Paul Johnson's 2-Year Contract Extension Prompts State Of The Program Debate

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The result was an interesting discussion from Tech fans on the state of the program. So let's weigh in:

Q. Does this mean athletics director Todd Stansbury is all in on Johnson?

A. At this point, yes. But it also has become customary in the business for coaches to carry at least four years on their contracts so they will be able to look at recruits and parents and tell them they are signed for the same length of time the recruits will be on campus. It’s a tougher recruiting sell if the coach is carrying less than four years.

Q. Are Tech fans on board with this decision?

A. The fan base is split, but that’s not unusual for any program after having two losing seasons in three years. If there's a wild guess, the Tech split appears to somewhere in the 65-35 range, with 65 percent in favor of the extension. Those who have been with the program for years seem to have a better grasp of reality vs. expectations. And Paul Johnson’s performance at Tech has given him a much longer rope than some of the other coaches who have led the program. Tech fans don’t enjoy losing seasons, but Johnson has given the program two ACC titles (I know, one was taken away), two Orange Bowl appearances and has beaten Georgia three times in Athens. In short, for every bad moment Johnson has had at Tech, he's provided two, sometimes three, good ones.

Q. You mention expectations. Why are they so low?

A. I don't know if low is the right word. It's more reality-based. Because of the academic workload and available curriculum, Nick Saban could take over the Tech program tomorrow, and in three years, still be an underdog against half the schedule. Opposing fans will tell you they don’t want to hear Tech play the “academic card,” but the central factor is this: The Tech program simply cannot recruit many of the athletes our competitors are signing. That is a known fact. There is a reason why Tech sometimes mirrors the football programs at Stanford, Duke, Virginia, Vanderbilt, etc.

Q. But wouldn’t Tech have a better chance recruiting kids who do qualify without the spread-option offense that Johnson runs?

A. Perhaps. Athletes who are considering Tech run into constant negative recruiting by other schools, and much of it is pointed toward Johnson’s offense and Tech’s academic workload. The kids are told they will not make it to the NFL after playing in Johnson’s system. But more than 20 Tech players have been drafted by NFL teams since Johnson arrived at Tech, and a host of others have been invited to NFL camps. Nine of the 22 came through Johnson’s offensive system – linemen, wide receivers and running backs. Oddly enough, most of the negative recruiting has been pointed at those positions.

Q. So you think that Johnson has a better chance to win at Tech than a young coach with a new system?

A. The tendency is to say yes, but after the Virginia-Duke debacles last season, you have to take a second look and wonder if ACC defenses are beginning to catch on. That said, you also have to wonder if Tech’s 3-stars can beat another team’s 5-stars by running the same offense that the other team is running. Would Army and Navy have the success they have had without the spread-option? Would Georgia Tech?

Q. Given the negative recruiting toward the offense and academics, what can Tech do to fix that?

A. The donor who gave $200,000 toward recruiting last week certainly didn't hurt the program. That gift jump-started a donor effort to bolster the overall recruiting effort. I think Stansbury gets it. He’s a former player who went through the athletic-academic gauntlet and knows what a degree from Tech can mean. He believes Tech needs to brand the Tech degree and the football program, rather than shy away from both. The key is identifying the qualified athletes earlier in the process and letting them know there is a perfect fit in Atlanta. The donor program will be a huge help. If you recall, Tech put much-needed resources toward recruiting a few years back, and the results are showing. Some really strong players signed with Tech in the 2017 and 2018 classes.

Q. So you think Johnson’s extension is the right move?

A. I think Georgia Tech has a future Hall of Fame coach on campus and he has earned the right to lead the program. Who are you going to get to replace him? The kids are graduating, and for the most part, have been great citizens. He has given Tech fans some enjoyable, big-time football seasons. There’s one other thing worth mentioning. Each year, TV announcers and opposing coaches go to great lengths to describe how much pressure Johnson’s offense puts on defenses throughout the ACC. They never mention how much pressure the Georgia Tech defense puts on the Georgia Tech offense. If new defensive coordinator Nate Woody can give Tech a top-notch defense, suddenly those 15-play, 9-minute drives and those one-play, 79-yard drives start looking pretty good. And the three-and-outs don’t kill you.

Link
http://thewhiteandgold.com/johnsons...mpts-state-of-the-program-debate-p565-250.htm
 
I don't disagree with a lot of that. I support cpj at this point. Way too much hand-wringing and excuse-making though.

We do not have two ACC titles under Johnson.

Also, I disagree with the numbers that go with "In short, for every bad moment Johnson has had at Tech, he's provided two, sometimes three, good ones." Glasses are really tinted very gold with that statement.

We've had 2 very good seasons (2009, 2014), 2 good seasons that were only fully redeemed by beating UGA (2008, 2016), 3 very Chanesque seasons (2011, 2012, 2013), and 3 losing seasons (2010, 2015, 2017).

You can give CPJ credit for always giving us a little excitement in our mediocre/bad years (Clemson '11, USC '12, FSU '15, VPI '17), but those moments don't exactly negate bad seasons, or losses to Air Force, Kansas (St), MTSU, Duke (multiple).
 
I don't disagree with a lot of that. I support cpj at this point. Way too much hand-wringing and excuse-making though.

We do not have two ACC titles under Johnson.


Also, I disagree with the numbers that go with "In short, for every bad moment Johnson has had at Tech, he's provided two, sometimes three, good ones." Glasses are really tinted very gold with that statement.

We've had 2 very good seasons (2009, 2014), 2 good seasons that were only fully redeemed by beating UGA (2008, 2016), 3 very Chanesque seasons (2011, 2012, 2013), and 3 losing seasons (2010, 2015, 2017).

You can give CPJ credit for always giving us a little excitement in our mediocre/bad years (Clemson '11, USC '12, FSU '15, VPI '17), but those moments don't exactly negate bad seasons, or losses to Air Force, Kansas (St), MTSU, Duke (multiple).

For a moment there I felt like I had some unusually cruel amnesia.
 
I wish we mirror'd the program at Stanford. In the last 7 seasons, they've failed to win at least 9 games only once and 5 of the 7 years had 11 or more wins and 3 Rose Bowl appearances, winning 2.
 
Pretty good look, imo. I agree with almost all of it.

I wish we mirror'd the program at Stanford. In the last 7 seasons, they've failed to win at least 9 games only once and 5 of the 7 years had 11 or more wins and 3 Rose Bowl appearances, winning 2.

*Mirrored
 
At one point it compares the program to the likes of Duke and Virginia, then later it mentions losing to Duke and Virginia and ponders, "That said, you also have to wonder if Tech’s 3-stars can beat another team’s 5-stars by running the same offense that the other team is running." Unfortunately, we didn't lose to a bunch of 5-stars on those two teams so the logic didn't really follow.
 
At one point it compares the program to the likes of Duke and Virginia, then later it mentions losing to Duke and Virginia and ponders, "That said, you also have to wonder if Tech’s 3-stars can beat another team’s 5-stars by running the same offense that the other team is running." Unfortunately, we didn't lose to a bunch of 5-stars on those two teams so the logic didn't really follow.

hell, the article states that the extension prompted a "Debate", which apparently means a single guy answering questions and providing his opinions.
 
At one point it compares the program to the likes of Duke and Virginia, then later it mentions losing to Duke and Virginia and ponders, "That said, you also have to wonder if Tech’s 3-stars can beat another team’s 5-stars by running the same offense that the other team is running." Unfortunately, we didn't lose to a bunch of 5-stars on those two teams so the logic didn't really follow.

Might want to check again on UVA. Maybe not 5 stars, but they bring in a ton of talent.
 
I wish we mirror'd the program at Stanford. In the last 7 seasons, they've failed to win at least 9 games only once and 5 of the 7 years had 11 or more wins and 3 Rose Bowl appearances, winning 2.
Me Too, but TECH does not have the varied curriculum of Stanford nor the geography.
 
Tech is a unique school and a lot of coaches would not want to here! Very hard to recruit here and always will be. I am excited we have one of our own as AD now. He gets it and knows what Tech is about. I believe CPJ will have his best years in the next five years. He has been behind the eight ball in recruiting the whole time he has been here. The man can flat out coach when he has the talent. Give him the mutts talent and he would have won a Natty by now. Tech is lucky to have him and he hasn't gotten the credit he deserves. Bring in another coach and not run the TO and you will need much better players. You don't get these player's and a lot of bad seasons will follow. I look at TN and the mistakes they have made with coaches, and how there program has been down for so long. Sure he has had a few losing seasons but what program hasn't? You can't change coaches every 4 or 5 years and have a good program. It just doesn't work like that.
 
I am concerned about the state of the program based on the fact that we have had two seasons out of three with a losing record and no bowl game. This comes after being able to avoid that outcome, sometimes just barely, for about an eighteen year run. I think we have to ask why the bottom has dropped a little. We need to look at issues of recruiting, player development, morale, energy, schemes, staff, etc. I don’t think it is time for a head coaching change, but it is time for evaluation and correction by CPJ and his staff.
 
I do not agree with the comparison to Vanderbilt and the other private schools. They have much more flexibility than we do, Vanderbilt merged with the Peabody Teachers College years ago. They can recruit anyone who meets the NCAA minimums. I suspect the other private schools have the same low threshold. The only schools with the same academic restrictions are the service schools.
 
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