Projecting the Costal programs in a few years

I agree that vpi could be good but it is a big if about them pulling the guys from Norfolk and Maryland like they used to. Md, uva and vpi all just hired new coaches. One is not going to pan out player wise.

Pitt can be very good. There is a good hs product to pull from. Remember that psi used to dominate the state. Not anymore.

I concur on Miami, unc has always had big potential, duke and tech are what they are. Duke top 70, tech top 35.

I will guess that uva will be the most likely to fail. But wow the coastal could be the toughest division in football.
 
daBuzz said:
I think Paul Johnson is a very good coach. I've never cared for the TO and have repeatedly said so but I have enjoyed the success we have had under Paul.

I personally believe that CPJ enjoyed the fruits of a very weak Coastal division for the first few years he was at GT. At the beginning of his tenure, we could cake walk through Duke, UNC and Viriginia (when we played at home...for some reason we've still held that öööö Charlottesville jinx at time during his tenure). Now those teams have gotten better and we've lost 2 in a row to Duke and UNC.

Virginia just definitely upgraded their coach and he's one who has said before that he enjoys coaching defense against option teams. We will see if he has the success at UVA like he did at BYU, but the man is an excellent coach and I would expect he will over time. This year? Who knows?

Pitt still seems to be the weak link in the division to me at this point.

VT - honestly, I find them scary. Keeping Bud Foster certainly didn't make my day because he has 8 years of experience defending the TO and has done well against us. Throw in an offensive minded coach and they should, at least on paper, be a better team. And when you consider they get Brewer back for the entire year next year, Fuente will start with an experienced, talented QB.

Miami - absolutely upgraded with Richt as the coach. No idea who he'll bring in as DC but if he intends to call plays and coach QBs again as he said last week during his "mutual agreement" interview, then that is going to make Kaya dangerous as hell.

But there is certainly no arguing that the road to the ACCCG has most assuredly gotten more difficult.
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VT will be interesting. As you said, on paper that seems like a great situation, but it how much will Fuente enjoy coming in without any staff choices? The other thing is if Fuente and Foster can work well enough together. Foster isn't exactly know for his social graces.

With Miami, I really wonder just how Richt will do without the massive resources of Georgia to back him up and if Richt calling the plays and such was the cure all for offensive woes, he'd of done it this year. Not to say Richt isn't an upgrade, but I think it remains to be seen how much of one.
 
Nawaab said:
The key to the first part is to have a couple of teams in the division in line for the playoff, and try to have everyone else win 7, or 8 games. Only way to accomplish that is to win the out of conference games.

Also, I don't see most of the coaches that were hired by the Coastal programs jumping around to other jobs. There are a few elite jobs that every coach would dream of taking (ND, Bama, USC), but I think with the way the landscape of the sport has changed, outside of those cream of the crop jobs, there isn't as much impetus to go to a bigger school by default. You can make really good money as a coach at a school like Virginia Tech without the insane expectations and pressures of a place like Georgia or LSU. I mean, the nicest guy in Division I football just got fired because winning 9, 10 games wasn't enough. I think that's part of the reason why these ACC jobs were attractive to big names in the first place. Not being the SEC helps in this case.
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The nicest guy in college football didn't make a national championship in fifteen years at a factory school. Framing it solely around his wins per year ignores all the factors at hand.

I sort of agree that the relatively low pressure might be enticing for some coaches, but a lot of coaches have that drive to either prove themselves in the NFL or prove that they can win at one of the major programs under all the pressure. Also, a funny thing happens when a coach starts to win at a program: expectations are raised, and simply meeting the standard that the fans had for the coach and the program when he came on is no longer good enough. If Fedora or Fuente reach a point where winning 8-9 games a season is no longer enough, I could definitely see them bolting.

Collectively, the seven Coastal schools are guaranteed 21 losses a year, and factoring in cross-division and occasional ooc losses, 30 losses collectively a season is probably about right, give or take a few. (This year it was 37, but that was with UVA at 4-8 and us at 3-9.) Assuming that these losses aren't going to be evenly distributed, let's say the top three teams one year combine for just eight losses, the middle two teams combine for 9 losses, and the bottom two combine for 13, with one of those teams failing to make a bowl game. When these sorts of scenarios play themselves out over time, some programs will inevitably fall behind, fans will get disgruntled/impatient, and coaching changes will be made. It doesn't really matter if all the programs look good on paper when someone still has to finish last.
 
Nawaab said:
It's going to make every game on the schedule a lot more exciting, that's for sure. We'll have a great matchup against every team we play, and it will be fun seeing how PJ plans and counterattacks against some of the best coaches week after week.
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But everybody has to play everybody else, too. Two or three loss champs every year?
 
Re: Projecting the Coastal programs in a few years

Odds are better that Fuente will be B*** L***** than they are that he will be Frank Beamer. VPI doesn't have a history as a traditional football power and is located in a backwater. Their only advantage is they are a trade school with non-existent entrance requirements.

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Va Tech... Fuente replacing Beamer will be hard!!

UVA...Mendenhall is a great hire they will improve and improve quickly!!

Miami ... I think Richt's is a great coach and even better person. I think the "U" can expect the same turn around that Coach Richt brought to Athens.... The question remains can Coach Richt win a Natty??


Georgia Tech.... Who knows... But it appears with Coach Richt gone and his 13-2 record over the yellow jackets we may be able to win a few more COFH rivalry games over the next decade!!!
 
GTLiebs said:
With Miami, I really wonder just how Richt will do without the massive resources of Georgia to back him up and if Richt calling the plays and such was the cure all for offensive woes, he'd of done it this year. Not to say Richt isn't an upgrade, but I think it remains to be seen how much of one.
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This. I'm very intrigued to see Richt 2.0. It could go a couple of ways. First, maybe he gets a second wind from being out of a horrible situation with the people he reported to. Alternatively, the new juice wears off after a couple of months and he says, "What did I get myself into? I needed to rest." I honestly think Spurrier did this after getting chased out of the NFL. Took the first SEC offer he could get and then floundered his first few years.

Richt told his UGA players in the last meeting that "rings gather dust" and relationships don't, or something like that. Now, I love Richt, know him personally and he's very genuine; a truly good man. But if I'm a Miami guy I don't want to hear my new coach saying "rings gather dust." There were pics of him making the U with his two hands and immediately people were captioning it, "Look no rings!" Having said all this, I think he'll do pretty good down there. Championships? Not sure about that one. I predict GT-Miami heats up even more as a rivalry.
 
The template for defending the GT option has been set for any team to play us. Any DC can just watch the Notre Dame defensive film against us and stop the TO. That is why it is imperative that we expand our offense. The talent is there, it just has to be used. Hopefully Roof and his defensive coaches can adjust to any "new" offense some of these teams will have with their new Head Coach.
 
UNC is the Duke of two seasons ago. Hell, they got lucky to beat us, and we're dogshit.

VPI is clown shoes.

Miami should be good and UVA should be good.

Pitt is a Big Ten team that wandered into the ACC, which means .500 football is a good season.

Our fate depends on how well UGA does. They down, we up. Vice versa.
 
techdad said:
The template for defending the GT option has been set for any team to play us. Any DC can just watch the Notre Dame defensive film against us and stop the TO. That is why it is imperative that we expand our offense. The talent is there, it just has to be used. Hopefully Roof and his defensive coaches can adjust to any "new" offense some of these teams will have with their new Head Coach.
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Notre Dame figured it out?
 
techdad said:
The template for defending the GT option has been set for any team to play us. Any DC can just watch the Notre Dame defensive film against us and stop the TO. That is why it is imperative that we expand our offense. The talent is there, it just has to be used. Hopefully Roof and his defensive coaches can adjust to any "new" offense some of these teams will have with their new Head Coach.
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I thought UNC had the blueprint 7 years ago? Did DC's lose that film?

Did UNC coaches not watch the ND film before they played us this year and then watch it and halftime and said, "Aha!" and then shut us down? This argument is so stupid.
 
techdad said:
The template for defending the GT option has been set for any team to play us. Any DC can just watch the Notre Dame defensive film against us and stop the TO. That is why it is imperative that we expand our offense. The talent is there, it just has to be used. Hopefully Roof and his defensive coaches can adjust to any "new" offense some of these teams will have with their new Head Coach.
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No need to watch ND. They can just watch every game against VPI, the 2010 Orange Bowl vs Iowa, Peach Bowl vs LSU, Music City Bowl vs Ole Piss, various bowl games vs Air Force, Utah, this year vs mutts, etc etc

Nothing's gonna change on offense. CPJ will continue playing chess even though the game is checkers.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
No need to watch ND. They can just watch every game against VPI, the 2010 Orange Bowl vs Iowa, Peach Bowl vs LSU, Music City Bowl vs Ole Piss, various bowl games vs Air Force, Utah, this year vs mutts, etc etc

Nothing's gonna change on offense. CPJ will continue playing chess even though the game is checkers.
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RamblinWreck92 is playing "Sorry" while other StingTalk posters are playing "Risk".
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
No need to watch ND. They can just watch every game against VPI, the 2010 Orange Bowl vs Iowa, Peach Bowl vs LSU, Music City Bowl vs Ole Piss, various bowl games vs Air Force, Utah, this year vs mutts, etc etc

Nothing's gonna change on offense. CPJ will continue playing chess even though the game is checkers.
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What a dumbass.
 
Keyser Soze said:
Notre Dame figured it out?
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He's right. ND was the first to team to run the Make them all Get Hurt So They Have to Play 4th String and Walk-Ons play and the Make Them Forget Which Play They're Running play.

CPJ never adjusted and everyone else on the schedule took advantage.
 
The blueprint is to have our seniors graduate? How long has the Hill been working against this team?
 
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