OMG - Postgame Thread

Alright, time to talk about how we actually played though. A few thoughts:
1) Brent Key's presser he makes some confusing comments about it coming down to a 4th down. It didn't. He also says 23-17 was the score when referencing the XP. Do we have a problem with our coach having game awareness too? Even discrediting those notes as pure excitement, my general takeaway was that he was happy with the team's performance in the game and what we're capable of as if it's a goal to be just good enough to hang around with the #17 team in the nation and get lucky at the end because their coach is an idiot. I may be old school here, but I think a head coach's number 1 job is to demand perfection from his team. We were far from perfect in this game.
2) I am not a fan of punting on third down which is effectively what we did with the ultra conservative play calling in 3rd and long situations. I get that 3rd and 8+ is low percentage, but if you're going to run at least disguise a pass threat to run a draw or something similar. We might as well have actually sent the punt team out to get them to burn a timeout in confusion.
3) holding #2
4) I don't know what we tweaked mid 3rd quarter or if it was just their DL getting tired, but it's amazing how much simpler the game is when your OL can cut off the backside DL and actually open up a run lane. Their LBs were still good enough to make quick contact, but we actually ended up creating lanes there at the end. Good on Jamal Haynes to bring the truck and get into the end zone.
5) I don't know what has happened to our passing game. Camera angles aren't great to see if route combos have changed in some way, but generally we aren't getting receivers running wide ass open the last 2 games like we were in the first 4. The pass was what opened up the run the first 4, so intuitively it seems defenses are dropping more in coverage and daring us to run the ball and we can't. There were multiple instances where we got stuffed against a 5 or 6 man box in 12 personnel.
6) We're shooting ourselves in the foot when we run RPO. Blowing assignments, early snaps, ball slipping out of the hands on the pass.
7) We're much improved pass blocking over last year, but gave them so inexcusable free lanes to the QB tonight.
8) 454-250, 35:26-24:34 --- we had NO business winning this game. We never seem to get undeserved wins so I'm glad we got one, but we need to call a spade a spade. We won this game because Miami turned the ball over 5 times.
9) The defense kept points off the board because of 5 turnovers. That's exactly what happened at WF. This isn't a sustainable recipe for defensive success. We've got to be better than 450+ yds on defense if we want to win any more games this year.
10) Defensively we were super vanilla which I'm ok with given the circumstances. I thought we did a better job at giving our guys assignments that allowed them to keep the offensive plays in front of them and then rally to the ball. I think BC is going to punish us if we keep it vanilla.
11) Whatever we saw on film that told us to let the corners sink after 2 seconds was great scouting. TVD was bewildered for a while.
12) call of the game was the double a gap blitz where our DL all fired out and opened up the gaps for the LBs. Well executed, simple play call in the perfect situation. Limited them to 3 pts when they'd been driving.
12) LOS was really sliding backwards on us for 2.5 quarters and Miami could run for 5 yards a pop at will. I don't know why they didn't. I guess they got impatient. That's stupid.
13) 288 passing yards, but 3 picks... mixed bag for our DBs if we're being honest
14) The refs helped us out. That could've gone very differently. They missed some blatant holding calls on a couple of our big plays, gave us timely penalties to extend our drives and kill Miami momentum, and the two reviews at the end standing. I think we all know that these things don't normally go our way.

Overall, I'm ecstatic we won. We were pests that hung around in an ugly ugly game and when the ball bounced our way with a stroke of luck (Miami stupidity), we took advantage of it. I think we have a lot of room for improvement and I don't want our team to get a big head about a lucky win.
 
I still think the Jasper Sanks play led the imaginary PI make-up call years later when Brooking was playing that cost us a W. Does anyone remember?
 
Tampa Jacket said:
I still think the Jasper Sanks play led the imaginary PI make-up call years later when Brooking was playing that cost us a W. Does anyone remember?
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If you watched that game you're never forgetting that call.
 
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BainbridgeJacket said:
Alright, time to talk about how we actually played though. A few thoughts:
1) Brent Key's presser he makes some confusing comments about it coming down to a 4th down. It didn't. He also says 23-17 was the score when referencing the XP. Do we have a problem with our coach having game awareness too? Even discrediting those notes as pure excitement, my general takeaway was that he was happy with the team's performance in the game and what we're capable of as if it's a goal to be just good enough to hang around with the #17 team in the nation and get lucky at the end because their coach is an idiot. I may be old school here, but I think a head coach's number 1 job is to demand perfection from his team. We were far from perfect in this game.
2) I am not a fan of punting on third down which is effectively what we did with the ultra conservative play calling in 3rd and long situations. I get that 3rd and 8+ is low percentage, but if you're going to run at least disguise a pass threat to run a draw or something similar. We might as well have actually sent the punt team out to get them to burn a timeout in confusion.
3) holding #2
4) I don't know what we tweaked mid 3rd quarter or if it was just their DL getting tired, but it's amazing how much simpler the game is when your OL can cut off the backside DL and actually open up a run lane. Their LBs were still good enough to make quick contact, but we actually ended up creating lanes there at the end. Good on Jamal Haynes to bring the truck and get into the end zone.
5) I don't know what has happened to our passing game. Camera angles aren't great to see if route combos have changed in some way, but generally we aren't getting receivers running wide ass open the last 2 games like we were in the first 4. The pass was what opened up the run the first 4, so intuitively it seems defenses are dropping more in coverage and daring us to run the ball and we can't. There were multiple instances where we got stuffed against a 5 or 6 man box in 12 personnel.
6) We're shooting ourselves in the foot when we run RPO. Blowing assignments, early snaps, ball slipping out of the hands on the pass.
7) We're much improved pass blocking over last year, but gave them so inexcusable free lanes to the QB tonight.
8) 454-250, 35:26-24:34 --- we had NO business winning this game. We never seem to get undeserved wins so I'm glad we got one, but we need to call a spade a spade. We won this game because Miami turned the ball over 5 times.
9) The defense kept points off the board because of 5 turnovers. That's exactly what happened at WF. This isn't a sustainable recipe for defensive success. We've got to be better than 450+ yds on defense if we want to win any more games this year.
10) Defensively we were super vanilla which I'm ok with given the circumstances. I thought we did a better job at giving our guys assignments that allowed them to keep the offensive plays in front of them and then rally to the ball. I think BC is going to punish us if we keep it vanilla.
11) Whatever we saw on film that told us to let the corners sink after 2 seconds was great scouting. TVD was bewildered for a while.
12) call of the game was the double a gap blitz where our DL all fired out and opened up the gaps for the LBs. Well executed, simple play call in the perfect situation. Limited them to 3 pts when they'd been driving.
12) LOS was really sliding backwards on us for 2.5 quarters and Miami could run for 5 yards a pop at will. I don't know why they didn't. I guess they got impatient. That's stupid.
13) 288 passing yards, but 3 picks... mixed bag for our DBs if we're being honest
14) The refs helped us out. That could've gone very differently. They missed some blatant holding calls on a couple of our big plays, gave us timely penalties to extend our drives and kill Miami momentum, and the two reviews at the end standing. I think we all know that these things don't normally go our way.

Overall, I'm ecstatic we won. We were pests that hung around in an ugly ugly game and when the ball bounced our way with a stroke of luck (Miami stupidity), we took advantage of it. I think we have a lot of room for improvement and I don't want our team to get a big head about a lucky win.
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I've really started looking forward to your post-game analyses. I don't say this often but you should start your own threads!

You pretty much hit on everything I'm concerned about, and then some.
 
BainbridgeJacket said:
Alright, time to talk about how we actually played though. A few thoughts:
1) Brent Key's presser he makes some confusing comments about it coming down to a 4th down. It didn't. He also says 23-17 was the score when referencing the XP. Do we have a problem with our coach having game awareness too? Even discrediting those notes as pure excitement, my general takeaway was that he was happy with the team's performance in the game and what we're capable of as if it's a goal to be just good enough to hang around with the #17 team in the nation and get lucky at the end because their coach is an idiot. I may be old school here, but I think a head coach's number 1 job is to demand perfection from his team. We were far from perfect in this game.
2) I am not a fan of punting on third down which is effectively what we did with the ultra conservative play calling in 3rd and long situations. I get that 3rd and 8+ is low percentage, but if you're going to run at least disguise a pass threat to run a draw or something similar. We might as well have actually sent the punt team out to get them to burn a timeout in confusion.
3) holding #2
4) I don't know what we tweaked mid 3rd quarter or if it was just their DL getting tired, but it's amazing how much simpler the game is when your OL can cut off the backside DL and actually open up a run lane. Their LBs were still good enough to make quick contact, but we actually ended up creating lanes there at the end. Good on Jamal Haynes to bring the truck and get into the end zone.
5) I don't know what has happened to our passing game. Camera angles aren't great to see if route combos have changed in some way, but generally we aren't getting receivers running wide ass open the last 2 games like we were in the first 4. The pass was what opened up the run the first 4, so intuitively it seems defenses are dropping more in coverage and daring us to run the ball and we can't. There were multiple instances where we got stuffed against a 5 or 6 man box in 12 personnel.
6) We're shooting ourselves in the foot when we run RPO. Blowing assignments, early snaps, ball slipping out of the hands on the pass.
7) We're much improved pass blocking over last year, but gave them so inexcusable free lanes to the QB tonight.
8) 454-250, 35:26-24:34 --- we had NO business winning this game. We never seem to get undeserved wins so I'm glad we got one, but we need to call a spade a spade. We won this game because Miami turned the ball over 5 times.
9) The defense kept points off the board because of 5 turnovers. That's exactly what happened at WF. This isn't a sustainable recipe for defensive success. We've got to be better than 450+ yds on defense if we want to win any more games this year.
10) Defensively we were super vanilla which I'm ok with given the circumstances. I thought we did a better job at giving our guys assignments that allowed them to keep the offensive plays in front of them and then rally to the ball. I think BC is going to punish us if we keep it vanilla.
11) Whatever we saw on film that told us to let the corners sink after 2 seconds was great scouting. TVD was bewildered for a while.
12) call of the game was the double a gap blitz where our DL all fired out and opened up the gaps for the LBs. Well executed, simple play call in the perfect situation. Limited them to 3 pts when they'd been driving.
12) LOS was really sliding backwards on us for 2.5 quarters and Miami could run for 5 yards a pop at will. I don't know why they didn't. I guess they got impatient. That's stupid.
13) 288 passing yards, but 3 picks... mixed bag for our DBs if we're being honest
14) The refs helped us out. That could've gone very differently. They missed some blatant holding calls on a couple of our big plays, gave us timely penalties to extend our drives and kill Miami momentum, and the two reviews at the end standing. I think we all know that these things don't normally go our way.

Overall, I'm ecstatic we won. We were pests that hung around in an ugly ugly game and when the ball bounced our way with a stroke of luck (Miami stupidity), we took advantage of it. I think we have a lot of room for improvement and I don't want our team to get a big head about a lucky win.
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1) That confused me, too.
2) Agree, we get in 3rd and long far too often. IMPO, it is because we waste too many 1st downs on plays that we don't seem to execute well.
3) ??? Since you mention holding, our OL is improved, however it cannot hold the pocket long enough. You want about 4 counts, but King is often fleeing at about 3, if not sooner. Part of it is I think King needs work on his presence in the pocket. Hasselbeck pointed this out several times during the game that he needs to "climb the pocket," stepping up to get a clearer view of the field and also see running opportunities (which abound for him, IMPO).
4) Our OL has been inconsistent sealing the backside. Agreed that sealing the backside can open a nice cut-back lane for the back that can see it. Speaking of which, I don't think our #0 has real good vision. He misses those lanes too often while dancing around.
5) I've watched the same things, and think they're still running decent routes, but the D's we've faced seem to be either in the DB, or are blitzing more to disrupt timing.
6) Too many mistakes.
7) See #4.
8) Turnovers lose games. The D in 2014 helped win a lot of games via TO's.
9) See #8.
10) The D played much more aggressively on Saturday evening, much like the Wake game. The DL gapped much more and the LB's were much more active sealing running lanes. Miami per-game yardage has averaged 58% passing, 42% rushing. Saturday they were 64% passing, 36% rushing. This may be due to your observation of our DB playing to keep things in front and then aggressively attacking the receiver.
11) Agreed.
12) Miami was stupid. I actually think the BG loss helped us there. Miami was looking past us, IMPO.
13) This was the plan, I do believe. Deep zone and attack the ball. Van Dyke didn't have his most accurate night, but our guys jumped routes a couple of times. Was TVD telegraphing? Did the scouts pick up something? Was it the rain and the slippery ball?
14) I thought the refs were consistent. That's about all you can ask these days.
 
I like our RB's, but we also need a big, PJ Daniels/Jonathan Dwyer/Dedrick Mills type back. Hell, we might be undefeated right now with any back like those three.

We need Jordan Williams back.

We need Lane back. I hope to God he isn't slowed because of whatever injury he has. Would like to see if Blackburn can come back and contribute. He was supposed to be a difference maker.

Get the defense 100% healthy.

We should have plenty of film and a good plan ready to curb stomp BC.
 
stinger78 said:
1) That confused me, too.
2) Agree, we get in 3rd and long far too often. IMPO, it is because we waste too many 1st downs on plays that we don't seem to execute well.
3) ??? Since you mention holding, our OL is improved, however it cannot hold the pocket long enough. You want about 4 counts, but King is often fleeing at about 3, if not sooner. Part of it is I think King needs work on his presence in the pocket. Hasselbeck pointed this out several times during the game that he needs to "climb the pocket," stepping up to get a clearer view of the field and also see running opportunities (which abound for him, IMPO).
4) Our OL has been inconsistent sealing the backside. Agreed that sealing the backside can open a nice cut-back lane for the back that can see it. Speaking of which, I don't think our #0 has real good vision. He misses those lanes too often while dancing around.
5) I've watched the same things, and think they're still running decent routes, but the D's we've faced seem to be either in the DB, or are blitzing more to disrupt timing.
6) Too many mistakes.
7) See #4.
8) Turnovers lose games. The D in 2014 helped win a lot of games via TO's.
9) See #8.
10) The D played much more aggressively on Saturday evening, much like the Wake game. The DL gapped much more and the LB's were much more active sealing running lanes. Miami per-game yardage has averaged 58% passing, 42% rushing. Saturday they were 64% passing, 36% rushing. This may be due to your observation of our DB playing to keep things in front and then aggressively attacking the receiver.
11) Agreed.
12) Miami was stupid. I actually think the BG loss helped us there. Miami was looking past us, IMPO.
13) This was the plan, I do believe. Deep zone and attack the ball. Van Dyke didn't have his most accurate night, but our guys jumped routes a couple of times. Was TVD telegraphing? Did the scouts pick up something? Was it the rain and the slippery ball?
14) I thought the refs were consistent. That's about all you can ask these days.
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Clearly J Williams is needed back dearly. We're actually able to run block a little better with him at guard. Without him the OL is awful and weak at the point of attack. Their pass blocking has been ok but now teams are starting to stack the box with 7 and 8 and also blitzing us because our run game has been so ineffective as of late. I think part of the reason we started moving the ball was the QB taking advantage of overpursuing DLs.
 
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