POLL: What sort of season would you like to see FSU have?

POLL: What sort of season would you like to see FSU have?

  • 0-12

    Votes: 36 36.4%

  • Zero and twelve

    Votes: 3 3.0%

  • Oh and twelve

    Votes: 11 11.1%

  • No wins

    Votes: 49 49.5%
  • Total voters
    99
CiraldoForever said:
I would like to see FSU go 0-4, with all ACC teams refusing to play them. Then, I wish all ACC teams would refuse to play them in basketball and baseball. I don't know why any team in the ACC should do anything to help FSU ever again, and playing them is helping them. I feel practically the same way about Clemson, UNC and NCS. I know this sounds crazy, but why should we put up with this stuff? Does the commissioner of the ACC have any sense of loyalty to the teams that are not sabotaging the ACC, insulting it, and saying they will leave as soon as possible, but in the meantime want to fill their schedules with games against teams they are stabbing in the back. I guess not.
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Like it or not, the ACC is a dinosaur on life support. You are correct that FSU didn’t need to make their thoughts public, but the writing is on the wall. When all you have for potential expansion are a couple of West coast bastard programs (that no other league wanted) and a small school in Dallas that has a 30,000 seat stadium, it speaks volumes about the real value of the ACC.
 
BigDanT said:
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When did classless FSU not run up the score whenever they could? What classless thing could FSU threaten to do that it's not already doing? It's like the mafia threatening to let the air out of your tires.
 
donsue said:
Like it or not, the ACC is a dinosaur on life support. You are correct that FSU didn’t need to make their thoughts public, but the writing is on the wall. When all you have for potential expansion are a couple of West coast bastard programs (that no other league wanted) and a small school in Dallas that has a 30,000 seat stadium, it speaks volumes about the real value of the ACC.
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I agree with you about the weakness of the ACC. If Tech could get into the SEC or Big 10, I would say go right now and worry about the details later. But, while I say this on an anonymous message board, I don't think our President, AD or trustees should say it in public. (I do hope they're working to do it in private, though.) FSU has had a lot of empty seats at its stadium in the post-Bowden era. FSU doesn't even have a basketball gym of its own. As for stadium size, Vanderbilt's working on renovating its stadium and will have a capacity of 28,000 this year. Even in the SEC, teams are having trouble getting people to go to the games. The trend now is to build college stadiums with lower capacity and more comfort, since they're just TV studios. FSU may not think they can be competitive with SEC or Big 10 teams with ACC money, but that doesn't entitle them to get to be more competitive at the expense of making Tech and other ACC teams less competitive. I'm 50-50 on either hoping Tech gets into a super conference or the NFL starts playing AFC games on Saturday and NFC games on Sunday, and the SEC and Big 10 become as irrelevant as they're trying to make everybody else.
 
CiraldoForever said:
I agree with you about the weakness of the ACC. If Tech could get into the SEC or Big 10, I would say go right now and worry about the details later. But, while I say this on an anonymous message board, I don't think our President, AD or trustees should say it in public. (I do hope they're working to do it in private, though.) FSU has had a lot of empty seats at its stadium in the post-Bowden era. FSU doesn't even have a basketball gym of its own. As for stadium size, Vanderbilt's working on renovating its stadium and will have a capacity of 28,000 this year. Even in the SEC, teams are having trouble getting people to go to the games. The trend now is to build college stadiums with lower capacity and more comfort, since they're just TV studios. FSU may not think they can be competitive with SEC or Big 10 teams with ACC money, but that doesn't entitle them to get to be more competitive at the expense of making Tech and other ACC teams less competitive. I'm 50-50 on either hoping Tech gets into a super conference or the NFL starts playing AFC games on Saturday and NFC games on Sunday, and the SEC and Big 10 become as irrelevant as they're trying to make everybody else.
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FSU DOES own their own basketball arena, they bought the Tucker Center from Leon County years back.
Schools like FSU and Clemson have boosters and alums who expect them to compete at the highest levels. They both realize working with a 30 million dollar revenue gap is a huge handicap in this NIL era. You can hate them, pick apart their shortcomings, or whatever, but they are the rats jumping off a sinking ship.

GT has the wherewithal to compete in terms of monied alums, etc. But the ACC isn’t doing Tech any favors either. It makes me laugh all the posts suggesting that adding programs like Navy and SMU will make the ACC a serious competitor to the SEC or the BIGX.

Tech is truly a more important brand than most of the ACC schools. But if the league is coming apart, I hope they aren’t one of those dying on that hill. Being proactive isn’t a bad thing.
 
donsue said:
FSU DOES own their own basketball arena, they bought the Tucker Center from Leon County years back.
Schools like FSU and Clemson have boosters and alums who expect them to compete at the highest levels. They both realize working with a 30 million dollar revenue gap is a huge handicap in this NIL era. You can hate them, pick apart their shortcomings, or whatever, but they are the rats jumping off a sinking ship.

GT has the wherewithal to compete in terms of monied alums, etc. But the ACC isn’t doing Tech any favors either. It makes me laugh all the posts suggesting that adding programs like Navy and SMU will make the ACC a serious competitor to the SEC or the BIGX.

Tech is truly a more important brand than most of the ACC schools. But if the league is coming apart, I hope they aren’t one of those dying on that hill. Being proactive isn’t a bad thing.
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I apologize for saying FSU didn't own their own basketball arena. I didn't know they had bought it. I agree with what you said about Tech and the ACC. I think Tech is a great school with a great athletic tradition, which has been a cherished party of my life since the late 1950s. I am also afraid Tech might get left out of big time sports if the ACC falls apart. I think Tech should have (A) never left the SEC, and (2) joined the Big 10 when it got invited. Tech and the ACC have both been mismanaged almost almost into oblivion. I think Tech is in good hands these days. I don't think the ACC has very good leadership. I do think it says something positive about the ACC that schools like Stanford, Cal, SMU and others would want to be part of it. I think the ACC needs to take an honest look at itself and see what it is really capable of succeeding at, and then it needs to be strong enough to hold its teams together without the coercion of a GOR. It might not be a power conference in football, but it could survive. I hope Tech will be part of The SEC or Big 10. But, as long as we are members of The ACC, I hope our officials have enough class to not criticize it in public. I don't respect FSU or any other team that does that.
 
CiraldoForever said:
I apologize for saying FSU didn't own their own basketball arena. I didn't know they had bought it. I agree with what you said about Tech and the ACC. I think Tech is a great school with a great athletic tradition, which has been a cherished party of my life since the late 1950s. I am also afraid Tech might get left out of big time sports if the ACC falls apart. I think Tech should have (A) never left the SEC, and (2) joined the Big 10 when it got invited. Tech and the ACC have both been mismanaged almost almost into oblivion. I think Tech is in good hands these days. I don't think the ACC has very good leadership. I do think it says something positive about the ACC that schools like Stanford, Cal, SMU and others would want to be part of it. I think the ACC needs to take an honest look at itself and see what it is really capable of succeeding at, and then it needs to be strong enough to hold its teams together without the coercion of a GOR. It might not be a power conference in football, but it could survive. I hope Tech will be part of The SEC or Big 10. But, as long as we are members of The ACC, I hope our officials have enough class to not criticize it in public. I don't respect FSU or any other team that does that.
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Some good points. The FSU people I talk with are incensed that schools like Wake Forest, Syracuse, and Boston College carry little weight in creating revenues and yet get the same share of the dollars. If the league was distributing the kind of dollars the BIGX and the SEC do, I doubt it would be an issue to them.
I agree with you they should have gone about their grievances in a different way. Frankly, I always believe they belonged in the SEC all along, and had no real ties to the ACC schools.
 
donsue said:
Some good points. The FSU people I talk with are incensed that schools like Wake Forest, Syracuse, and Boston College carry little weight in creating revenues and yet get the same share of the dollars. If the league was distributing the kind of dollars the BIGX and the SEC do, I doubt it would be an issue to them.
I agree with you they should have gone about their grievances in a different way. Frankly, I always believe they belonged in the SEC all along, and had no real ties to the ACC schools.
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Maybe FSU pick on someone their own size and not put down little ol’ WF. :coolugh::
2022 lost 21-31
2021 lost 14-35
2019 lost 20-22
 
CiraldoForever said:
I do think it says something positive about the ACC that schools like Stanford, Cal, SMU and others would want to be part of it.
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Not really. These teams are desperate. They know the ACC is the only conference that would even consider taking them, which is due to the ACC’s inherent weaknesses. There is nothing positive in the fact that these conversations are being had. It’s an embarrassment for all concerned.
 
ClubSeats said:
Not really. These teams are desperate. They know the ACC is the only conference that would even consider taking them, which is due to the ACC’s inherent weaknesses. There is nothing positive in the fact that these conversations are being had. It’s an embarrassment for all concerned.
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I think the Big 10 and the Big 12 would and might consider Cal and Stanford, and the Big 12 might consider SMU. Last year people said the same thing about UCF and Cincinnati, etc. Now, they're looking pretty good and have helped make the Big 12 stable. I would rather have UCF than FSU. They'd complain less and be be more supportive of the ACC. Just my opinion.
 
FSU should be ranked #1 after last week, and it's disappointing they're not, but at least they're receiving some votes for the #1 spot.
 
BainbridgeJacket said:
FSU should be ranked #1 after last week, and it's disappointing they're not, but at least they're receiving some votes for the #1 spot.
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No....not even close. LSU, being an SEC scho...I mean football factory, got their typical preseason overrated position in the poles.
 
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