Recruiting rankings and such...

What in the world did we do to get that 2007 class? We need to repeat that.
 
bonham said:
What in the world did we do to get that 2007 class? We need to repeat that.
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ThisIsAtlanta said:
The year is 2027. Atlanta is a desolate wasteland ruled by @coit. Crazed tech fans wander the streets, eating every living person who strays into their path. 28 days ago, it began. Deep in a lab in the Edge building, Georgia tech, in a cynical anarcho-capitalist plot, had re-hired Chan Gailey. At first, the experiment seemed stable, but little did they know that the news rapidly mutated and became airborne, escaping through the excellent wi-fi. There was no hope for the unsuspecting world.
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Subscribed.
 
ThisIsAtlanta said:
The year is 2027. Atlanta is a desolate wasteland ruled by @coit. Crazed tech fans wander the streets, eating every living person who strays into their path. 28 days ago, it began. Deep in a lab in the Edge building, Georgia tech, in a cynical anarcho-capitalist plot, had re-hired Chan Gailey. At first, the experiment seemed stable, but little did they know that the news rapidly mutated and became airborne, escaping through the excellent wi-fi. There was no hope for the unsuspecting world.
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You forgot to tell it to mention Coit's love for GTMom
 
Previous 5 year recruiting rankings for the current Top 25 teams and GT....

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Schools that have had Top 10 Recruiting Classes in the past 5 years, but are not currently in the Top 25.....Lots of Texas A&M and Oklahoma on this list

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Milwaukee said:
56th is pretty damn bad isn’t it?
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It’s not good. So don’t take the rest of this post as trying to say it is. But 247 rankings reward bigger classes and ours is really small compared to other schools. Take VPI for instance who signed 25 with one low 4* and is mid 30s. Their class is marginally better than ours if at all, but by shear numbers they get to slap some lipstick on that pig.

So no it wasn’t a good HS class at all. But it doesn’t necessarily mean that all the teams ranked above us did any better.
 
JTS said:
Previous 5 year recruiting rankings for the current Top 25 teams and GT....

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Schools that have had Top 10 Recruiting Classes in the past 5 years, but are not currently in the Top 25.....Lots of Texas A&M and Oklahoma on this list

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This is excellent! Thanks for providing. Can you provide the sources for this info? I'd like to dive a little deeper.

Currently Significantly Underperforming: Texas, TAMU, Oklahoma, Florida, Auburn, Miami, LSU
Currently Significantly Overperforming: TCU, Utah, USC, Kansas State, Washington, Tulane, Oregon State, UCLA, UTSA, Troy, NC State

What would be interesting is to see the final AP rankings by year with their average ranking over 5 years and compare it with recruiting over that period.

What I think you will find is that a few programs consistently overperform and a few consistently underperform and that those programs may reveal what is being done right and what is being done wrong.

Just guessing over the last 5 years Texas, Florida, Miami, TAMU and Auburn have probably significantly underperformed.

While Utah, NC State, Kansas State, and probably a few others I can't think of like maybe Wake Forest have significantly over performed.

Another factor that is difficult to account for is the competition level. No offense against teams like UTSA, Troy and even Tulane who are all overperforming, but they haven't exactly been playing the same schedule as Auburn, TAMU or Texas.
 
TechRush said:
That was the story until Collins was hired and the story mutated from Giff to Gef, so who knows.
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If you recall, TFG left after the 2007 class was in the can and Gif Smith had another one building for 2008 when the change was made to Johnson. Gif stayed on another year or two as DL coach and RC with CPJ then left for the NFL.
 
00Burdell said:
Not a year goes by that I don't hear that our recruiting rankings take a hit because we have a really small signing class.
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Guessing you mostly hear it years when our rankings were especially low because we had a small class. :dunno:
 
gtrower said:
Guessing you mostly hear it years when our rankings were especially low because we had a small class. :dunno:
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Size should not matter in class rank since there are constraints on team size and thus recruiting class size. At least there used to be a 25/85 rule for college football. TBH, I have no idea now what it is.
 
One of the biggest fallacies is "average star rating" as 6.0 high 4 star which is nearly a 5 star, is rated the same a 5.6 low 4 star, even though the talent disparity between 2 such players is far bigger. The better overall indicator is total points for the class, though it's not entirely infallible as well.
 
YellowJacket4Life said:
One of the biggest fallacies is "average star rating" as 6.0 high 4 star which is nearly a 5 star, is rated the same a 5.6 low 4 star, even though the talent disparity between 2 such players is far bigger. The better overall indicator is total points for the class, though it's not entirely infallible as well.
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I would say over time that averages out. Bear in mind the low range guys also get averaged up. That’s what you get with a course-grain look. The true fallacy, IMPO, is thinking anyone can accurately place recruits on a fine-grain scale. Bottom line is I’d opt for the course-grain overview at the early point if recruit commitment.
 
stinger78 said:
I would say over time that averages out. Bear in mind the low range guys also get averaged up. That’s what you get with a course-grain look. The true fallacy, IMPO, is thinking anyone can accurately place recruits on a fine-grain scale. Bottom line is I’d opt for the course-grain overview at the early point if recruit commitment.
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I agree it balances out to an extent, but if you look the top 2 or 3 teams in recruiting most years: Bama, Ugag and Ohio State......Their class point total is far and away higher than even the middle top 10 teams and bottom top 10 teams. The average star rating makes it seem like they are close because a team like Florida with a bunch of lower ranked 4 stars gets the same rating for that rating as a Bama does for 6.0 borderline 5 star.......

But, I agree overall, it's far from anything solid as there are tons of 5 star busts yearly and the competition these recruits play in high school isn't level. Arch Manning, if not for his name, wouldn't be anywhere near a top 50 player overall this year.
 
Buzzilla said:
This is excellent! Thanks for providing. Can you provide the sources for this info? I'd like to dive a little deeper.

Currently Significantly Underperforming: Texas, TAMU, Oklahoma, Florida, Auburn, Miami, LSU
Currently Significantly Overperforming: TCU, Utah, USC, Kansas State, Washington, Tulane, Oregon State, UCLA, UTSA, Troy, NC State

What would be interesting is to see the final AP rankings by year with their average ranking over 5 years and compare it with recruiting over that period.

What I think you will find is that a few programs consistently overperform and a few consistently underperform and that those programs may reveal what is being done right and what is being done wrong.

Just guessing over the last 5 years Texas, Florida, Miami, TAMU and Auburn have probably significantly underperformed.

While Utah, NC State, Kansas State, and probably a few others I can't think of like maybe Wake Forest have significantly over performed.

Another factor that is difficult to account for is the competition level. No offense against teams like UTSA, Troy and even Tulane who are all overperforming, but they haven't exactly been playing the same schedule as Auburn, TAMU or Texas.
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I used the rankings from Rivals.
 
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