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GTCrew4b said:
No you didn't. You're a liar and a charlatan. Chicanerous AND deplorable.
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Second time in my life I have been called a charlatan. First time I wasn't sure what it meant so I had no comeback. This time... öööö knowing is only half the battle. Hold please while I watch some cartoons to find out the other half.
 
I'm just pissed they took the knee on the 2-pt conversion after they finally got everyone off the field. That's one PAT that Butker is not going to add to his career stats.
 
I also never understood why the NFL insists on the PAT/2-pt Conv after a TD with no time left on the clock, but I have seen college games that skip it. In fact, I believe at least one of our games have ended on a game winning TD and the PAT wasn't kicked. FSU missed FG maybe? I know I remember at least one of ours prior to that game as well.
 
GTNUKE said:
I'm just pissed they took the knee on the 2-pt conversion after they finally got everyone off the field. That's one PAT that Butker is not going to add to his career stats.
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Bigger question, if you're up by 6, do you kick it or still kneel on it? The spread for that game was 7 IIRC.
 
GTNUKE said:
I also never understood why the NFL insists on the PAT/2-pt Conv after a TD with no time left on the clock, but I have seen college games that skip it. In fact, I believe at least one of our games have ended on a game winning TD and the PAT wasn't kicked. FSU missed FG maybe? I know I remember at least one of ours prior to that game as well.
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I took a quick look at the play by play for our 2015 game and it was indeed the case. Lance Austin's 78 yd blocked FG return for the TD was the last play of the game. There was no PAT try or 2-pt conversion try.

Here is an interesting question. The score of the game was 22-16. IF it had been 18-16 or 17-16 would the officials require the PAT? Since in college a blocked PAT or fumbled 2-pt conversion can lead to 2 pts for the other team (unlike in the NFL).
 
GTNUKE said:
I took a quick look at the play by play for our 2015 game and it was indeed the case. Lance Austin's 78 yd blocked FG return for the TD was the last play of the game. There was no PAT try or 2-pt conversion try.

Here is an interesting question. The score of the game was 22-16. IF it had been 18-16 or 17-16 would the officials require the PAT? Since in college a blocked PAT or fumbled 2-pt conversion can lead to 2 pts for the other team (unlike in the NFL).
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Don't know if they would require it but it would most certainly be a kneel down if so.
 
GTNUKE said:
I took a quick look at the play by play for our 2015 game and it was indeed the case. Lance Austin's 78 yd blocked FG return for the TD was the last play of the game. There was no PAT try or 2-pt conversion try.

Here is an interesting question. The score of the game was 22-16. IF it had been 18-16 or 17-16 would the officials require the PAT? Since in college a blocked PAT or fumbled 2-pt conversion can lead to 2 pts for the other team (unlike in the NFL).
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If time has expired and the PAT won't affect the outcome then the PAT isn't attempted and the game is over. This happened in the Florida Tennessee this season. If it is 18-16 or 17-16 then yes the PAT has to be attempted.
 
ramblin' wagon said:
If time has expired and the PAT won't affect the outcome then the PAT isn't attempted and the game is over. This happened in the Florida Tennessee this season. If it is 18-16 or 17-16 then yes the PAT has to be attempted.
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Thanks, I assumed that was the answer. But it seems weird that the official must consult the scoreboard to determine if the game is over or if there is one play left. You don't often see it happen, but it would still be weird. I wonder if most officiating crews would have to have a conference on the field to say, yes we need one more play, because the game is within 1 or 2 pts. They are so used to just having the game be over after a winning TD with no time on the clock.
 
ramblin' wagon said:
If time has expired and the PAT won't affect the outcome then the PAT isn't attempted and the game is over. This happened in the Florida Tennessee this season. If it is 18-16 or 17-16 then yes the PAT has to be attempted.
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I don't know about attempted. You may have to take a snap, but that doesn't mean you have to attempt anything. If it's a dead ball play with 0.00 on the clock, take a knee, game over.
 
Vespid said:
I don't know about attempted. You may have to take a snap, but that doesn't mean you have to attempt anything. If it's a dead ball play with 0.00 on the clock, take a knee, game over.
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Easy to say and I agree that is what would happen. However, I remember Clemson knocking the ball out of our QB hands on one play before he could even take a step back from under center, nevermind having to step back and take a knee.

Sure the Clemson player was offsides, but it wasn't called that way by the official and if that can happen on a regular play, then it could happen on a 2-pt conversion try where all 11 defenders are going to be trying to force a fumble.

By "attempt", I just mean having to snap the ball.
 
Vespid said:
I don't know about attempted. You may have to take a snap, but that doesn't mean you have to attempt anything. If it's a dead ball play with 0.00 on the clock, take a knee, game over.
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Straight from the rule book.

a. The ball shall be put in play by the team that scored a six-point touchdown. If a touchdown is scored during a down in which time in the fourth period expires, the try shall not be attempted unless the point(s) would affect the outcome of the game.

Maybe you can write a letter to the NCAA about semantics.
 
GTNUKE said:
Easy to say and I agree that is what would happen. However, I remember Clemson knocking the ball out of our QB hands on one play before he could even take a step back from under center, nevermind having to step back and take a knee.

Sure the Clemson player was offsides, but it wasn't called that way by the official and if that can happen on a regular play, then it could happen on a 2-pt conversion try where all 11 defenders are going to be trying to force a fumble.

By "attempt", I just mean having to snap the ball.
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I'm glad you mentioned this. I remember it now. Was that play a turnover? If so, were all turnovers reviewed at that time? and regardless if it was reviewed or not, if the same instance happens now and gets reviewed, can they even make the call that the defender was offsides?
 
ramblin' wagon said:
Straight from the rule book.

a. The ball shall be put in play by the team that scored a six-point touchdown. If a touchdown is scored during a down in which time in the fourth period expires, the try shall not be attempted unless the point(s) would affect the outcome of the game.

Maybe you can write a letter to the NCAA about semantics.
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Thanks for the rule book reference. That's what I expected.

But it is interesting. If a TD is scored with no time left on the clock and the scoring team is down by 3 or more or up by 3 or more then there is no PAT attempted.

Obviously if the scoring team is down by 2, 1 or tied then there is an attempt.

What's maybe a little less obvious is if the scoring team is up by 1 or 2, there is still an attempt.
 
GTNUKE said:
Thanks for the rule book reference. That's what I expected.

But it is interesting. If a TD is scored with no time left on the clock and the scoring team is down by 3 or more or up by 3 or more then there is no PAT attempted.

Obviously if the scoring team is down by 2, 1 or tied then there is an attempt.

What's maybe a little less obvious is if the scoring team is up by 1 or 2, there is still an attempt.
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I'm sure there would be an attempt, because it is possible for the defense to get the ball and score. Not saying it's likely, but entirely possible if there's a fumbled center/qb exchange or something like that.
 
GoGATech said:
I'm glad you mentioned this. I remember it now. Was that play a turnover? If so, were all turnovers reviewed at that time? and regardless if it was reviewed or not, if the same instance happens now and gets reviewed, can they even make the call that the defender was offsides?
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Based on my memory, the play was a fumble and a turnover to Clemson. I don't believe there was any review (but could be mistaken on this as I was at the game). If there was a review, the turnover stood. Because I know Clemson ended up with the ball. I remember getting home on Sunday (I lived in Virginia at the time) and watching the replay from my DVR and being so mad at how offsides he was and there was no call.

I assume if there was a review, they looked so see if it was a fumble and was recovered by Clemson, but being offsides or not was (is) NOT something that can be reviewed.
 
GTNUKE said:
Based on my memory, the play was a fumble and a turnover to Clemson. I don't believe there was any review (but could be mistaken on this as I was at the game). If there was a review, the turnover stood. Because I know Clemson ended up with the ball. I remember getting home on Sunday (I lived in Virginia at the time) and watching the replay from my DVR and being so mad at how offsides he was and there was no call.

I assume if there was a review, they looked so see if it was a fumble and was recovered by Clemson, but being offsides or not was (is) NOT something that can be reviewed.
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I think you are right. I don't understand how calls like that can't be reviewed. It's not a judgement call like PI or holding. You're either offsides or you aren't. Maybe it should be a challenge-only call but I think it should be implemented somehow. A missed offsides call can be huge sometimes. If your coach is confident enough about it I think he should have the right to challenge whether someone on the defense was offsides at the snap.
 
GoGATech said:
I'm glad you mentioned this. I remember it now. Was that play a turnover? If so, were all turnovers reviewed at that time? and regardless if it was reviewed or not, if the same instance happens now and gets reviewed, can they even make the call that the defender was offsides?
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Offsides isn't reviewable.
 
ramblin' wagon said:
Offsides isn't reviewable.
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Didn't think so, but as my above post questions, why not? That is one that is cut and dry. There's no debating it 99% of the time, and if on the rare occasion it's extremely too close to call by video then as is the case now you let the field ruling stand.
 
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