Ole Miss view of GT

One could make the argument that Dodd was more bad than good for Tech
Meh, I think that angle is a little overplayed. GT's academics/culture were always going to have us trending this way, we were never going to have a path forward after the old-timey era when we could compete ended; maybe staying in the SEC keeps us a little more relevant in the 70's and 80's but there was no staying power. Our SEC sister schools were probably Tulane and Vanderbilt and...yeah. Clemson, FSU, Miami, etc have all done fine without the SEC and being in the SEC has done nothing for Arkansas/the Mississippi schools/Vanderbilt/Missouri/South Carolina/Kentucky
 
Meh, I think that angle is a little overplayed. GT's academics/culture were always going to have us trending this way, we were never going to have a path forward after the old-timey era when we could compete ended; maybe staying in the SEC keeps us a little more relevant in the 70's and 80's but there was no staying power. Our SEC sister schools were probably Tulane and Vanderbilt and...yeah. Clemson, FSU, Miami, etc have all done fine without the SEC and being in the SEC has done nothing for Arkansas/the Mississippi schools/Vanderbilt/Missouri/South Carolina/Kentucky
Except giving those schools firm financial stability which we currently lack. The supersonic growth of Atlanta in the 70's and 80's, coupled with Tech being in the premier conference in the country, might've given Tech the upper hand that those schools didn't have and changed our fortunes. Getting out of the SEC under such weak circumstances, along with running the whole athletic department into the ground in the 70's as AD, might've done more long term damage to Tech than all the good he did as coach.
 
Except giving those schools firm financial stability which we currently lack. The supersonic growth of Atlanta in the 70's and 80's, coupled with Tech being in the premier conference in the country, might've given Tech the upper hand that those schools didn't have and changed our fortunes. Getting out of the SEC under such weak circumstances, along with running the whole athletic department into the ground in the 70's as AD, might've done more long term damage to Tech than all the good he did as coach.

Nah this is wishful thinking. Being in the SEC was never going to change two things:

1. GT being completely overshadowed by the Falcons and other pro sports teams, as is the case with every other program located in a major city. USC is the ONLY city school to maintain some semblance of a fanbase and even theirs is marginal. Pitt, Tulane, Miami, UCLA, Minnesota, and Northwestern/Boston College (to the extent that those two could be classified as city schools) all fell off a cliff in the modern era and have small-to-mediocre fanbases.

2. GT becoming increasingly academically prestigious with a student body composed heavily of international students and people with little-to-no ties to Georgia or the south (myself included).

Our fanbase was destined to shrink, we were never going to compete with the Falcons for the attention of people who didn't attend GT, and we were never going to get in the mud to compete with the LSUs and Auburns of the world. Our program was always staring down a rapidly-approaching expiration date that Dodd may have just hastened.
 
Nah this is wishful thinking. Being in the SEC was never going to change two things:

1. GT being completely overshadowed by the Falcons and other pro sports teams, as is the case with every other program located in a major city. USC is the ONLY city school to maintain some semblance of a fanbase and even theirs is marginal. Pitt, Tulane, Miami, UCLA, Minnesota, and Northwestern/Boston College (to the extent that those two could be classified as city schools) all fell off a cliff in the modern era and have small-to-mediocre fanbases.

The Falcons choked...Matty Ice was a flat Beer

2. GT becoming increasingly academically prestigious with a student body composed heavily of international students and people with little-to-no ties to Georgia or the south (myself included).

Maybe we need to recruit international....Gotsis?(CPJ)

Our fanbase was destined to shrink, we were never going to compete with the Falcons for the attention of people who didn't attend GT, and we were never going to get in the mud to compete with the LSUs and Auburns of the world. Our program was always staring down a rapidly-approaching expiration date that Dodd may have just hastened.

Dodd was a great coach and believed in the student Athlete.
 
Holy öööö did you guys know Ole Miss is just Mississippi? There is no Ole in their name at all. It is just something they made up. Dumbest öööö I ever heard in my life.
 
One could make the argument that Dodd was more bad than good for Tech
Only a foolish person would even ATTEMPT to make such an absurd argument! Unfortunately, Tech has a great deal of knuckleheads for a fan base. Bobby Dodd gave us a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP in football in 1952! Tech was 12-0 that season and beat an #7 Ole MISSY team 24-7 in the Sugar Bowl. We actually were voted as National Champions in 1951 by some publications when Coach Dodd lead the Jackets to a 11-0-1 season. Tech should claim the 51' Title, no one beat us that year.

From 1951 to 1956 Tech WON 6 STRAIGHT BOWL GAMES, which included the Orange Bowl (1951 season), the Sugar Bowl (1952 season), the Sugar Bowl (1953 season), The Cotton Bowl (1954 Season), The Sugar Bowl (1955 Season) and Gator Bowl (1956 Season). By the way, the least prestigious of the bowls during that stretch was the Gator Bowl. And Tech's record in 1956 was 10-1! Just for those those 6 seasons by themselves no other Tech coach since Dodd comes close to that success! He also lead the Jackets to victory in the 1948 Orange Bowl. Coach Dodd was 9-4 in bowl games. No other Tech coach has a bowl record that compares to that. Bobby Dodd is one of a few who is in both the College Football Hall of Fame as both a player and as a coach.

But most importantly, Bobby Dodd was a good person. The man had principles that many in the stinking SEC lacked (Just as they do today). For instance, regarding Coach Dodd pulling Tech out of the SEC (which so many of our fans love to bash Dodd for doing) was actually a decision made for the betterment of all athletes in the SEC. I'm sure many of our fan base haven't a clue on why Coach Dodd pulled us out of the SEC and how some prominent, but unethical scoundrels didn't back him. Coach Dodd pulled Tech out of the SEC after the 1963 season due to the 140 rule, which allowed schools to "over-recruit".


"The 140 Rule stated a college program could only have 140 football and basketball players on scholarship at any one time, but the teams were still allowed to sign up to 45 players a year..." However, Dodd would sign about 30–32 football players a year to meet the guidelines, but the other schools in the SEC were offering 45 scholarships a year. Many SEC schools would "Stockpile" players so other schools couldn't play them. Then if that coach deemed the player not good enough to fall under the 140 Rule they would withdrawal their scholarship. Dodd believed this wasn't fair to the player that had been given a scholarship. Therefore, Coach Dodd did not allow any of his players to be dismissed from the team and lose their scholarship just because they were not considered among the best players. Coach Dodd said, "It is not the recruit's fault for not making the squad, it was the coaches' fault for misjudging their talents." "If a recruit came to Tech, he would stay on a football scholarship until he graduated."

Bobby Dodd asked the SEC to limit the amount of scholarships to about 32 per year. In so doing, this would have prevented schools from offering 45 scholarships (where they could cherrypick the best and withdrawal the scholarships from the rest). Coach Dodd made it clear if the SEC didn't change the 140 Rule he would pull Tech out of the SEC. "Bear Bryant had promised Dodd he would get his president to vote for Dodd's position, which would have changed the rule. When the meeting was held on January 24, 1964, the Alabama president voted against Dodd's position and the 140 Rule was upheld when the presidents split 6–6. Tech's president immediately walked to the podium and announced Tech was withdrawing from the SEC." So Coach Dodd again demonstrated integrity, which Bear Bryant failed to show.

In 1954, Coach Dodd said that football with all it's thrills and everything that makes it great that there was one thing that was most important of all and that was "the boy who plays it." He lived by that with his actions. That's why his players would go threw a brick wall for him. Therefore, Bobby Dodd was much more GOOD for Georgia Tech than bad!

GO JACKETS! And may our fans learn and celebrate our schools history instead of running it down. Hell, for decades UGA has produced journalism majors that have run us down in the press. Then, we got our own fans doing the same. Sad.
 
Holy öööö did you guys know Ole Miss is just Mississippi? There is no Ole in their name at all. It is just something they made up. Dumbest öööö I ever heard in my life.
I've talked to multiple hispanic folks who thought it was Olé Miss. Gave me a chuckle every time.
 
Except giving those schools firm financial stability which we currently lack. The supersonic growth of Atlanta in the 70's and 80's, coupled with Tech being in the premier conference in the country, might've given Tech the upper hand that those schools didn't have and changed our fortunes. Getting out of the SEC under such weak circumstances, along with running the whole athletic department into the ground in the 70's as AD, might've done more long term damage to Tech than all the good he did as coach.
WGAF about financial stabiity when you're rolling out year after year of 7th place 5-6 SEC finishes? öööö that. Winning isn't everything - it's the ONLY thing. For all their "financial stability" Vanderbilt football sucks donkey dongs.
 
You may want to look at his record, brother. Tech football was put on the map largely because of what he did.
Yes he did and was a great man as well. But he was a poor AD and left the AA in pretty bad shape.
 
WGAF about financial stabiity when you're rolling out year after year of 7th place 5-6 SEC finishes? öööö that. Winning isn't everything - it's the ONLY thing. For all their "financial stability" Vanderbilt football sucks donkey dongs.
So what you're saying is that we would've been equal to Vandy for the last 60 years? I don't believe that for a second. Before we left we were one of the top programs historically in the SEC and we could've continued to be in the upper half through the 60's and maybe the 70's. Our facilities wouldn't have been nearly as decrepit in the late 70's as we would've have a more reliable revenue source via the SEC rather than being independent. The ONLY reason we still have D1 athletics at Tech is because of Homer Rice because Dodd was such a failure as an AD. Currently would've had higher attendance playing an SEC schedule rather than an ACC schedule due to the amount of SEC alumni in Atlanta and our AA might actually be in a position to buy out crappy coaches instead of having them hang around due to financial constraints.
 
This isn't new news... Will the SEC include GT, if they do form the mega-super conference??? Probably not.. Not sure what we really have to offer, other than we are in Atlanta. We don't have a high rated team. We don't have a super large fan pool. We don't have the same fan base, as the schools the SEC would want. I really don't see anything that we could bring to the table.
 
This isn't new news... Will the SEC include GT, if they do form the mega-super conference??? Probably not.. Not sure what we really have to offer, other than we are in Atlanta. We don't have a high rated team. We don't have a super large fan pool. We don't have the same fan base, as the schools the SEC would want. I really don't see anything that we could bring to the table.
We are more like Tulane than we are Alabama, Florida, LSU, Oklahoma. I agree that we really don't bring anything to the table.
 
We are more like Tulane than we are Alabama, Florida, LSU, Oklahoma. I agree that we really don't bring anything to the table.
This is a little harsh. Even if we don't get our act together from a coaching and funding perspective (and we've gotten our act together sporadically over the years, so that's not a given going forward) we give many SEC teams an attractive destination and easy trip for away games and some semblance of regional rivalry interest. Add in a desire to keep potential Big Ten games out of Atlanta (assuming the ACC is raided and we latch onto that life raft) and I'd say we will definitely be on the SEC's radar if they expand by another 8 or more teams. There aren't that many no-brainer national college football brands available out there.
 
Only a foolish person would even ATTEMPT to make such an absurd argument! Unfortunately, Tech has a great deal of knuckleheads for a fan base. Bobby Dodd gave us a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP in football in 1952! Tech was 12-0 that season and beat an #7 Ole MISSY team 24-7 in the Sugar Bowl. We actually were voted as National Champions in 1951 by some publications when Coach Dodd lead the Jackets to a 11-0-1 season. Tech should claim the 51' Title, no one beat us that year.

From 1951 to 1956 Tech WON 6 STRAIGHT BOWL GAMES, which included the Orange Bowl (1951 season), the Sugar Bowl (1952 season), the Sugar Bowl (1953 season), The Cotton Bowl (1954 Season), The Sugar Bowl (1955 Season) and Gator Bowl (1956 Season). By the way, the least prestigious of the bowls during that stretch was the Gator Bowl. And Tech's record in 1956 was 10-1! Just for those those 6 seasons by themselves no other Tech coach since Dodd comes close to that success! He also lead the Jackets to victory in the 1948 Orange Bowl. Coach Dodd was 9-4 in bowl games. No other Tech coach has a bowl record that compares to that. Bobby Dodd is one of a few who is in both the College Football Hall of Fame as both a player and as a coach.

But most importantly, Bobby Dodd was a good person. The man had principles that many in the stinking SEC lacked (Just as they do today). For instance, regarding Coach Dodd pulling Tech out of the SEC (which so many of our fans love to bash Dodd for doing) was actually a decision made for the betterment of all athletes in the SEC. I'm sure many of our fan base haven't a clue on why Coach Dodd pulled us out of the SEC and how some prominent, but unethical scoundrels didn't back him. Coach Dodd pulled Tech out of the SEC after the 1963 season due to the 140 rule, which allowed schools to "over-recruit".


"The 140 Rule stated a college program could only have 140 football and basketball players on scholarship at any one time, but the teams were still allowed to sign up to 45 players a year..." However, Dodd would sign about 30–32 football players a year to meet the guidelines, but the other schools in the SEC were offering 45 scholarships a year. Many SEC schools would "Stockpile" players so other schools couldn't play them. Then if that coach deemed the player not good enough to fall under the 140 Rule they would withdrawal their scholarship. Dodd believed this wasn't fair to the player that had been given a scholarship. Therefore, Coach Dodd did not allow any of his players to be dismissed from the team and lose their scholarship just because they were not considered among the best players. Coach Dodd said, "It is not the recruit's fault for not making the squad, it was the coaches' fault for misjudging their talents." "If a recruit came to Tech, he would stay on a football scholarship until he graduated."

Bobby Dodd asked the SEC to limit the amount of scholarships to about 32 per year. In so doing, this would have prevented schools from offering 45 scholarships (where they could cherrypick the best and withdrawal the scholarships from the rest). Coach Dodd made it clear if the SEC didn't change the 140 Rule he would pull Tech out of the SEC. "Bear Bryant had promised Dodd he would get his president to vote for Dodd's position, which would have changed the rule. When the meeting was held on January 24, 1964, the Alabama president voted against Dodd's position and the 140 Rule was upheld when the presidents split 6–6. Tech's president immediately walked to the podium and announced Tech was withdrawing from the SEC." So Coach Dodd again demonstrated integrity, which Bear Bryant failed to show.

In 1954, Coach Dodd said that football with all it's thrills and everything that makes it great that there was one thing that was most important of all and that was "the boy who plays it." He lived by that with his actions. That's why his players would go threw a brick wall for him. Therefore, Bobby Dodd was much more GOOD for Georgia Tech than bad!

GO JACKETS! And may our fans learn and celebrate our schools history instead of running it down. Hell, for decades UGA has produced journalism majors that have run us down in the press. Then, we got our own fans doing the same. Sad.
Now talk about his role as AD and the road that lead us down.
 

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Tech refused for years to play a game in the state of Mississippi, so I never blamed Ole Miss and Mississippi for not supporting our bid to rejoin the league. Georgia said it would leave the SEC, if the SEC took Tech back. So, nobody was surprised by its vote against us, either. But, Auburn, which paid a lot of its athletic bills by playing a game at Grant Field against us every season for a long time and which reportedly promised to vote to let us back in the SEC, has always been the villain in my opinion. I say "To Hell With Georgia!" all the time, and I mean it. But, in my opinion, Auburn is the reason we didn't get back in the SEC. So, I should dislike Auburn more than I dislike Georgia, I guess.

Similarly, on the recruiting rules vote that led to Tech leaving the SEC, Alabama promised to vote with us, then failed to do so. So, if Alabama had voted the way it said it was going to on that rule, we would have never left the SEC. Therefore, Alabama and Auburn are the two schools that I will always feel like led to Tech not being in the SEC.

But, that's spilled milk and not worth crying over. We are lucky to be in the ACC. If we ever get back to the top of that conference, which we are fortunate to be in, we will be fine.
During the 40s-60s and even after that, the Mississippi schools had such jokes for facilities, they played many of their games in Jackson. Maybe Dodd was somewhat arrogant in that respect, but he saw no point in playing them. People need to be careful believing things like this kid posted as being the Gospel
 
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