Reggie's optimal use...

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Reggie\'s optimal use...

In light of a reoccurring debate that I've seen about Reggie being a good/average/bad college QB I would like to ask what is the optimal use for Reggie? If you had to design a system that gave you the greatest chance of succeeding with him what would that be? I think the obvious answer is the option but would it be worth it to recruiting/CJ/the rest of the offense/the risk of injury?

Watching A&M and WVU play their respective rivalries at the end of last week made me think about how Reggie would absolutely tear it up in an option style offense, not only that but when you make the defense cover the option it freezes a lot of blitzing schemes. I’m not talking we run the Nebraska-Osbourne/Zolich offense here, but using it effectively as a wrinkle sure seems to me like a good alternative, thoughts?
 
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If the answer needs to have RB at qb, I think its absolutely necessary to run an option style offense.

Stating the obvious, we hit a wall this year inside the +15 yard line. Predictability in the redzone was a huge factor in the inability to score points.
 
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Could he be our Quincy? I don't have the time, but I'd be interested in seeing the stat comparison for QC and RB for their respective three years. Didn't QC leave the mutts feeling awfully similar to this while he was at Ugag?
 
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I've alwys thought Reggie would be dominate in an offense like what West Virginia uses. It seems to me that when a kid runs the way Reggie is capable of running, you mold your offense to suit his strengths and downplay his weaknesses.
 
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Could he be our Quincy?

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JJ, I have made mention of this in several of my posts.

I heard today on the Buck & Kinckade Show on 680theFAN that some unnamed Asst. Coach at some unnamed program referred to Reggie Ball as a Coach Killer a player that is good enough to be put into the game, but one that will usually make enough mistakes to cause you to lose the game. Particularly if it is a game of big importancce.
 
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I've said this since day one of this year..Reggie is a distraction to the offense. He is as unsure as to what he is going to do each play as the coaches are. No one can find any rythym. opposing defenses play us like they were up against an option offense as it is today anyway, that's easy to see. If you can't keep Reggie in the Pocket then put in one of the big tall arms like Garner or Bennett. Then use Reggie as a Receiver that will, without a doubt, get you alot of yards after the catch. Reggie can also run punts and kick-offs, and from time to time take a hand off for with option to to run or pass. I'd have Reggie playing DB as well. This will get Reggie into the NFL a helleva lot faster. Keep in mind..as good as Marcus Vick is at running the ball, watch how well disciplined he is at staying in the pocket. He runs only as a last resort. Reggie runs alomost 80% of the time on passing downs and by doing so closes off two thirds of his targets....defenses know that all too well. which is why reggie only completes less than half of his passes.
 
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I've said this since day one of this year..Reggie is a distraction to the offense. He is as unsure as to what he is going to do each play as the coaches are. No one can find any rythym. opposing defenses play us like they were up against an option offense as it is today anyway, that's easy to see. If you can't keep Reggie in the Pocket then put in one of the big tall arms like Garner or Bennett. Then use Reggie as a Receiver that will, without a doubt, get you alot of yards after the catch. Reggie can also run punts and kick-offs, and from time to time take a hand off for with option to to run or pass. I'd have Reggie playing DB as well. This will get Reggie into the NFL a helleva lot faster. Keep in mind..as good as Marcus Vick is at running the ball, watch how well disciplined he is at staying in the pocket. He runs only as a last resort. Reggie runs alomost 80% of the time on passing downs and by doing so closes off two thirds of his targets....defenses know that all too well. which is why reggie only completes less than half of his passes.

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If what you say is TRUE; then CCG should have given DBo those last 30-34 starts and RB should have been a WR many seasons ago!

I was banned from the HIVe for debating whether CCG had invested the 24 starts coming into this season in the MOST DESERVING QB; I have always felt that if DBo was given the last 30+ starts we would be a much better team and much different team the last 2 seasons!

Amazing; all the folks that said I was "crazy as hell"; the same ones that said, "RB will get IT this season, are now asking is RB gonna ever GET IT, and should he have been at QB all along?

I have always said that RB was a D-1AA or D-II QB, and unfortunately the last 3 seasons worth of games, has proven me correct; BTW I think RB was ranked #100 out 100 QBs in D-1A after 11 weeks of games.
 
Do what?

There are more than 100 D1 football teams. Which ones don't have QBs? I'd like to see that! Who takes the snap?

And #2, your opinion that because Ball is questionable that Bilbo was the answer is illogical. They went head to head when Ball was a TRUE FROSH. Coach always had the Bilbo option. Bilbo even shifted back for a few weeks IIRC. If he was better it would've been OBVIOUS.

Have you ever found anyone who agrees with you? Are we all too blind or what do you blame that on?
 
Comparison stats

QC Passing:
Opp. G/GS Att Cmp Pct. Yds INT TD
1998 11/11 290 176 .607 2484 9 12
1999 11/11 380 216 .568 2713 6 17
2000 7/7 183 91 .497 1250 10 6
TOTAL 29/29 853 483 .566 6447 25 35

RB Passing:
Passing G-GS Att- Cm Int Pct Yds TD
2003 13-13 350- 181 11 .517 1996 10
2004 12-12 330- 164 18 .497 2147 16
2005 10-10 342- 164 10 .480 1907 10
Tot 35-35 1022- 509 39 .498 6050 36

QC Rush:
Year G/GS Att Yards Per/Att. Per/Gm TD LG
1998 11/11 99 284 2.9 25.8 4 49
1999 11/11 102 255 2.5 23.2 5 56
2000 7/7 50 67 1.3 9.6 2 19
Total 29/29 251 606 2.4 20.8 11 56

RB Rush:
Rushing G Att Yds Avg TD
2003 13 139 384 2.8 3
2004 12 130 332 2.6 2
2005 10 93 466 4.1 4
Tot 35 362 1182 3.2 9

Sorry if the format is off and the columns don't line up
 
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There are more than 100 D1 football teams. Which ones don't have QBs? I'd like to see that! Who takes the snap?

And #2, your opinion that because Ball is questionable that Bilbo was the answer is illogical. They went head to head when Ball was a TRUE FROSH. Coach always had the Bilbo option. Bilbo even shifted back for a few weeks IIRC. If he was better it would've been OBVIOUS.

Have you ever found anyone who agrees with you? Are we all too blind or what do you blame that on?

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In order to be ranked I think that a QB has to play in 75% of his team's games; either way they cut the list off at 100; for a few WEEKS THIS SEASON, RB wasn't even in that TOP 100, which means he was ranked between 101-117!

Are you happy with this kind of QB play AFTER 35 STARTS?

There were a lot of posters other than me than that thought that someone that was #1 on the depth chart after 1 week of fall practice DID NOT deserve to BE REMOVED FROM THE depth chart at QB COMPLETELY!

He did that same thing with Pat carter; 4 games into the season (last year) when RB was screwing up and folks were calling for the backup-QB (then Pat Carter); CCG did the same damn thing; he took his #2 QB completely OFF OF THE QB DEPTH CHART and moved him to WR!

With this track record for hijinks with the QB depth chart we have no IDEA WHAT DBo or PC would have grown into!

I wonder what Carson Palmer and Jason Campbell (both 1st rnd. draft picks) would have done had they played for CCG and he tried to MOVE THEM TO WR for not developing "fast enough"!

What's really amazing is that the same CRITERIA that CCG used with DBo and PC; he REFUSES TO USE IT WITH RB, a player that has clearly REGRESSED DESPITE 35 STARTS AT QB; if you are "into" moving players off of the QB depth chart because they don't "get it"; then RB should have been moved many moons ago!

What say you?

Are my "facts" incorrect"

Am I missing something?

Inquiring minds want to know!
 
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Spot on. CCG take allot of credit in the QB department for his NFL prodigies when the fact remains he was simply handed 4 superstars. (OK maybe just 3.. Cordell was a one year wonder) The real sad fact is that CCG won't change his mind next year and we'll be stuck with having to win with the defense and the 98th ranked offense....again. I wonder if any of this is costing CJ precious NFL dollars bacause his catch totals are lower than they could be?
 
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The answer is, was, and always will be that we have to recruit a more talented QB. To argue which of our below-average talents should be playing gets us nowhere.
 
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How do you know we have below averaga talent on the squad?

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When your STARTER is ranked around #100 out of 117 D-1A QBs for 3 straight seasons; one can REASONABLY ASSUME that the talent is BELOW AVERAGE!
 
the key stats

are a 49% complete rate and MORE ints than TDs.That is terrible unless you run the wishbone/ or related and your QB is basically a runner and a threat to score from 50 ( which RB isn't)
 
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He wasnt and isnt our coach killer

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He has a bowl game and maybe next season to be Gailey's killer, 5 year extension not withstanding. And the jury is still out on whether Patrick Nix ( his POSITION COACH) will be back next year or not. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/duel.gif
 
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