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aeromech said:
Go back and watch the game, Herbstreit broke it down pretty succinctly with video of a half dozen plays during the 4th quarter.
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Not sure I can bear to do that. I was at the game in Clemson, watching from the visitor seats next to the band, so I couldn't see a dang thing.
 
johncu said:
I haven't rewatched the game yet, but I'm assuming it's two reasons:
1) The defense was forcing him to make his reads quicker by attacking the mesh point.
2) He was scared. It's pretty easy for us fans to ignore the physical toll, but TM was getting his ass beat pretty much every play, and nothing was working. "Deer in the headlights" is a pretty good description, I think.
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Here's my ignorance again, but I was under the impression that the initial read on the mesh is whether or not X defender is attacking it. Hence the fact that they are committed to attacking the mesh seems like it should make the read easier, not harder. If there's a big ol' mean defender at the mesh every time, doesn't that make it more obvious not to give the ball to the B-back?

To my eye (again, claiming no knowledge of this at all), it looked like the problem was much more that we couldn't sustain blocks. Everywhere TQM went, the Clemson defenders were sure to follow. Usually with malice aforethought.
 
18in32 said:
Here's my ignorance again, but I was under the impression that the initial read on the mesh is whether or not X defender is attacking it. Hence the fact that they are committed to attacking the mesh seems like it should make the read easier, not harder. If there's a big ol' mean defender at the mesh every time, doesn't that make it more obvious not to give the ball to the B-back?

To my eye (again, claiming no knowledge of this at all), it looked like the problem was much more that we couldn't sustain blocks. Everywhere TQM went, the Clemson defenders were sure to follow. Usually with malice aforethought.
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Teams that give us trouble take the B-back but come off him immediately if the QB pulls the ball and gets to the QB incredibly fast. Sometimes it even looks like they are faking toward the B-back only to take the QB after the QB has already made the read.
 
Lion82 said:
I’m surprised CPJ has not made adjustments to the offense when faced with an unblockable front like Clemson’s.
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The Vad Lee experiment did not work. They would have just tackled us for bigger losses if we started further back.

Our offense was outmatched last weekend but we still left a lot of yards on the field by not pitching the ball when we should have. Lots of zero yard keepers should have gotten five on the pitch.

What we really needed to do was pass more out the gate.

The defense played lights-freaking-out after the monsoon stopped.
 
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To continue with the Herbstreit analysis, specifically he was misreading the DT frequently. Clemson is not dumb so they know this is his initial read so they were disguising the read until very late in the mesh process. The mesh point was too fast to get the DT to commit so the DT would fake to BB and then go straight for the QB, blowing it up. He wouldnt do this consistently so sometimes he wasn't faking and was actually playing the BB, in which strangely enough the QB would give to the BB for another blow up play. Several times the quick pitch was much more open instead of giving or keeping. When the QB would keep, he would hesitate in reading the next level which blew up any chance at the pitch. This is the deer in headlights I referred to. I was screaming for MJ to come in and break us out of this shell and sure enough, the team came to life just from him being much more assertive, even on simple plays. It probably helped he has enough bulk to break arm tackles and shirt grabs through the line. Of course, just our luck, the spark went out with an ankle injury and TM came back in and instantly went back into his shell.
 
beej67 said:
The Vad Lee experiment did not work. They would have just tackled us for bigger losses if we started further back.

Our offense was outmatched last weekend but we still left a lot of yards on the field by not pitching the ball when we should have. Lots of zero yard keepers should have gotten five on the pitch.

What we really needed to do was pass more out the gate.

The defense played lights-freaking-out after the monsoon stopped.
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I still don’t think many of gods litches would’ve gotten any yards. We didn’t sustain our blocks on the perimeter well at all. We weren’t putting guys on the turf at all. They were sidestepping the blocks and blowing things up.
 
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