PJ gets a new deal!

BarrelORum said:
Again, see my above post. Either your retarded, an idiot, or ignorant. Take your pick. There are no similarities. PJ has proven he is a winner at this level, how about this year genius? Or the fact that he built Navy into the biggest power it has been since Starbaugh? Or how about his championships at GSU? He's had one losing season as a head coach and it was his first year at Navy. If you don't recognize that we have a special coach, I hate to tell you but see the above...
1.) retard
2.) idiot
3.) ignorant
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Yes, well, he has been a head coach at ONE 1A school and went to a bowl game with them every year. THAT is the extent of his head coaching experience at this level, and it wasn't even a BCS school. Well thank the ****ing lord that we found a coach who has proven he is able to take a team to a bowl every year, let's lock him up for the next decade. Yes, I understand that he had far less talent there than he has here, but guess what? If you play that card, then you can't really say he has experience at this level.

If you would read my posts, you would see that I said I love Paul Johnson and think he will bring us ACC titles and more. I just think that we have a perfectly good contract in place right now, and before we commit ourselves for longer we should learn exactly what we have. Being patient has never hurt anyone, and if you can't see that people have thought they had the perfect coach after one season(for a variety of different reasons) and it turned out to not be true, then you are either:
1.) retarded
2.) idiotic
3.) ignorant

Of course, I forgot that you are BarrelORum, and you have all of the answers. In that case I guess nothing I just said applies, so feel free to disregard all of it.

EDIT: ****, I just read that part where you gave this year as an example of PJ's success at this level. THAT was where our misunderstanding was: I had forgotten that Weis had a crappy year his first year at Notre Dame. My bad. I can see that there are no similarities between the two situations now.
 
If Paul Johnson leaves I don't think it's going to be about the money. That's just not him. I don't think the extension is going to hold him back any more than the silly "coach in waiting" thing is keeping Will Muschamp at Texas. We are paying CPJ more because it is the right thing to do. He's making more money for GT so he should be paid more.
 
gth816f said:
If you would read my posts, you would see that I said I love Paul Johnson and think he will bring us ACC titles and more. I just think that we have a perfectly good contract in place right now, and before we commit ourselves for longer we should learn exactly what we have. Being patient has never hurt anyone, and if you can't see that people have thought they had the perfect coach after one season(for a variety of different reasons) and it turned out to not be true, then you are either:
1.) retarded
2.) idiotic
3.) ignorant

Of course, I forgot that you are BarrelORum, and you have all of the answers. In that case I guess nothing I just said applies, so feel free to disregard all of it.
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I do have all the answers, when you accept that, it will be much easier for you.
I think its funny that you love him and think that he will bring us ACC titles, but you think we are unwise for locking him up long term.

You again are trying to make a crappy comparison to Weis and Notre Dame when clearly that is ****ing irrelevant. The two coaches can't be compared other than they had a good first year with a new school and both are getting a big extension. That's it. That's the only comparison you can draw. And its the easiest one to draw.

We have a "perfectly good contract in place" that is BELOW ****ING AVERAGE MARKET VALUE. He's not even above 50% of the ACC. Do you understand that? Does that register? He came to us over better offers from Duke and SMU. He proved that he could win and win with young players.

When you see a good thing, you make the most of it. You don't sit there holding your dick as someone else will come in next year and it will be eaiser for them to throw a lot more money at him. You give him more money, you make his pay above the average coach in the ACC and you renegotiate a big buyout clause, otherwise we're sitting here next year with more of a chance that someone will take him away.

If you think he's going to bring you many ACC championships, then pay the ****ing guy. Especially when he's below the average coach in the ACC.
 
gth816f said:
EDIT: ****, I just read that part where you gave this year as an example of PJ's success at this level. THAT was where our misunderstanding was: I had forgotten that Weis had a crappy year his first year at Notre Dame. My bad. I can see that there are no similarities between the two situations now.
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Again, you're a ignoramus and there is no hope for you. You draw the surface comparison, when everything about their pasts are polar opposites. Not to mention we have an additional 3 years of Weis failure to draw conclusioons. You keep trying to make that point. Its weak as ****.

How about telling me how Weis and PJ are alike instead of telling me how their situations are alike? Then once you figure out that you don't have an argument, there's a dunce cap waiting for you in the chair in the corner.
 
It's good money for us, with all the TV money out there, at 2.5 because he will grow our program. He is a great OC as well as a head coach, and we don't have to pay for a top notch OC like Friedgen big bucks. Plus we won't have any expensive buy outs during his term. A no brainer in my opinion. Trust Drad to do the right thing.
Or would you like to run both of them off and go back to a Brainless AD with his hire?
 
Geori said:
We are paying CPJ more because it is the right thing to do. He's making more money for GT so he should be paid more.
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Stop making so much sense, the rest of these idiots don't understand simple economics and sound business decisions.
 
Let me not even mention that Weis took over a group of experienced veterans and PJ took over the youngest team in the ACC.

Point, Game, Set... MATCH!!
 
BarrelORum said:
Let me not even mention that Weis took over a group of experienced veterans and PJ took over the youngest team in the ACC.

Point, Game, Set... MATCH!!
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you also forgot to mention that weis was a mastermind OC at new england when he knew in advance what the defense was going to run :fingersx:
 
BarrelORum said:
Again, you're a ignoramus and there is no hope for you. You draw the surface comparison, when everything about their pasts are polar opposites. Not to mention we have an additional 3 years of Weis failure to draw conclusioons. You keep trying to make that point. Its weak as ****.

How about telling me how Weis and PJ are alike instead of telling me how their situations are alike? Then once you figure out that you don't have an argument, there's a dunce cap waiting for you in the chair in the corner.
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I guess you must be missing the part where I said Paul Johnson is a great coach and nothing like Charlie Weis. I was using the Charlie Weis situation to illustrate that sometimes, no matter how sure you are that a coach is great for your program, it doesn't turn out to be true, especially when you have a small sample size to work with.

You're right, we do have three years of Weis failure to look at...my point is that we don't have three years of PJ success to look at. The point of all my posts isn't that Johnson is like Weis(although I guess that is the easiest conclusion to draw, despite the fact that I said multiple times I think the exact opposite), but that Notre Dame thought they had a perfect candidate and acted rashly to lock him up.

You are operating on the principle that there is no way we could possibly be wrong about Paul Johnson being a great coach for our university, and I'm saying that's foolish. If that makes me an ignoramus, then so be it. Dan knows what he's doing I guess.
 
The only "proven winning" that he has done at this level is the 9 (soon to be 10) wins he has at GT. Navy is not at this level. Georgia Southern is not at this level. YOU, BoR, are the one looking like an idiot mouthing off over nothing.
 
you are right, I'm a foolish guy. I think it is certainly a possibility that we may be wrong about Paul Johnson, but let me give you a proper comparison:

Columbus theorized that the world was round based on his journey's and studying the moon, sun and stars. A lot of people thought he was wrong.

Many people think Isaac Newton discovered gravity. He just pointed out the obvious.

Some things are just readily apparent and when they are, you bank on them.
 
I'm a manager.

I seriously question anyone's "management judgement" who doesn't think PJ should get a raise.

If you have a rockstar employee, and you don't want him to spend all day on Monster.com, you renegotiate his deal.
 
gsu_paintballer said:
A raise is not the same as a contract extension
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In college coaching those two go hand in hand. That is just the market place for coaches. And I completely agree with Beej. Anyone who is against this is blind as a ****ing bat and is probably living it up large in their lower-middle income bracket.
 
Yes. They're different. What's the difference?


A contract extension is FREE unless you fire him.


Raise your hand if you think PJ is EVER getting fired.


Exactly.
 
I don't mind the idea of throwing a little money his way - both as a reward for an incredible season, and to make a buyout more expensive for another school.

Really, it comes down to one of the most fundamental, applicable rules out there. Whether it's playing sports, shooting home movies of your kids, having one-night-stands, or negotiating your coach's contract: ALWAYS protect your Johnson.

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SkiJacket said:
Really, it comes down to one of the most fundamental, applicable rules out there. Whether it's playing sports, shooting home movies of your kids, having one-night-stands, or negotiating your coach's contract: ALWAYS protect your Johnson.
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