One position and a special teams play....

[Techbert]

What Position Are You Going To Attack Next

Well, now that we've got the pollyannaish viewpoint out of the way...

You've attacked our defensive ends. You've attacked the quarterback that leads the ACC in TD passes, by a wide margin. Who are you going to attack next?

To read some posts around here, it's a wonder we've won a game!

Reggie Ball does not fit the conventional mold of quarterbacks. He is going to throw away enough balls that his completion rate will never be high. That's not what his game is about.

His game is about getting us in the end zone, and winning games. Currently, he is succeeding more than any other quarterback in the Coastal Division.

But go ahead and call any defense of Reggie Pollyannish. It just shows a rusted shut mind. And in your spare time, remind us of how our defensive ends just are not getting it done.

 

[knoxjacket]

The phrase "four year starter" says it all. It's just plain mindboggling that this guy started for four years on a BCS conference team. Mindboggling.

 

[knoxjacket]

Re: What Position Are You Going To Attack Next

You've attacked our defensive ends. You've attacked the quarterback that leads the ACC in TD passes, by a wide margin. Who are you going to attack next?

To read some posts around here, it's a wonder we've won a game!

Reggie Ball does not fit the conventional mold of quarterbacks. He is going to throw away enough balls that his completion rate will never be high. That's not what his game is about.

His game is about getting us in the end zone, and winning games. Currently, he is succeeding more than any other quarterback in the Coastal Division.

But go ahead and call any defense of Reggie Pollyannish. It just shows a rusted shut mind. And in your spare time, remind us of how our defensive ends just are not getting it done.

Yes, I recall calling for Michael Johnson to get more playing time well before the Maryland game. Lo and behold it was a pretty damn good observation by myself.

You were incredibly wrong on that count as well.

 

[ContactBuzz]

Shawn Jones
31-15-1
1990 ACC Champ/Nat'l Champ
Joe Hamilton
30-17
1998 Co-ACC Champs
Reggie Ball
28-18
?

Yeh, I see it now. There is a huge difference once you forget the stats and just look at team performance (sic).

It is natural to have affection for the good ol' days. But come on, we could be watching something special this year!

Good job signalmtnjacket - probably won't see much more from him now that the facts are coming out.

We also haven't mentioned the more difficult schedules with Miami, VT, F$U (Jones played 1 year and Hamilton all 4) & UGAg is greater over Reggie's tenure than they were during Jones and Hamilton's.

For you Reggie haters - DON'T MISUNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING - I don't think Reggie is a better overall QB than the other guys. But I do understand and appreciate how important he is to THIS team.

 

[pocket_watch]

Games played should be pretty close between the 3 of them - they were all 4 year starters.

This is a very small part of the proposed comparison, but Reggie will have played quite a few more games than both, I believe. Maybe someone has in their archives, full games played by all.

Individual statistics can make a mess out of reality. For example, if a stat was kept on TD passes per completion, RB may go down as one of the most prolific passers ever.

I said earlier that style points are now out the window this year. I just want us to win. The uglier the better.

 

[ContactBuzz]

The phrase "four year starter" says it all. It's just plain mindboggling that this guy started for four years on a BCS conference team. Mindboggling.

knox - you haven't come with any decent ammunition for your argument. Why is it "Mindboggling"?

With the defenses in this league it's apparent that you need a QB that can do other things besides sit in the pocket and pick defenses apart. Weatherford couldn't do it and got benched (with the best OLine talent in the league - according to the recruiting experts) for Xavier Lee. Kyle Wright is a human tackling dummy (with similar OLine talent - again according the experts). Will Proctor, although he has some scrambling ability, is not lighting it up against the better defenses. Do we have to mention how well Sean Glennon performed sitting back in the pocket against us - sure he put up some yards and a decent completion %. Do you think VT fans would rather have 2 more incompletions or watch him get rocked by our blitz for fumbles that led to 2 TDs?

 

[77GTFan]

I give Reggie a lot of credit for last night. Yes, he made two terrible throws that gave the Bad guys ten points. But, he had four TD passes and was playing at less than 100%. He did not go into the tank when he made the big errors.
Most important, for the second week in a row, he was the QB for a fourth quarter comeback. His leadership at crunch time has improved this year.
I doubt that I will look back at Reggie's career and put him at the same level I consider the careers of Hamilton, Jones, King, and Lothridge.
But, he will be on my second tier with guys like Good, McAshan, Dewberry, Myers, and Godsey.

 

[Techbert]

Re: What Position Are You Going To Attack Next

was a pretty damn good observation by myself.

You were incredibly wrong on that count as well.

What was your observation? That we needed to give playing time to a promising young player coming off injury? Well, duh! Of course, you probably think he should have played more while injured.

And how is thinking that Oliver and Robertson are an important part of our team "incredibly wrong"? Guess what? They are an important part of the team, and have been so from the beginning.

 

[pocket_watch]

He did not go into the tank when he made the big errors.
Most important, for the second week in a row, he was the QB for a fourth quarter comeback. His leadership at crunch time has improved this year.

This by far has been the remarkable improvement. RB will never stack up with great quarterbacks based on statistics, and until this year most would not even regard him as good in general.
However, he now has a chance to finish out his l o n g Tech career in a very special way. He will be remembered for this year. He is a blue collar qb that will take us to the OB. Who would have thought!

We will beat Wake, BC or umd (twice)

 

[ContactBuzz]

This is a very small part of the proposed comparison, but Reggie will have played quite a few more games than both, I believe. Maybe someone has in their archives, full games played by all.

Individual statistics can make a mess out of reality. For example, if a stat was kept on TD passes per completion, RB may go down as one of the most prolific passers ever.

I said earlier that style points are now out the window this year. I just want us to win. The uglier the better.

By the time it's all said and done, Reggie will have played in a whopping 4 more games than Shawn or Joe. The stats posted in this thread are based on 1 less game than the other 2.

Hate all you want on Reggie - he still has a chance to do something that Li'l Joe didn't do...win an outright ACC championship and take the team to a BCS bowl (which Joe could've done with a just one more win over Wake Forest...that's right Wake Forest). If he does, I still will not think he's a better QB than Joe - but I'll still remember him as one of my favorites.

 

[knoxjacket]

knox - you haven't come with any decent ammunition for your argument. Why is it "Mindboggling"?

With the defenses in this league it's apparent that you need a QB that can do other things besides sit in the pocket and pick defenses apart. Weatherford couldn't do it and got benched (with the best OLine talent in the league - according to the recruiting experts) for Xavier Lee. Kyle Wright is a human tackling dummy (with similar OLine talent - again according the experts). Will Proctor, although he has some scrambling ability, is not lighting it up against the better defenses. Do we have to mention how well Sean Glennon performed sitting back in the pocket against us - sure he put up some yards and a decent completion %. Do you think VT fans would rather have 2 more incompletions or watch him get rocked by our blitz for fumbles that led to 2 TDs?

None of those guys are four-year starters. Find me one four-year starter, ever, that you think RB is better than. ONE.

Is it really too much to expect a four year starter to hit more than 50% of his passes?

 

[ContactBuzz]

None of those guys are four-year starters. Find me one four-year starter, ever, that you think RB is better than. ONE.

Is it really too much to expect a four year starter to hit more than 50% of his passes?

Ok, Charlie Whitehurst. A guy that actually got worse with each season (with a very slight uptick his SR season).

 

[knoxjacket]

Re: What Position Are You Going To Attack Next

What was your observation? That we needed to give playing time to a promising young player coming off injury? Well, duh! Of course, you probably think he should have played more while injured.

And how is thinking that Oliver and Robertson are an important part of our team "incredibly wrong"? Guess what? They are an important part of the team, and have been so from the beginning.

They weren't getting it done at that point. They weren't getting any pressure on the QB. You claimed it wasn't their job to do that. Michael Johnson comes in one week later and saves a game with two sacks. But, I guess that wasn't his job.

It's pretty open and shut. You're football opinions are almost as lame as the silly strawmen you build up on the Hive Water Cooler.

 

[knoxjacket]

Ok, Charlie Whitehurst. A guy that actually got worse with each season (with a very slight uptick his SR season).

Not a four-year starter. Try again.

 

[ContactBuzz]

Not a four-year starter. Try again.

Yes, he absolutely was. Started 5 games (and got playing time in 4 others) as a RS FS. So he even had an extra year in the system.

By the way, in his SR season: 67.4 completion %. Team 6-6 record.

 

[pocket_watch]

Hate all you want on Reggie

Saying this in a very cheerful manner, please read most of the material before trying to put words in my mouth.
I am not saying RB shouldn't be the favorite qb of anyone. My point is noone should rely on select individual statistics to prove his place in Tech qb lore, least of all, TD completions.
I believe you pointed out that he has had CJ for the last 3 years. Some would say that Hamilton's TD record should be shattered by now because of Calvin.
On your other point, I don't think Reggie would have done well under Friedgen.

I happen to think if Chan had come to "his Decision" 2 years ago regarding getting out of offensive playcalling, RB and CJ would hold many records. That didn't happen though.
Somehow, RB is proving this year that he is not a quitter, regardless of how poorly he is playing in any game. That tells me he has always had the heart, and for that I am happy he is our qb too (as long as he beats uga along the way.)
I think he leads us to our first BCS game.

 

[ContactBuzz]

Saying this in a very cheerful manner, please read most of the material before trying to put words in my mouth.
I am not saying RB shouldn't be the favorite qb of anyone. My point is noone should rely on select individual statistics to prove his place in Tech qb lore, least of all, TD completions.
I believe you pointed out that he has had CJ for the last 3 years. Some would say that Hamilton's TD record should be shattered by now because of Calvin.
On your other point, I don't think Reggie would have done well under Friedgen.

I happen to think if Chan had come to "his Decision" 2 years ago regarding getting out of offensive playcalling, RB and CJ would hold many records. That didn't happen though.
Somehow, RB is proving this year that he is not a quitter, regardless of how poorly he is playing in any game. That tells me he has always had the heart, and for that I am happy he is our qb too (as long as he beats uga along the way.)
I think he leads us to our first BCS game.

Fair enough. Decent points. These kinds of arguments are what make sports/football so great.

 

[beej67]

Reggie cost us 10 points for the opposition today and our special teams cost us another 7. Score should have been 31-6. All you people bitching about coaching need to get a life. Our QB and special teams killed us tonight. We had a good game plan. Tashard Choice is the hero on offense.

QFT. Anyone who argues with the OP is nuts. BOR hit the nail on the head, times 10.

The worst thing I heard at Jocks and Jills was on the drive after our second INT someone say, "Damnit Chan, just throw it to Calvin!" Idiot. Did he not see that the "throw it to calvin without making any sort of read on the coverage" play cost us 10 points so far?

Hey guys - our punt coverage was awful last year, and it's great this year. What'd we do to fix it? We got a new JUCO transfer punter. Our problem on KOs is that Yowieyowie is an inconsistent kicker-offer.

The phrase "four year starter" says it all. It's just plain mindboggling that this guy started for four years on a BCS conference team. Mindboggling.

Is it equally mindboggling that he's the BEST QUARTERBACK IN THE ACC? I'd say a resounding "yes," because he's not a superb quarterback, but to say he's terrible is waaaay off base.

Is it equally mindboggling that his true freshman numbers were about 5 times better than Matthew Stafford's?

 

[signalmtnjacket]

Saying this in a very cheerful manner, please read most of the material before trying to put words in my mouth.
I am not saying RB shouldn't be the favorite qb of anyone. My point is noone should rely on select individual statistics to prove his place in Tech qb lore, least of all, TD completions.
I believe you pointed out that he has had CJ for the last 3 years. Some would say that Hamilton's TD record should be shattered by now because of Calvin.
On your other point, I don't think Reggie would have done well under Friedgen.

I happen to think if Chan had come to "his Decision" 2 years ago regarding getting out of offensive playcalling, RB and CJ would hold many records. That didn't happen though.
Somehow, RB is proving this year that he is not a quitter, regardless of how poorly he is playing in any game. That tells me he has always had the heart, and for that I am happy he is our qb too (as long as he beats uga along the way.)
I think he leads us to our first BCS game.

I appreciate your take PW. My point was in response to BOR's comment "Reggie killed us." I was not arguing best GT QB. I just think we have a good, tough QB that is helping put together a special year. He does not deserve the disrespect. In fact, I would say I take offense to the disrespect of one tough mother that has fought hard for Tech for four years. Can anyone argue that he has not given us the best he has to give?

 

[beej67]

If you told me at the begining of the season that Reggie was only going to have 2 "bad games" in the first 9, and that he'd throw 4 TDs in one of those two "bad games," I'da taken it in a second.

Reggie is still just Reggie, but I think he's played better this year than most of us expected.