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Ish

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Do you recall what Bob Davie had to say about the reason for our defensive struggles last night? He said that it was due to the defense having to go against the triple option everyday in practice.

Do people really think our defense prepares for other teams by lining up against the TO?

It's so stupid.
 
Yes it is not completely true because we have a scout team. Also, if it was true, then our defense would be bad to start the season and progressively get better when they get real game experience facing other teams. That hasn't happened.

But still the scout team probably does not match the speed of the 1st string offenses we face. I am actually curious, I know offense and defense go head to head sometimes in practice, does that mean our defense actually has to learn the triple option even though them might not face it in a game?
 
You don't have to line up against a pro-style offense in practice to not give receivers a 10 yard cushion(when the ball is thrown.)
 
Based on the msu game I'd say our first team defense has not learned the triple O
 
Ish said:
Do you recall what Bob Davie had to say about the reason for our defensive struggles last night? He said that it was due to the defense having to go against the triple option everyday in practice.

Do people really think our defense prepares for other teams by lining up against the TO?

It's so stupid.
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You think Bob Davie doesn't know more about how teams practice than you do?

Seriously. He's forgotten more football than both of us.

The defense DOES practice against our offense frequently. Cooper Taylor addressed this on a radio interview before the Miami game.
 
kirbee said:
You think Bob Davie doesn't know more about how teams practice than you do?
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No, Bob Davie doesn't know more about how we practice than I do.

Seriously. He's forgotten more football than both of us.
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That is true.

The defense DOES practice against our offense frequently. Cooper Taylor addressed this on a radio interview before the Miami game.
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That is irrelevant. Bob Davie was implying that our defense practices against the triple option in preparation for the opposing offense.

We'll typically run 2 periods of a 'live' game at the end of each practice, but that's it. The other 22-24 periods are spent preparing for the opposing team.
 
Bob Davies has also, definitely, forgotten more about football than I have ever forgotten.

Seriously though, does anybody think practicing against our offense or the scout team has an adverse effect on our defense? I certainly wouldn't call it out of the question considering the performance against Miami and FSU, two pro-style teams.
 
G776T said:
Based on the msu game I'd say our first team defense has not learned the triple O
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I thought we'd have done much better against an option offense than we did. Whole game on defense was pretty much :ugh:
 
kirbee said:
You think Bob Davie doesn't know more about how teams practice than you do?

Seriously. He's forgotten more football than both of us.

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Honestly, I was not impressed with Bob Davie last night. I don't think he understands our offense very well at all. I'm not a football savant; but I do see the difference between our offense and wishbone Oklahoma and Nebraska ran during the 70's and 80's. I don't think Bob Davie does, or at least he sounds like he doesn't.
 
Ish said:
We'll typically run 2 periods of a 'live' game at the end of each practice, but that's it. The other 22-24 periods are spent preparing for the opposing team.
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And do you think a scout team O with a triple option qb better represents a pro offense or one with a drop back passer? Extend that to a line trying to get bettter at cut blocking...

Just like noone's scout team can replicate our O (excluding Navy), our scout team cannot replicate a pro-style O.
 
The universe of offenses does not consist of Paul Johnson's offense and everyone else's. Every team spends time in practice against their own offense, which is generally a lot different from their next opponent's. Every team also plays against the scout team.

Notre Dame '88 and Nebraska in the '90's had dominating defenses that practiced against option offenses. The idea that this is somehow crippling to a defense is just nonsense.
 
I thought Davie was on acid or something with this "quarterback duck" talk ...

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But apparently this is jargon that some use for the midline option. This is a quote from Bill Mallory's book Football offenses and plays:

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http://books.google.com/books?id=gi...=PA136#v=onepage&q="quarterback duck"&f=false
 
GT1994-1999 said:
And do you think a scout team O with a triple option qb better represents a pro offense or one with a drop back passer? Extend that to a line trying to get bettter at cut blocking...

Just like noone's scout team can replicate our O (excluding Navy), our scout team cannot replicate a pro-style O.
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I'm not sure what people think a scout team does exactly, but believe me when I say that for the most part a scout team is comprised of scrubs and walk-ons (for every team), and their only responsibility is to give the GT defense something to line up against and run simulated plays. That's it. The scout team lines up a certain way, and our defense figures out the best way to defend that play; we aren't running live scrimmages for 2 hours.

We could have Joe Montanna on our scout team and it wouldn't make a bit of difference.
 
Anyone else notice how Davie kept talking about how he had lots of trouble stopping option teams at Notre Dame? Hmmmm, I wonder if there's a corelation between that and his ability to explain the offense.

Next week on ESPNU: Jim Donnan explains the ins and outs of Ralph Friedgen's offense!
 
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