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33jacket

33jacket

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I'm sold on the PJ-train.

I think he will win here...it just won't be next year so people please practice patience. With our schedule 6-6 would be a solid year anything above will be AWESOME.

Really more and more I find out, more tape I see on him; he is legit...I have the remaining concern about consistently pulling in talent...but I am on board.

I am excited. Why is spring ball so far away...and PLEASE keep it open to the public.

In my heart of hearts, believe we have a coach that can win 9 games a year, year in and year out and be near 50% winning % vs UGA. I believe it....

Upping to a luxury box this year if possible..jump on the train.:biggthumpup:
 
33jacket said:
I'm sold on the PJ-train.

I think he will win here...it just won't be next year so people please practice patience. With our schedule 6-6 would be a solid year anything above will be AWESOME.

Really more and more I find out, more tape I see on him; he is legit...I have the remaining concern about consistently pulling in talent...but I am on board.

I am excited. Why is spring ball so far away...and PLEASE keep it open to the public.

In my heart of hearts, believe we have a coach that can win 9 games a year, year in and year out and be near 50% winning % vs UGA. I believe it....

Upping to a luxury box this year if possible..jump on the train.:biggthumpup:
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Glad you tried to temper what to expect next year, no matter what there is a transition period. If Tenuta were to stay, we are 50 percent into the transition only but, i doubt he will be here.
 
I am excited, but I think that he needs to either go to a bowl game or beat U[sic]GA in his first year or the fan base will become divided again. Maybe not to the extent of how Chan divided it, but you will start hearing people talk and seeing articles in the AJC about how it might have been a mistake to fire Chan. Fortunately our administration will be more levelheaded than that, but we would once again be looking at a divided fanbase, which is unfortunate.
 
we have the talent to do better than 6-6 next year... young talent that is...

next years schedule:

OOC:
@ UGA- they should be good next year
Miss. St.- they should be decent next year but we should be them athome
Jacksonville st.- thats a win (but anythings possible...see this football season all d upsets)
?

Conf.:
FSU- definetly not the same FSU team o'leary's teams used to face
BC- matty ice is gone.. he absolutely destroyed our secondary this year
Clemson- they are returning alot
UNC- they should b a team with bowl potential
Miami- they r awful
VT- they whole defense is gone after this year
UVA- they return some good people but thank god chris long will be gone.
Duke- duke is well... duke

we're losing alot also this uear but we have alot of talent... i see us possibly winning 8 games next year... maybe the ball will finallybounce our way for a change
 
The record is one thing, but I'll be looking at how well we compete every week. The records that Chan had aren't what had me so upset. It was how awful an unprepared we would look some Saturdays
 
gth816f said:
I am excited, but I think that he needs to either go to a bowl game or beat U[sic]GA in his first year or the fan base will become divided again. Maybe not to the extent of how Chan divided it, but you will start hearing people talk and seeing articles in the AJC about how it might have been a mistake to fire Chan. Fortunately our administration will be more levelheaded than that, but we would once again be looking at a divided fanbase, which is unfortunate.
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possibly. But outside maybe the top 10 programs in the country; which fanbase isn't divided?

I mean seriously. Think about it. Every program outside Pete Carrol, Urban, Tressel, Richt, Rodriguez, Beamer, Mack Brown(only until he won an NC), and a few others...has a fanbase that wants to fire their coach, wants to keep their coach and loves him, or is just in the middle.

That is the fact of sports and life.

I am not concerned about the fanbase; and most knowledgeable fans know it will take a couple years for him to have his system (which is very different) and have our players with experience (next year very young).
 
gtfan09 said:
we have the talent to do better than 6-6 next year... young talent that is...

next years schedule:

OOC:
@ UGA- they should be good next year
Miss. St.- they should be decent next year but we should be them athome
Jacksonville st.- thats a win (but anythings possible...see this football season all d upsets)
?

Conf.:
FSU- definetly not the same FSU team o'leary's teams used to face
BC- matty ice is gone.. he absolutely destroyed our secondary this year
Clemson- they are returning alot
UNC- they should b a team with bowl potential
Miami- they r awful
VT- they whole defense is gone after this year
UVA- they return some good people but thank god chris long will be gone.
Duke- duke is well... duke

we're losing alot also this uear but we have alot of talent... i see us possibly winning 8 games next year... maybe the ball will finallybounce our way for a change
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wow....
its @FSU
@ clemson
@ VT
@ BC
@ UGA

to me, that is 5 losses right there based on our team today.

UVA will be tough
Miss St will be tough
UNC will be tough

I never said we don't have the talent. I said we will be too young and too inexperienced in a new system to expect much past 6-6...MAYBE 7-5
 
ThomastonJacket said:
The record is one thing, but I'll be looking at how well we compete every week. The records that Chan had aren't what had me so upset. It was how awful an unprepared we would look some Saturdays
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Couldn't agree more.

I think it's *possible* we win 8 or 9 next season.

But, if we go 7-5 and play tough for 60 minutes every saturday next season then I'm ok. That sets the table for some gigantic success.

We lost too many games this year to lack of focus and unpreparedness. That is always laid at the feet of the HC.

I have a funny feeling that won't be a problem under PJ.
 
gth816f said:
I am excited, but I think that he needs to either go to a bowl game or beat U[sic]GA in his first year or the fan base will become divided again. Maybe not to the extent of how Chan divided it, but you will start hearing people talk and seeing articles in the AJC about how it might have been a mistake to fire Chan. Fortunately our administration will be more levelheaded than that, but we would once again be looking at a divided fanbase, which is unfortunate.
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Nah, people are always disappointed if we lose to ugag and if we don't have a winning record there will be gripes (but I do expect at least 7 wins again) but no one will be brining Chan up after they've seen what a real college coach can do no matter the outcome.
 
I agree with 33jacket. There will be a step back to start with but we'll likely be taking 2 steps forward either in year 2 or year 3.

There is definitely talent remaining but to maximize it next year, PJ will have mold his scheme to the players we have (built for pro-style offense) which I'm not concerned about but he'll also need 100% buy in from the players. That's the wild card.
 
jacketup said:
Did you watch the tape of Duke scoring 43 this year on Navy? Wake scoring 44 on Navy?
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I think it's easier to scheme around talent (or lack thereof) on offense than it is on defense. And we're clearly far more talented on defense than Navy.
 
ContactBuzz said:
I think it's easier to scheme around talent (or lack thereof) on offense than it is on defense. And we're clearly far more talented on defense than Navy.
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So you are saying that Div 1-AA Delaware is more talented than Navy? Navy scored 52 against Delaware. In a loss. This year.
 
jacketup said:
So you are saying that Div 1-AA Delaware is more talented than Navy? Navy scored 52 against Delaware. In a loss. This year.
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Quite possibly. I don't know much about Delaware but I do know it's not a military school. The football players at Delaware are football players first. Football is the 3rd priority at Navy behind service and academics.

And both schools (Delaware and Navy) have players that weren't accepted at any other d1-A school. Delaware beating Navy isn't in the same arena as App St beating Michigan.
 
The Jacket said:
And the first perpetually unhappy fan of the PJ Era emerges.
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We just hired a coach who:

1. Has no major college coaching experience, even as an assistant.

2. Coached the team that was ranked dead last in Div 1-A is passing offense, and by a wide margin.

3. Coached the 99th ranked team in total defense.

4. Lost to a Div 1-AA team this year.

5. Barely beat Duke, and was crushed by WF.

6. Runs an offense that no NFL caliber talent will want to play in.

7. Was crammed down the throat of our AD, which will have future repercussions.

Now, why am I supposed to happy? Given me some facts. Sorry that I am cannot act on irrational emotion like the rest of you.

But I was operating on facts and not emotion when I stated my doubts about Bennett after the Gator Bowl. That was swimming against the tide. Who was correct?

I also stated that our offense was in trouble after the Samford game, in which we scored 69 points. I caught crap for that too, but who was correct?

I operate on facts, and not emotion like most of the rest of you. Sorry that facts disturb your emotions.

As I said then with regard to Bennett, I hope that the rest of you are right about Johnson and I am wrong. But this is an incredibly risky hire, especially in light of the money and length of contract.

We will know more after he hires his staff and after the first Wednesday in February.
 
jacketup said:
We just hired a coach who:

1. Has no major college coaching experience, even as an assistant.

2. Coached the team that was ranked dead last in Div 1-A is passing offense, and by a wide margin.

3. Coached the 99th ranked team in total defense.

4. Lost to a Div 1-AA team this year.

5. Barely beat Duke, and was crushed by WF.

6. Runs an offense that no NFL caliber talent will want to play in.

7. Was crammed down the throat of our AD, which will have future repercussions.

Now, why am I supposed to happy? Given me some facts. Sorry that I am cannot act on irrational emotion like the rest of you.

But I was operating on facts and not emotion when I stated my doubts about Bennett after the Gator Bowl. That was swimming against the tide. Who was correct?

I also stated that our offense was in trouble after the Samford game, in which we scored 69 points. I caught crap for that too, but who was correct?

I operate on facts, and not emotion like most of the rest of you. Sorry that facts disturb your emotions.

As I said then with regard to Bennett, I hope that the rest of you are right about Johnson and I am wrong. But this is an incredibly risky hire, especially in light of the money and length of contract.

We will know more after he hires his staff and after the first Wednesday in February.
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You're not alone. i agree with you on all accounts, but it is what it is. all we can do now is give the guy a chance. But I really don't get the 7 year deal...seems like about 2 years too long. Better be a buyout in there.

It should also be noted that much of his success at Navy was due to watering down their schedule. Their previous coaches/teams played much tougher schedules.
 
jacketup said:
So you are saying that Div 1-AA Delaware is more talented than Navy? Navy scored 52 against Delaware. In a loss. This year.
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You should trying doing some research, or at least thinking about things, before puking on a message board. I'm not sure why you're bashing our new coach already, but I'll address your "point" and hope you eventually shut up.

Delaware does have more talent than Navy... in fact, they are something of a 1-AA powerhouse, have already won 10 games this year and play in the 1-AA semis tonight. The restrictions at Navy (not just talent-wise) are many, which I don't feel like going into but hopefully you can figure them out.

Secondly, Paul Johnson is an offensive coach, and will not be responsible for running the defense. It's not like he used broken schemes at Navy that he will bring here, and obviously the talent will be much better and we may or may not have the same DC.
 
jacketup said:
Did you watch the tape of Duke scoring 43 this year on Navy? Wake scoring 44 on Navy?
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LOL...its funny how people say how much PJ did with no talent, but the second their D sucks; people say how bad their scheme must be.

NOPE not scheme. Its freaking no speed size or talent on that side of the ball. Wake was better than Tech this year. Duke had a decent offense. BOTH are recruiting legit BCS athletes (well maybe duke isn't) but Duke is still better than Navy. You need athletes on D...they don't have any. Its not a scheme issue, besides PJ doesn't coach the D nor does he call the plays.

if someone points out the d as the weakness of PJ that is ridiculous. If someone can't recognize the fact Navy has zero athletes on that side of the ball that is ridiculous.

Yes he doesn't have any D1A BCS coaching experience; many haven't. Bobby bowden didn't before FSU.

did tressel?
did bobby johnson (he is doing damn well at a horrible school in vandy)
did Urban before he went to Utah and blast on the scene (well I guess he did in a positions roll at ND but not much)

Football is football. Schemes are schemes. What they try to run in 1AA is not different in most cases than 1A. They just don't have the athletes.

you can be mad at the hire, you have the right to that opinion. I recognize that, may not agree with you. You may be right, I may be right.

However, I think you should give him a chance.
 
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