming out of the same HS. The difference is Orwin showed that he had ability as a true freshman and was productive as a sophomore.
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First of all, let's look at the definition of "dark horse."

dark′ horse′
n.
1. a competitor that is relatively unknown or that wins unexpectedly

2. a usually little known contender (as in a racehorse) that makes an unexpectedly good showing

When I call him a "dark horse," what I'm saying is that despite everyone's current criticism of him I think he'll end up doing better than expected and have a chance at being drafted. If you extrapolate his last three games (each against relatively strong defenses) to 20 carries a game over 13 games, he'd have 1360 yards. Now, I don't expect him to run that often with our BB depth, but 1200 yards certainly isn't out of the question, nor is 10 TDs with our production (Sims had 4 in his injury shortened season last year even with Washington being a vulture). I'm sorry that you think its crazy, but a 6'0, 225 lb RB who just hit 1200 yards and 10 TDs in a BCS conference would get some attention.

What you forget to mention is that Orwin had surgery, a disappointing senior season, and didn't work out for any pro team. Those things hurt him significantly more than his freshman or sophomore years helped him.

As an aside, not sure where you "saw" his ability freshman year. He had 5 carries for 26 yards and 2 catches for 26 yards. Special teams play aside, he didn't get much of a look freshman year so its a bit of a fib to imply you saw his ability somehow.

More importantly, Orwin simply never had a great year. His best year he had 615 yards rushing. He never broke 700 yards rushing. He had more than 5 TDs rushing once. We think of him as a good receiving RB but he had less than 50 CAREER receptions.

In fact, Roddy Jones had more rushing yards his freshman year than Orwin Smith had at any one year in his career.

In sum, Deon Hill almost just needs to do the following to make himself a better candidate to be picked than Orwin:

Rush for 700+ yards

Not have surgery in the offseason before the draft

Participate in pro day workouts

Now, I don't want to imply that Orwin isn't a good prospect and I don't want to belittle his skills, because I think he is a better talent than either Sims or Days or Deon Hill.

But fact remains scouts want to see stats and have a what have you done for me lately attitude.
 
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