Reggie Ball in the classroom.

Geetee said:
refrigeratormover said:
Yet, our high priced coach allows this happen..again.
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Here's a thought! Try putting the whole quote in there next time Geetee. Nice spin though and sorry I won't fall for it.

I'm not happy with Gailey right now either but as a former player and student IT FALLS ON THE STUDENT. The kid is 22 or 23 if he cared enough he would have taken the proper measures to make sure he had the grades. You wan't to blame Gailey, go right ahead. That's your right!

When are we going to hold these kids accountable?
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For those of you harping on Gailey for his quote about knowing sooner and maybe being able to do something if he did........

My daughter goes to Tech.....I can't see her grades or know how she is doing in class unless she tells me.....and the only way I find out if she was telling me the truth is at the end of the semester when the grades are published. (small bragging moment...this semester 4.0) So I suspect that the GTAA academic counselors and coaches have to rely on the SA to tell them their situation.......If you look at the quote with that understanding, it makes sense. Reggie probably led them to believe he was OK.
 
mookie43 said:
For those of you harping on Gailey for his quote about knowing sooner and maybe being able to do something if he did........

My daughter goes to Tech.....I can't see her grades or know how she is doing in class unless she tells me.....and the only way I find out if she was telling me the truth is at the end of the semester when the grades are published. (small bragging moment...this semester 4.0) So I suspect that the GTAA academic counselors and coaches have to rely on the SA to tell them their situation.......If you look at the quote with that understanding, it makes sense. Reggie probably led them to believe he was OK.
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If your daughter had played football for Curry, Ross or O'Leary, you would have known whether she told you or not.
 
Only because it wasn't the law then that only students can see their grades unless they release them.
 
And the coach has no leverage to gain that consent? Another genius remark by ncjacket.
 
jacketup said:
If your daughter had played football for Curry, Ross or O'Leary, you would have known whether she told you or not.
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Remember kids, O'Leary was a paragon of academic virtue! He kept everyone eligible all the time!

Sanctions? What sanctions? We're on sanctions?
 
I didn't say that the coaches don't have access jacketup. I was simply pointing out that your comment was about a time before the law changed. Follow?
 
jacketup said:
This would not have happened under Curry, Ross or O'Leary. Curry was more forgiving than O'Leary, but all three of those guys monitored class attendance.
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Oh Bull****. I was in class with MANY of O'Leary's players and if some of them attended class 1/3rd of the time I'd be impressed. Not to mention the "extra perks" many of them got, like un-monitored test taking, etc. I know. I saw it up close.
 
If a senior SA goes to most classes and goes to the more important tutoring sessions without an Ipod headset, it is very, very hard to get put on academic probation or whatever it is that is keeping them out of the GB.

Of course this is only based on both of them being in "Good" standing when the semester started. If one or both of them were behind the 8 ball in September for any one of various possibilities, this result is a no-brainer.
 
mookie43 said:
For those of you harping on Gailey for his quote about knowing sooner and maybe being able to do something if he did........

My daughter goes to Tech.....I can't see her grades or know how she is doing in class unless she tells me.....and the only way I find out if she was telling me the truth is at the end of the semester when the grades are published. (small bragging moment...this semester 4.0) So I suspect that the GTAA academic counselors and coaches have to rely on the SA to tell them their situation.......If you look at the quote with that understanding, it makes sense. Reggie probably led them to believe he was OK.
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I hear ya, Mookie My daughter goes to Berry and I have no clue as to how she is doing until the end of the semester. Gee, you would think these colleges would keep parents informed. Incidentally, congrats to your daughter you must be very proud. Ultimately, the SAs are responsible these boys are young men and should know better regardless of whether or not the coach is checking up on them but apparently some of them need to learn life's lessons the hard way.
 
BarrelORum said:
Oh Bull****. I was in class with MANY of O'Leary's players and if some of them attended class 1/3rd of the time I'd be impressed. Not to mention the "extra perks" many of them got, like un-monitored test taking, etc. I know. I saw it up close.
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Were you an SA?

I was is school from Sept 83-Dec 87 as a scholarship SA. I was men's tennis team captain and three year starter. I never got jack. The only thing I ever got of value from the AA was freshman tutoring for math and the ability to sign up for classes first so that we wouldn't get registered for a class that interferred with practice.

The 'word' was horrible through the AA. It was better at my fraternity. Being an SA actually hurt me academically with a handful of profs.

One accounting professor (Bryan Chruch) wouldn't allow a teammate and I to travel to a sanctioned NCAA match in Cancun, Mexico and change a test date. He said he would flunk both of us for the class even if we recieved A's on all 9 other tests. I asked him why? He said if we took the test early we would give it to others. If we took it late we would get it from others. I swore we wouldn't. He said he didn't believe me. I took it to Dean Dull and he refused to override the prof. And now I'm a cpa. What a jackass.

BTW, I skipped half my classes and no one from the AA checked (it was all up to the coach). Now for football they did.

I never recieved any special test, class, or cheated in anyway. Nor did any of my teammates. Nor did any of the girls tennis team. Nor did any of the golfers (I knew several of them very well). Nor did any of the girls volleyball players (I also knew one well). I never saw it with any of the revenue sports but fridgemover could speak to that. He would know, he was BMOC at the time and studied his arse off, as I remember.

FWIW, Carol Moore was my academic advisor. She didn't do jack. I had one or two meeting with her in three years. No academic advisement whatsoever. Imagine when I heard that 'flunkgate' had occurred how I was not surprised.

If what you saw was the truth under O'Leary's watch things have changed dramatically...
 
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When I was at Tech I had a few players in my classes one of which was Travis Best.And I can say that Best was in Class more then most of the other students in the class and the same thing with Kerry Watkins. Those where the only two I had classes with but both took there academics seriously.I am not sure if it was the coaches we had then or the fact that some students realize how lucky they are to get an education at Georgia Tech.
 
gtyellowjackets said:
Were you an SA?

I was is school from Sept 83-Dec 87 as a scholarship SA. I was men's tennis team captain and three year starter. I never got jack. The only thing I ever got of value from the AA was freshman tutoring for math and the ability to sign up for classes first so that we wouldn't get registered for a class that interferred with practice.

The 'word' was horrible through the AA. It was better at my fraternity. Being an SA actually hurt me academically with a handful of profs.

One accounting professor (Bryan Chruch) wouldn't allow a teammate and I to travel to a sanctioned NCAA match in Cancun, Mexico and change a test date. He said he would flunk both of us for the class even if we recieved A's on all 9 other tests. I asked him why? He said if we took the test early we would give it to others. If we took it late we would get it from others. I swore we wouldn't. He said he didn't believe me. I took it to Dean Dull and he refused to override the prof. And now I'm a cpa. What a jackass.

BTW, I skipped half my classes and no one from the AA checked (it was all up to the coach). Now for football they did.

I never recieved any special test, class, or cheated in anyway. Nor did any of my teammates. Nor did any of the girls tennis team. Nor did any of the golfers (I knew several of them very well). Nor did any of the girls volleyball players (I also knew one well). I never saw it with any of the revenue sports but fridgemover could speak to that. He would know, he was BMOC at the time and studied his arse off, as I remember.

If what you saw was the truth under O'Leary's watch things have changed dramatically...
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GTYJ, I am tempted to call complete BS on you!

I got out right before you, and had all the tutoring in the world.
Without it, I would have had to study. (even harder)

GTAA tutoring was an awesome force for every Tech athlete back then. I will bet you a dollar that it is better today.

Full ride or not, GT athletes have no reason to flunk out if they are in the right major, and if they try.
I do have simpathy for Reggie though.

I sincerely hope that he bounces back from this. I know that Tech will do everything it can to help this kid graduate with respect.
 
Geetee said:
Yet, we try to play both sides of the fence saying we're not a football factory. We are and we're on NCAA probation now because of it. Unfortunately, we don't have any titles to show for it.
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Got your Chick-fil-a tix yet Geetee.
 
pocket_watch said:
GTYJ, I am tempted to call complete BS on you!

I got out right before you, and had all the tutoring in the world.
Without it, I would have had to study. (even harder)

GTAA tutoring was an awesome force for every Tech athlete back then. I will bet you a dollar that it is better today.

Full ride or not, GT athletes have no reason to flunk out if they are in the right major, and if they try.
I do have simpathy for Reggie though.

I sincerely hope that he bounces back from this. I know that Tech will do everything it can to help this kid graduate with respect.
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Sorry, but what I say is true. My first quarter freshman year I partied a little too much (joined a fraternity, pledgship, you know) was a little overwhelmed by the level of academics, and the time commitment for tennis.

I got a 1.8 gpa and immediately went on 'warning'. I was freaking out. I had my father call George Slayton at Christmas and ask for suggestions (my coach never said anything to me). George said that all SA's were required to attend study hall for two or three hours, 5 night per week, until they were back on 'good' standing. Tutoring was only a suggestion.

The only thing I was required to do was sign in and out for study hall. No monitoring occurred. No one ever checked to see which tutorials I went to.

There was no further academic counseling. I got a 2.8 gpa the next quarter (or something like that) and was back on 'good standing'.

I continued to go to tutoring about half the time (for the remainder of my freshman year), on my own, for math because it had really helped me. There were less than 12 people on average that attended each two hour tutorial. Pat Swilling was the only guy that went to every one of them.

I went onto 'warning' one other quarter in my junior year when I got another 1.8 gpa. Carol Moore was running things and I was not even required to do anything. No mandatory study hall. No academic counseling. No turtorials. Nothing. I got a 3.0 gpa the next quarter and was back on 'good standing'. My overall gpa was something like a 2.5 at that point.

FWIW, there really wasn't any tutorials for any classes after the freshman year. I remeber trying to get some tutorial as a junior for linear programming, production, several economics and several accounting classes and there wasn't any.
 
When I was 22 years old, my dad would have told me it was my own damn fault if I flunked out. I was on academic probabtion during my freshman year - which is a GPA hole you never fully escape. I knew myself that I either picked it up or start digging ditches.

It was my fault when I was on probation when I was 18, it's Reggie's fault that he is now.
 
manjano mdudu said:
I'm embarassed by how we're treating Reggie. He's still a Tech man and we should back him.
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You know you're right but...

He's under such incredible scrutiny and his every move is recorded. I would have been scared sh**less. I would have walked the straight and narrow BIGTIME, if I had been in his shoes.

I'd have been scared to miss class, flunk a class, show up late for a practice, hook up with the wrong girl etc...

Guess he just couldn't handle it.
 
So is this fact?

A guy who people know cheated on exams also gave the Commencement Address at a GEORGIA TECH graduation?

At GEORGIA TECH?

Wow.
 
gtyellowjacket, I saw a lot of questionable stuff. And I had very close friends on the baseball team and football team. I sat in classes with James Forrest, Travis Best, about the entire starting lineup for the 94 baseball team, half the offensive line for the football team, etc. etc. etc. And YES, there were definately perks.
 
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