Outschemed?.....

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law_bee

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Nix and Tenuta got taken to school by the clumpsum's oc and dc last night.

A couple of things that was very odd.

It actually got WORSE for the D in the second half. I cannot understand why Tenuta didn't or couldn't make better adjustments.

Nix is more understandable. He is a young guy and this was bound to happen. A good offensive performance against Miami will solve his problem.

Tenuta's problem is more concerning. I went to the GT/UNC game 2 years ago and it was VERY similar. For some reason our LB's kept getting sucked into the Dline and the RB's would run forever. I cannot understand why a 2nd half adjustment could not have been made to keep wheeler free.

You can bet that Miami is working on it's zone and running game as we speak.
 
Could it have possibly been because the D got tired? When you have as many three's and out with only 1 (countem yourself) 3rd down conversion the D was on it's heels all nite long! We have had one good win the VT game, course VT may be down this year, MD is only average so we've played 7 games now with only one game against an above average team and what happens we get handed our fannies.
 
I don't think they were outschemed, I think they were out manned on D. The schemes we played in the first half were to negate some of their physical advantage from that OL they have. But it required the DL to bottle up the blockers and the LBs and DBs to make the tackles. The problem is if they miss, you get burned. Unfortunately as the game went on Clemson got stronger, and we began to lose a step.
 
their OL shredded us. That is the key to the game. We got beat on the line, both sides. That is it. that and two major mistackles.
 
Their OLine was simply bigger and more physical than our DLine. When they switched to a power running scheme we were knocked 5-yards off the ball and our defensive speed was totally neutralized. We do much better against East/West runners versus North/South.
 
LawBee,

I think you have made a safe assumption here.

Plus the fact that O'Foggy stated, the D may have been tired.

Whatever the reason/s, I certainly hope it has been a learning experience for the whole team and coaches.

I'm just glad it's their job to correct instead of mine.
 
The defense wasn't only tired because our offense couldn't sustain a drive. They had to deal with the rushing attack no huddle. Tommy Bowden gets a kudos for his gameplan.

I think our biggest weaknesses were exposed last night...
1.) Our OLine. Which contrary to what so many people have stated are not and HAVE NEVER been a strength.
2.) Reggie Ball getting flustered.
 
couldn't have been tired the D played 4 minutes less than the Off. WE WON THE TIME OF POSSESSION.

maybe they were tired b/c Clumsum beat them up, but that is a different issue.

Also they had huge rushing #'s in first half. The D probably played less here than our other conference games. Nix's offense is NEVER going to chew up clock.
 
We only had 1 drive that lasted more than 3 minutes all night. We only had 2 drives with more than 5 plays.

Calvin has only one touch and we only throw his way 4 times the entire game?????

What happened to using Grant in the slot? Where is Greg Smith? It's like we forgot what has worked for us all season long.

They are crowding the box, spying Reggie, and have 2 guys on Calvin most plays. We have 9 guys to beat their 8. Why did it take us 2.5 quarters to figure out we needed to throw the ball?

I am just dumbfounded by the way Clemson just ran over our defense. Sure the D got worn out in the 2nd half, but they were averaging about 4-5 ypc right from the get go. I don't know how you are supposed to out scheme someone that can just line up and run over you at will.

I have watched pretty much all of Clemson's conference games. Where did this team come from? This was not the same team that played Wake last week or BC.

It's just mind boggling how wrong everything went.

BEAT MIAMI!!!!
 
Did you not watch the game? We were calling passing plays, Reggie was bailing on them as soon as he felt any pressure at all.
 
Will Proctor was 7 for 16 for 105 yards. We had no reason to not line our LBs up close.

The fact is that even with some old school anti-rushing defense, they still regularly got 4-9 yards a pop. And this was in the first half. Our lines got absolutely manhandled last night.

Now, their OL has four seniors, one junior and two of the best backs in the nation behind it. But what truly concerns me is how BC, Wake and FSU kept the game close. I just don't know if:

a. They had a similarly dominant rushing offense in these games, but turnovers and other team's offenses helped to keep the game close.

b. Their OL just improved that much from the Temple game and two weeks of practice.

c. Our DL, at least last night, was just that bad.

I'm thinking that it's mostly A, as our team did hold them to 7 points in the first half and it didn't blow open until later in the third quarter. I bet that was when Clemson realized Reggie couldn't run and held us to one first down on 7 drives. Then, the LBs and secondary eventually got tired and Davis and Spiller were more than willing to take advantage of it.
 
Couple of thoughts...

First of all, ALL credit goes to Clemson. They simply outmanned us and outmuscled us all night long. They are a much bigger, DEEPER, and stronger team than we are. Our lack of great talent showed.

Secondly, they TOTALLY neutralized our linebackers and that is the absolute strength of our defense. Take away our LB's ability to make plays and you win...plain and simple.

Three. Reggie's injuries and lack of size COUPLED with the pressure he got totally neutralized his ability to make plays.

Finally, offensive adjustments came too little too late and defensively I don't think Tenuta had an answer for what they did to us in the second half.

Let's face it. A strong running team with a big strong line can KILL us EVERY time. It's just the facts. We have to learn how to combat it. In 2003, Auburn would have done the same thing Clemson did last night. They just gave up on the run. Most teams do after we stop them for a few series. Our lines are smaller. Plain and simple. North-South running teams can pound us.

What do we do now to keep Miami and anyone else from doing the same thing?? THAT'S the question!

Again, though ALL credit to Clemson. They are the most talented TEAM in the conference. Best team we'll play all year.
 
ncjacket said:
Did you not watch the game? We were calling passing plays, Reggie was bailing on them as soon as he felt any pressure at all.
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that had to be a read issue. Reggie is NOT scared to take a hit. They must have been showing him some coverage that he had never seen b/f and was NOT prepared to throw into.

Clearly Nix dropped the ball b/c CG would not let him talk to the media after the game. If Nix would have had ANYTHING to say then CG would not have protected him from the media whores.

I agree completely w/ the "where did this clumsem team come from?"

I still think VT beat this clemson team on thursday. Wake had their foot on this team's throat.

Like I said above this was JUST LIKE the UNC game 2 years ago. They ran it right down our throats and were NOT that good.

Because the offense AND the defense screwed up SO BAD it is hard to adequately criticize the coaches.:laugher:

And don't even get me started about the placekicking.
 
ncjacket said:
Did you not watch the game? We were calling passing plays, Reggie was bailing on them as soon as he felt any pressure at all.
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Yep. Several plays that went in the stats as 'rushes' were indeed passing plays that ended up with Reggie feeling the pressure and taking off.
 
I've never seen Reggie go out of bounds one yard from a first down as he did about 3 times last night. I've never seen him shy away from a inside crease and try to bounce EVERYTHING outside like he did last night. It's also been a long time since I've seen him give up on a play as quickly as he did over and over last night. He wasn't staying in the pocket long enough to make reads law. He was bailing from the snap.

Clemson will beat VT in my opinion. They are that good.

BTW, it's pretty funny to hear all this "they aren't that good" when talking about a team that is 7-1 and was ranked 12 at the time we played. Sour grapes much?
 
did you watch the Wake game? How bout the F$U game?

I am telling you Clumsum will not make it to Jax. I think VT, MD or NCST will upset them.

here is the box score for the 2004 UNC game

http://ramblinwreck.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2004-2005/nc0918.html

we let that team get ~300yds on us too and they didn't do it to anyone else but LOSE 6 GAMES that year.

sour grapes? maybe but I think clumsum will still be proven to be a paper tiger

:hugelaugh:

probably in 5 days
 
Nix and Tenuta got taken to school by the clumpsum's oc and dc last night.
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Outschemed? BS. Our D Line got out-muscled, period. Our QB was in so much pain he couldn't use the only two tools he has. (speed, arm strength)

That's the story of that game. Nothing else.
 
law_bee said:
Clearly Nix dropped the ball b/c CG would not let him talk to the media after the game. If Nix would have had ANYTHING to say then CG would not have protected him from the media whores.
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You know what I find funny is when you play the blame game. When you play the blame game you point to the OC and the DC like the original post in this thread. Why is it not Gailey's fault with you? Can't we all agree that the buck stops there? I give all the credit to Gailey for his wins... and I put the brunt of responsiblity on him for the losses.

You and the buzzoffers have at least one thing in common... you're consistent with being full of shit.
 
One thing that seemed apparent last night...

Keep in mind that I was hanging out with God up in the Upper Deck so I may be wrong but it appeared that they did a great job of letting our aggressiveness on defense become our downfall. Run hard to one side then just cut back and the LBs would already have committed to the other side.

In the end we played horribly against a team that was simply better than us. Especially on the LOS. We were completely dominated last night and did little to adjust in the 2nd half.

Outcoached, outplayed and outhustled. I think everybody on the team and coaching staff takes some blame on this one plus a lot a credit goes out to Clemson who played very well. We've never really done well out of bye weeks and that seems to have continued.

This week's game is really the make or break game. Win and the ACC CG is nearly in hand. Lose and it could shake their confidence down the stretch. I'm optimistic that we will see a better performance this week.
 
Law - going back to your original post Clemson did not do a whole lot of "scheming" on O or D. Their O had success when they started running the ball right at us. No scheme just pure line up and run between the guards. They pulled an OLineman or two but nothing major. Our DL didn't hold their position and our LBs had to fight both the DL coming backwards and a second Clemson OL coming after them. That wasn't scheme just pure power.

On D they rushed 4 most (but not all) of the night. With that 4 they got good pressure and got into Reggie's head. He started taking off way before he had to. The plays were called for slants, curls, etc. that had recievers open - and make no mistake recievers including Calvin were open in Clemson's mostly zone D. But Reggie did not throw on time or step up and keep his eyes down the field. Yea there was pressure but the pass plays were generally called that could have been made.

One can make a case that our team was not up to the physical challenge Clemson brought - maybe that is coaching but I would hope to God that a coach doesn't have to motivate a team for a game like this. One can make a case as I have seen that our strenght and conditioning group isn't up to snuff - I don't know but we were outmuscled.

We obviously didn't play well - but it wasn't scheming.

I also am one who doesn't think VT will take Clemson unless the short week gets to them or turnovers take over.
 
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