revelation in F$U cheating scandel.....

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law_bee

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http://floridastate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1002065


- Former academic adviser Brenda Monk, who resigned after being implicated, said one athlete she was accused of helping cheat had an IQ of 60 and couldn't read the test questions.
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obviously this is sad if someone cannot read HOWEVER should that person be allowed to participate is College sports?

It appears a main reason the NCAA does not want these records released is b/c you are going to hear about players not being able to read or function at even a high school level.
 
law_bee said:
http://floridastate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1002065




obviously this is sad if someone cannot read HOWEVER should that person be allowed to participate is College sports?

It appears a main reason the NCAA does not want these records released is b/c you are going to hear about players not being able to read or function at even a high school level.
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Ho-Lee ****. If this is true, then everything...everything... FSU has ever done, good and bad, is out the window. Stealing shoes? Getting copious amounts of free clothes? Done.

This will bury that school's football program.
 
http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/1061/857345.pdf

page 229 line 11

describes how the witness testified that she was using an 8th grade book to help a student on a 2nd grade reading level and if you go back a few pages she also states that she would help w/ sentence structure (verbs and subjects and that "stuff")

It is becoming quite clear why the NCAA does not want this stuff out there IMO.
 
page 229

MR. LECHNER: That may be a fact, but
12 I find it hard to believe when you just
13 explained to me that you had an eighth-grade
14 book and a student with a second-grade reading
15 level where you had to read the book to the
16 student, walk the student through the book, and
17 you are telling me that whatever the student
18 said you took verbatim. ['
19 ~ find it hard to bel~eve that. If
20 that is the case, fine. But from my point of
21 view, I find it difficult.
 
page 228

MR. LECHNER: I am not talking about
17 the physical layout of the writing where the
18 verbs and adjectives were, hanging prepositions,
19 split definitives. Did you criticize the
20 substance of it?
21 MS. MONK: Yes. I mean, we talked
22 about how they developed the writing and were
23 they on track. !
24 MR. LECHNER: Did
 
page 224

A lot of times IVe IVould just do -- it
24 was almost like paired reading. They would read
25 a paragraph, become very tired, and I would read
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1 the paragraph. So, we would read the story, the
2 short story from beginning to end.
3
 
page 220

MS. MONK: To change their thoughts/
21 no. To change their grammar, yes.
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There would
22 be times where they would have a writing
23 disability, or even if they were dyslexia, and
24 their language would be very mixed up, and so I
25 would guide them to the correct way to say a
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1 sentence.
2 They might have the verb in front of
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3 the noun, and the preposition hung out there
4 somewhere, or it may be jumbled up and they made
5 up words. Those were things that I would guide
6 them through so that through their disability
7 they would be able to construct a paper that
8 would be legible for someone to read.
 
I see now why the NCAA wants this kept under wraps. This isn't bad for FSU. This is bad for college football. This will be college football's version of steroids. We all know that FSU isn't the only school doing this.

I'll go on record and say if a Georgia Tech student-athlete was involved in something like this, I would whole-heartedly support boarding up the entire athletic department.
 
I worked with
10 as many as 65 students, and out of those 65
11 students there were probably two or three each
12 semester that would require more of my time
13 based on the severity of their learning
. -; 14 disabili ty.
 
several times during the tv broadcast last saturday, they mentioned that the school president was "leaving" at the end of the year. me thinks this might have been part of his decision....
 
GBurdell said:
several times during the tv broadcast last saturday, they mentioned that the school president was "leaving" at the end of the year. me thinks this might have been part of his decision....
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bowden repeated this week he is not leaving, so someone has to :P
 
law_bee said:
http://floridastate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1002065




obviously this is sad if someone cannot read HOWEVER should that person be allowed to participate is College sports?

It appears a main reason the NCAA does not want these records released is b/c you are going to hear about players not being able to read or function at even a high school level.
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Remember several years ago the revelation that Dexter Manley of the Redskins and veteran of four years of college could not read or write, period. This isn't a new issue. What makes this newsworthy, though, is that for 20 years the NCAA has been trying to police the member schools, and the schools continue to actively and energetically evade enforcement. Death penalty time. It is the only way to grab their attention.
 
There is nothing surprising about the situation up at FSU at all, it's commonplace and has been going on for decades at many schools.

Several years ago, one of my clients had hired two brothers for a series of construction site clean up jobs over a summer, one of whom was a high level WR at Auburn and the other a good RB at Colorado.

When it came time to address their really simple written job orders every morning, they'd read them out loud to each other and if they couldn't reach 100% agreement about what some the jobs of the day were, they'd go from worker to worker and ask "what do you think they mean by this".

This evidently was an actual coping technique that they'd developed over the years (consciously or not, because it sure seemed to work for them and they were very natural & disingenuous about it).

The sad part was that they'd graduated from a local high school with a decent reputation, spent 4-5 years in college and they simply couldn't process fundamental job directives.
 
law_bee said:
I worked with
10 as many as 65 students, and out of those 65
11 students there were probably two or three each
12 semester that would require more of my time
13 based on the severity of their learning
. -; 14 disabili ty.
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law_bee, are you aware that learning disabilities are covered under ADA? There are set procedures and tests that States use to establish this disability. Once established, concessions are made to assist the designated student. However, I don't believe a 60IQ would qualify. It must be a difference in the way the brain processes information.
 
I can tell ya for certain that certain athletes at that school we hate, are fairly close to this category. Sad but True.
 
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