OL better. Why?

[knoxjacket]

BOR that post about the Scout board was damn near perfect. Nice work.

 

[BarrelORum]

Oh, and you have no better idea of whether this group can be dominating than the guys on the Insider board you're calling out.

Kinda like I didn't have a clue about our recruiting being in the pitts rather than saying that we couldn't recruit the kids in Georgia because of academics.

Everything I said in my post regarding the overall impression of the people who post on the Insiders Board is correct. Don't get me wrong that board provides a wealth of information and is a wonderful board to read, but the opinions expressed on that board would get you laughed away from many a tailgate.

 

[GTTerrific]

Thanks, sounds like they get better over time working together. I thought it was more one on one. Each guy beating the man in front of him. This begs another question. How do OL's work together as a team? I'm pretty OL ignorant, I admit.

The Cheese

This is another excellent question for RM.

The biggest things OL's do to work together is communicate. When one does one things it effects what the other is suppose to do. A lot of that has to do with watching film, preperaton, and working together over time. I've heard working together over time has the biggest positive. Just knowing what your team mate is going to do. Trusting each other builds so much confidense!

Have to put a body on someone. Can't leave your team mate hanging. The best work so well together that they're forcing the issue on the D. Ever see a lineman point? He's clueing someone in on formation and tendency. Those guys have to communicate and work together.

Help me out here RM!! You've got the experience and know how! I just know enough to make myself look bad. ;)


GOOOO JACKETS!!!

 

[GEETEELEE]

These are the same Tech fans who think that any one word negative about the program could bring us into 10 year spiral of dire straights so they place large amounts of cover-up make-up on the problems to conceal them.

C'mon, BOR, you're painting with an awfully broad bruch. I believe there are a higher percentage of knowledgable people on Insiders than on other boards. But what I repeated wasn't being said by a group on that board - ONE person said it.

Our line is far from being the greatest line to ever play at Tech.

I never said such, nor meant to give that impression - I repeated what ONE person said who without question knows football and knows the coaches and players firsthand; this line has the most TALENT we've had on the O-line ever at Tech.

That's a long way from being the 'greatest line to ever play' and they have a long way to go to get there, but I believe that that assessment bodes well for the season and gives cause for optimism.

Your rant about the people on the Insider's could have been cut'n'pasted from BO - not only did you misconstrue what I said (most talent vs greatest line ever) you also trashed 90% of the people on that board in a particularly buzzoffish manner.

 

[ContactBuzz]

Kinda like I didn't have a clue about our recruiting being in the pitts rather than saying that we couldn't recruit the kids in Georgia because of academics.

Everything I said in my post regarding the overall impression of the people who post on the Insiders Board is correct. Don't get me wrong that board provides a wealth of information and is a wonderful board to read, but the opinions expressed on that board would get you laughed away from many a tailgate.

BOR, I will give you credit for not always following the party lines but I think you're wrong in this thread. I don't know if this lumps me in with those "insiders" that think you're not football savvy but that's neither here nor there.

When it comes to recruiting, there is supporting data to your opinion that recruiting has been down (however flawed the data may be). The only supporting data I've seen in this thread (relating to OL play because everyone played poorly) is contrary to your opinion - which, by the way, has only been supported by anecdotal info so far in your argument.

Edit: I'm certainly no insider but I know what I see - and that is significant improvment in OL play from game 1 to the UGA game (I'll throw the bowl game out). It's my opinion (without knowing anything that is said on the "insider" boards) that this OL will have the best mix of talent, depth & playing experience in the Gailey era. So far (much like the Auburn game) we've had to creatively scheme around it - I don't think we'll have to do that this year.

 

[refrigeratormover]

Within any team the key to winning is the OL, They have to work together on every play in unison. That's why it's one of the hardest positions to play.

I watched this group in the spring and while I won't say they will be great they do have the opportunity to make people stand up and take notice. These are some of the best looking/ Athletic kids I have seen at Tech in a long time. I thought Coach D did a great job this spring with techniques not that he cares what I think.

Also, People who think we will be or ever has been a smash mouth football team is mistaken. It's never happened and never will. Yes, you might have one line every 8 to 10 years but not on a consistent level.

I would much rather have an athletic line that can pull for traps, counters and bootlegs than have 5 fat guys that can't move five yards. Even the previous coach had lines that pulled and trapped consistently and never really played smash mouth football.

The object in my opinion is keeping the DL on their heels and with proper play calling and PROPER EXECUTION we should be successfull.

Only at the end of the season will we be able to determine how good this line is. Until then it would be nice to be positive about them at least until the season starts.

I for one will be making as many practices as possible and should have a better assessment before the ND game.

EDIT: The one important thing I did forget to mention is the success of the Offense does start with Reggie but there are 11 guys on the field, we need the number 2 and 3 receiver to step up make the field vertical and if that happens you will see 3 or 4 rec. having 50 + catch years.

REMEMBER IT'S A TEAM GAME. FEEL FREE TO CAST BLAME ON ONE OR TWO PEOPLE BUT ULTIMATELY ALL 11 HAVE TO EXECUTE TO WIN ON EVERY PLAY.

 

[hiveredtech]

Also, People who think we will be or ever has been a smash mouth football team is mistaken. It's never happened and never will. Yes, you might have one line every 8 to 10 years but not on a consistent level.

The last power offensive line I can remember would be '90 with Jenkins and Mooney on the ends. By late 3rd/early 4th qtr it seemed we would just roll over people and we rarely threw the ball at that point.

 

[BarrelORum]

BOR, I will give you credit for not always following the party lines but I think you're wrong in this thread.

Thanks, and I hope I am.

When it comes to recruiting, there is supporting data to your opinion that recruiting has been down (however flawed the data may be). The only supporting data I've seen in this thread (relating to OL play because everyone played poorly) is contrary to your opinion - which, by the way, has only been supported by anecdotal info so far in your argument.

The number of times Reggie was under pressure last year is not a matter of opinion. The amount of times our right guard was shoved into our backfield is not a matter of opinion. But like I said... I do think they improved a ton last year and I've said that before. They were a pleasant surprise last year instead of a total weakness. Our coaches took a weakness and made it a solid unit. I give them kudos for that. I expect better things this year from the OLine, but I just don't see them as having the talent to dominate opposing defensive lines. Do you??

That is all I'm saying. And my rant on the Insiders Board is justified for me. Anytime BOR makes a post on that board for anything he gets gang tackled and slammed repeatedly for being negative and incorrect. It gets ridiculous. But maybe its just me. I get a bad rap.

 

[BarrelORum]

I would much rather have an athletic line that can pull for traps, counters and bootlegs than have 5 fat guys that can't move five yards.

I don't know.... 5 fat guys who can move 5 yards is pretty tempting. You'd have a RB consistently carry the ball over 4 yards at least.

I grew up a huge Redskins fan and still am. In the 80's we had the Hogs, and at the time they were considered a HUGE line (they are probably undersized now as Joe Jacoby was 6-7" 290 lbs and Jeff Bostic was a 255 lb Center.)

They could bull rush defenders and play smash mouth ball, but they also were good at running traps and Counters. Hell Timmy Smith who was a 4th string RB came into the Super Bowl and set a rushing record in 1988 off of Joe Gibbs' infamous "Counter Trey". Dan Reeves should have been tarred and feathered for allowing that play to work over and over and over again without adjusting to it.

 

[refrigeratormover]

OK if you want that then will all the bitching and complaining stop about not having an innovative offense that can't do anything but run.

BOR, I'm not implying you are the one bitching by the way I'm just saying from what I read on this board everyone wants a huge dominating line that can pull and trap and give reggie 15 seconds and if that doesn't work then our play calling sucks.

I'm not defending Chan but we can't have it all. I'd say there aren't 5 teams in college that possess all those skills.

EDIT: If you go back and watch those teams of Gibbs they didn't play smash mouth, that's not his type of offense. They zoned blocked every time they didn't pull which wasn't much. I know I used to study their film because we were a pulling team and a zone blocking team as well and got a lot of our concept from those guys.

 

[Leatherjacket]

Thanks for that post, FridgeMover. It's always refreshing to read something from somebody who's "been there, done that".