On the concept of being positive

[BarrelORum]

I am sorry but whenever I hear the cliche "great fit for Georgia Tech" I translate : "like Gailey, Curry, Rodgers" because we as a fan base will look past 1-9-1 if the coach is a good fit. We will accept going to the Smurf Bowl if we just keep the bowl string alive; we will accept last night as a tough loss and move on if the coach is a good fit for Tech. I have, maybe not here, but elsewhere, acknowledged that, having seen CPJ in action, he is the better choice than Muschamp (or Neuhisel). But I also have said and still believe that the benchmark for our coach, good fit or not, is 10 wins in a season. Right now that is a pipe dream---for this year or next.

Dude, shut the **** up. We went 9-4 last year beat UGA and went to the Peach Bowl with a first year coach running an entirely different offense. No one is accepting 1-9-1.

Stop thinking that you are talking to 3rd graders with a peewee league knowledge of football and you can convince them to buy your unimaginitive weak arguments with no basis of fact.

We went 9-4 better than any year Gailey produced and the 3rd best record we've had since 1990. Christ, who the **** are you trying to sway to your view point? Hasheeb who runs the convenient store? You need to produce better arguments, otherwise you'll continue to be a joke. Most of these people including me ARE actually connected to the program AND have insider information AND actually played the sport, AND Donate a lot of money, AND have season tickets, AND watch a lot of football. We require more than someone whose still trying to get over the fact that he was wrong the 20 times before now and somehow trying to build up his credibility by talking a bunch of worthless bull****.

You're an embaressment.

 

[MoverofFridge2]

Dude, shut the **** up. We went 9-4 last year beat UGA and went to the Peach Bowl with a first year coach running an entirely different offense. No one is accepting 1-9-1.

Stop thinking that you are talking to 3rd graders with a peewee league knowledge of football and you can convince them to buy your unimaginitive weak arguments with no basis of fact.

We went 9-4 better than any year Gailey produced and the 3rd best record we've had since 1990. Christ, who the **** are you trying to sway to your view point? Hasheeb who runs the convenient store? You need to produce better arguments, otherwise you'll continue to be a joke. Most of these people including me ARE actually connected to the program AND have insider information AND actually played the sport, AND Donate a lot of money, AND have season tickets, AND watch a lot of football. We require more than someone whose still trying to get over the fact that he was wrong the 20 times before now and somehow trying to build up his credibility by talking a bunch of worthless bull****.

You're an embaressment.

BOR,
You drinking again tonight sir?

BTW, I think I am heading to Savannah for anniversary, we gonna have a drink while there? Who buys? Who brings the cigars?

 

[floridajacket]

I am sorry but whenever I hear the cliche "great fit for Georgia Tech" I translate : "like Gailey, Curry, Rodgers" because we as a fan base will look past 1-9-1 if the coach is a good fit. We will accept going to the Smurf Bowl if we just keep the bowl string alive; we will accept last night as a tough loss and move on if the coach is a good fit for Tech. I have, maybe not here, but elsewhere, acknowledged that, having seen CPJ in action, he is the better choice than Muschamp (or Neuhisel). But I also have said and still believe that the benchmark for our coach, good fit or not, is 10 wins in a season. Right now that is a pipe dream---for this year or next.

Your arguments just seem to be getting more and more wrong. I guess we fired Bill Lewis out of some sort of spite of him not being a "good fit," not for his record of course. 10 wins in a season? You mean just one more than last year, when PJ just started instilling his system with the wrong type of (mostly underclassmen) players?

Come on, you start with the wrong arguments, and then when you're shown up, you take it out to absurd lengths. Lord knows I've said some asinine and dumbass stuff on these boards, but I know to drop the points when I've been clearly wrong. You're just too much of a hardass to admit you're wrong, ever, about anything. I just really, really hope you predict UGA will blow us out.

 

[ncjacket]

Okay. the jock did post on this board last night that the game set us back a year. I'll find it , copy it and post it.

and like I said, I'm not buying it. Why is it we cream Miami last year and it doesn't set them back, but we have a bad loss and the program crumbles? That's exactly what I'm trying to say...we're so freaking fragile it's ridiculous. If you're going to play with the big boys, sometimes you're going to get your ass handed to you.

 

[THWG_Nuff Said]

I am sorry but whenever I hear the cliche "great fit for Georgia Tech" I translate : "like Gailey, Curry, Rodgers" because we as a fan base will look past 1-9-1 if the coach is a good fit. We will accept going to the Smurf Bowl if we just keep the bowl string alive; we will accept last night as a tough loss and move on if the coach is a good fit for Tech. I have, maybe not here, but elsewhere, acknowledged that, having seen CPJ in action, he is the better choice than Muschamp (or Neuhisel). But I also have said and still believe that the benchmark for our coach, good fit or not, is 10 wins in a season. Right now that is a pipe dream---for this year or next.

Your benchmark is completely off base given the situation CPJ's in at the moment. He's implement a completely COMPLETELY 180 degree turn as it relates to an Offense.

For you to think that he' should come in here as a new hire and win 10 games off the rip is insane. And furthermore if that's the benchmark, you should be blowing him on the 50 every game due to the success he had last year and missiing you so called "benchmark" by 1 game last year

For God's Sake, we've on had __1__ 10 win season in the last 15 yrs.

But we have been to 13 straight bowl games. I don't necesarily like the "Smurf, Nut, Etc Bowl" either but if other teams are going to count them then so will I. Especially since we're currently 3rd overall in most consecutive bowl appearances at the moment (that's more than Texas, Florida, USC, LSU, etc can say) even though those teams have all won a NC

You need a damn reality check and a refresher in expectations and the game of football and coaching

 

[eg1]

I am no longer a fan of "Oh well, better luck next time".

Reminded of a quote from Scrubs:

.sig-worthy!

 

[eg1]

**** football, try being a Georgia Tech basketball fan.

+ lots

 

[ncjacket]

I am no longer a fan of "Oh well, better luck next time".

Reminded of a quote from Scrubs:

So basically, once we lose a game you're done with the year and will resort to complaining? I have no idea what your comment really means unless I nailed it on my response.

 

[JacketIM]

For the record, and only for the record, the comment about being set back one year was made by The Mover here:


http://www.stingtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34420&page=2


I have never played football, have no inside connections, and don't have more than a rudimentary knowledge of the game. I am certainly not at the point where I can analyze what 's happening by looking at the qb's footwork, blocking angles, eye movement, etc. I don't agree with everything that those who appear to be more knowledgeable than I, BOR for example, or anybody else says about the team, but take it as data to use, along with my own observations, to reach conclusions which, at this point are:

1. Were were beat, badly, by a good, or even very good, team playing a very good, near perfect game. We will lose that game ten out of ten times unless we play a very good, near perfect game, which we, by a wide margin, did not. Then we will still only win that game, at best, half the time. To improve those odds, we need to considerably increase the talent level in the three deep chart at every position. That may never happen, but if it does, we are some time away from it.

2. The team has not played to expectations. My expectations where based on what PJ said - a better team but could have a worse record. At this point, I don't see a better team. Could it be that last year D. Richard and others who are no longer on the team established a mindset that, along with effort and coaching, propelled us to the uga win? If so, then that mindset seems to be missing at this point in the season.

3. Last year, the team improved as the season progressed, It wasn't a straight line improvement, but the net results between game one and uga were undeniable. I reserve final judgement on this team for the future, There is just not enough data at this point to reach any final conclusions.

4. The chatter about dissension, and resulting lack of motivation and effort, within the team is scary. The last time we had a major problem with this type of thing, we went on a downward spin that took years, and a coaching change, to recover from. I do have faith that PJ will do what's necessary to handle the problem, if it exists, from his point of view. But any one who has been involved with such a problem knows that the ultimate solution to it must be reached by the peers in the group. I would hope that, if such a problem exists, we have individuals on the team capable of taking a leadership position. I know that if Richard were still on the team, he would have worked to take care of the problem, if it exists, one way or the other.

I don't know whether we have been set back a year or not. I do know that the team does not appear to play with the intensity we saw in the past. I trust that PJ will do what a coach can do to fix the problems we are having. I hope that one or more of the players step up as peer leaders. The goal is still to be a better team than last year. There are still has 9 games to play. The goal is still within the the team's reach.

 

[ncjacket]

I appreciate everything mover has done for Tech, but I also disagree with that sentiment. I wonder if he would reiterate is now, after a little time has passes? We lost and we looked bad. But we have 9 more games to play so the season isn't over. If your expectation was a MNC then, yes, we're out of that picture. But if your expectation was to have a good team, compete for the conference championship and have PJ continue to build his program, then we've hit a bump not a roadblock.

 

[77GTFan]

Mover's mood has worried me. He is a very positive supporter, but as a former player he has a better feel for the team than most of us. When he picked the Canes I was afraid he knew something about where this team was that did not bode well.

 

[gth816f]

I appreciate everything mover has done for Tech, but I also disagree with that sentiment. I wonder if he would reiterate is now, after a little time has passes? We lost and we looked bad. But we have 9 more games to play so the season isn't over. If your expectation was a MNC then, yes, we're out of that picture. But if your expectation was to have a good team, compete for the conference championship and have PJ continue to build his program, then we've hit a bump not a roadblock.

I think most people's expectations were to compete for a conference championship(which we can still do) and see our program move forward. The latter seems to not only not have happened, but we actually have regressed thus far, and I think that's what has people more upset than the loss.

Obviously we are not running the offense as well as at the end of last year, but it's more than that. We wanted to see a more disciplined team than under Gailey; well, if not for the 10 false starts and 2 blocks in the back we might have won the Miami game despite our shortcomings. We wanted to see our team come out and play with passion and effort; by their own admission, our team has not really done that thus far. Finally, we expected to change the general attitude of the program; well, among mover, dems, and PJ's pressers it's pretty clear that not it's not just the fans who are concerned about the team.

Yeah, the season is only 25% over, and I think we all fully expect to improve as it goes along. However, with the bowl debacle last year, Paul Johnson's raise, and the way we've played so far this season, I think the Miami game was more than just another loss. I don't know that it set the program back a year, but it definitely seemed to be a microcosm of everything about the team since the U[sic]GA game last year.

 

[ncjacket]

I understand gth, my main point though is that we're still young and we can still turn this around. What's happened thus far is troubling but every year there are teams that start slow and finish strong. I mean, how many VT fans gave up after they were creamed by LSU a few years ago? They still ended up with 11 wins. Or how about last year when they opened with a lost to ECU? That's why bothers me about Tech fans...we seem to give up when the team doesn't perform to our standards. That's what I mean by being fragile. When we're winning we all get on the bandwagon. As soon as something isn't right, everybody starts panicking. How many posts have we seen in the last two days from people who either never posted before, or haven't posted in a long time? When we win they go away.

 

[BarrelORum]

4. The chatter about dissension, and resulting lack of motivation and effort, within the team is scary.

One person on the entire board said this, and he has zero connection to the program. I can assure you this is 100% horse****.

 

[bbradley]

We are a work in progress, Johnson only has 2 lineman his staff recruited on the team and they are back-ups. I can see a positive future. We need to stick together, we Tech fans have a lot of haters out there and no need to give up on our boys or program at this point. Things are heading in a positive direction. We will lose some games but one day soon we will be contenders!

 

[JacketIM]

One person on the entire board said this, and he has zero connection to the program. I can assure you this is 100% horse****.

I am not trying to make anything out of it. I agree that there has only been one direct statement (at least which I have seen) about this, by the person who started this thread, I believe. But it seems that there have also been some indirect references to internal problems, for example by demjackets (sp? you know who I mean) and others about certain people not doing or slacking off on their responsibilities (such as blocking down field), not putting forth effort, etc. When I would hear that kind of talk within the military units I commanded, I would think smoke and send the appropriate people out to see if there was a fire. Most of the time there was not, but when there was the problem had to be dealt with quickly.

I hope that you are correct, and have no evidence at this time that would cause me to believe that you are not. Again, I wasn't trying to make "chatter" into truth.

 

[THWG_Nuff Said]

I think most people's expectations were to compete for a conference championship(which we can still do) and see our program move forward. The latter seems to not only not have happened, but we actually have regressed thus far, and I think that's what has people more upset than the loss.

Obviously we are not running the offense as well as at the end of last year, but it's more than that. We wanted to see a more disciplined team than under Gailey; well, if not for the 10 false starts and 2 blocks in the back we might have won the Miami game despite our shortcomings. We wanted to see our team come out and play with passion and effort; by their own admission, our team has not really done that thus far. Finally, we expected to change the general attitude of the program; well, among mover, dems, and PJ's pressers it's pretty clear that not it's not just the fans who are concerned about the team.

Yeah, the season is only 25% over, and I think we all fully expect to improve as it goes along. However, with the bowl debacle last year, Paul Johnson's raise, and the way we've played so far this season, I think the Miami game was more than just another loss. I don't know that it set the program back a year, but it definitely seemed to be a microcosm of everything about the team since the U[sic]GA game last year.

I'm sorry but I'm not sure I agree with this. I think as a whole the entire general attitude has changed about this program. When was the last time we all had high expectations about our football team (I can't remember ever feeling that great about a Reggie led team, the last time I felt jacked up was when I went to Southbend and found that all Touchdown Jesus was motioning was 4th and a yard for the Irish)

I think that we're just taking these last 3 games as too much of a downer and for the most part the majority of this board is WAAAAAAY OVERREACTING.

it's the 3rd week. We're going to be fine, and if for some reason we aren't then **** happens. We're a work in progress and we're a lot further along than we should be 16 games into Johnson's tenure (regardless of the outcome of the last 3 games). You have to look at the entire picture.

 

[BarrelORum]

But it seems that there have also been some indirect references to internal problems, for example by demjackets (sp? you know who I mean) and others about certain people not doing or slacking off on their responsibilities (such as blocking down field), not putting forth effort, etc.

All of those things are common problems with every team in the country, even Florida and USC. The difference is those guys have a **** load of depth and talent to overcome it and bench the culprits.

I hear your concerns. In my opinion i would be shocked and extremely disappointed in PJ if Cox is not starting for AA next week. AA needs some time riding the pine. Marcus Wright sat on the bench a lot until he learned how to block. Now look at him. He is one of our best blocking Abacks and he weighs less than 180 lbs!

We just need to get these guys who are halfassing it and sit their butts on the bench.

Then again, we also have a talent problem at some positions. Sellers tries hard, but he gets flat out owned playing tackle. His effort is better than Claytor which is why he's starting. We need to light a fire under Claytor and others who should by all means be starting. As far as the OLine goes, we only have so many options.

 

[alpha]

So basically, once we lose a game you're done with the year and will resort to complaining?

wtf. Can you read? Or do you find that you hear voices when you are reading people's posts? Where do I say we're done for the year? Quote me.

I have no idea what your comment really means ...

Obviously.

...unless I nailed it on my response.

Obviously not.

Assumptions are the mother of all **** ups.