Roof in the running for Aub DC gig

[Flywheel]

Roof is an improvement over our last 2 DCs. Plus, his Gwinnett connections are paying dividends on the recruiting trail. Losing him would not help us at all.

Tenuta may have had one game plan with an exploitable flaw, but geez he was good at it. I would take getting torched by 7-yard passes all game long twice a year if it meant keeping all other opponents under 14 points. We've shown we can score. Get CPJ 3 or 4 punts per game, and he almost always wins.

As a head coach, trying to think about CPJ's O and Tenuta's D in the same week would cause migraines.

 

[ScionOfSouthland]

there is no way to actually compare coaches because they also coached against different level of opponents and with different quality of players under their direction

here is what we all know: Tenuta has ONE gameplan. blitz hard and leave the outside and deep unprotected. that works well when the opposing QB is average or their offensive line is poor. when you play an elite team, it is a sure-fire way to get beat badly in one-on-one matchups.

the guy has gone nowhere, yet some here still adore him even though he would not recruit, and barely seems to have a relationship to his team, much less the university he works for

Tenuta's scheme would be awesome for a team like Georgia Southern or Georgia State. But not for us.

Charles Kelly was the best D guy we had here, better than Tenuta or Roof, imo

note that he coaches for one of the teams that have been elite over the last few years

Couldn't agree more - we didn't put a ring on CCK when the time was right and he got away.

 

[Ish]

here is what we all know: Tenuta has ONE gameplan. blitz hard and leave the outside and deep unprotected. that works well when the opposing QB is average or their offensive line is poor. when you play an elite team, it is a sure-fire way to get beat badly in one-on-one matchups.

It sure worked pretty öööö well against:
2003 Auburn
2003 FSU
2004 UGA
2005 Auburn
2005 Miami
2005 UGA
2006 Notre Dame
2006 UGA
2007 Clemson

all of those teams were ranked, some in the top 10, and were held mostly between 10-20 points. We lost several of them due to our anemic offense.

tired of this bullshit about Tenuta's defense being öööö against elite teams.

 

[aeromech]

Sorry to disagree aero. I don't recall many DL's that made it to the next level that played while Tenura was the DC. .....

Derrick Morgan
Michael Johnson
Darryl Richard
Darrell Robertson
Vance Walker

All are either playing, got drafted, or got signed by NFL teams and all of them were on the 2007 GT roster. We were loaded with talent up front when Tenuta was here.

 

[Ish]

Derrick Morgan
Michael Johnson
Darryl Richard
Darrell Robertson
Vance Walker

All are either playing, got drafted, or got signed by NFL teams and all of them were on the 2007 GT roster. We were loaded with talent up front when Tenuta was here.

Johnson, Robertson, and Walker took a few years to develop, so I think Tenuta should get credit for that.

Morgan was a stud from the get-to but he did not play much DE for Tenuta.

 

[BuzzCzar]

Tenuta wasnt much of a coach, imo.

"I think one of the reasons why Jon's on the field now is to say, listen, we'll have a few calls here and there. Let's just play fast. Let's just play hard. Don't try to outscheme anybody."

wow, some gameplan

 

[flushed 01]

It sure worked pretty öööö well against:
2003 Auburn
2003 FSU
2004 UGA
2005 Auburn
2005 Miami
2005 UGA
2006 Notre Dame
2006 UGA
2007 Clemson

all of those teams were ranked, some in the top 10, and were held mostly between 10-20 points. We lost several of them due to our anemic offense.

tired of this bullshit about Tenuta's defense being öööö against elite teams.

If it weren't for JT, CCG would not have won 3 games a year.

 

[rghoae]

It sure worked pretty öööö well against:
2003 Auburn
2003 FSU
2004 UGA
2005 Auburn
2005 Miami
2005 UGA
2006 Notre Dame
2006 UGA
2007 Clemson

all of those teams were ranked, some in the top 10, and were held mostly between 10-20 points. We lost several of them due to our anemic offense.

tired of this bullshit about Tenuta's defense being öööö against elite teams.

Exactly. And even the classic Matty Ice game, that the Tenuta detractors bring up against him had the most elite QB we've played in at least a decade, playing one of his best games ever, gave up only 24 points in 12 BC drives (not including the half ending drive). It included 7 punts, 1 fumble, 3 TDs and 1 FG.

What wouldn't we give for a defense that allowed only 1 scoring play in every 3 possessions?

It's to Tenuta's defense's credit that despite Ryan playing the game of a career (and he had 30/44 completions), we only gave up 24 points (at a time before rule changes and an offense that shortened the game).

All that being said, would I want Tenuta back? Almost certainly not. He is not a recruiter and the last thing we need right now in addition to an offense that is already recruited against, is a DC who won't recruit, or is bad at it. He was a great DC during Chan Gailey's time, and a lot of credit to that goes to Chan Gailey, who for all his flaws, was able to recruit very well despite scholarship reductions, Tech's inbuilt disadvantages, and a DC who wouldn't recruit. And it was this environment, which not many other HCs would be able to recreate, that allowed Tenuta to flourish as a DC here.

 

[FatJacket]

Guff Smith for DC!

 

[FatJacket]

Guff Smith for DC!

We could use some more DemJackets on ST.

 

[saxondawg]

Captain Obvious here, but while all the comparisons of DCs are fine and good, 90 percent of the issue is talent. Roof has been an upgrade from my observation, and I think the stats would probably bear that out. I don't look at Tech and see any deficit in coaching. Auburn wouldn't be looking at Roof (again) if he didn't have the goods. He's developed the talent he had at Tech pretty well, but GT needs to find some way to get its hands on at least a few next-level difference-makers on defense. Spurrier showed what happened the three years he had Clowney and a couple of other elite guys--three eleven-win seasons in a row. SC had much the same average talent, but Clowney, Shaw, and Lattimore completely changed the equation.

The '08/'09 Jackets had a handful of guys like Burnett and D. Morgan that could make plays in close games--which GT had plenty of this year. Tech needs maybe three more blue-chips per year on defense at the key spots. I know all the reasons that's hard, but even Chan got that one great class in '07 (8 4-stars on Rivals).

I think Roof is doing a better job on the recruiting front, but the whole talent-gathering operation needs to be ramped up in accordance with what other programs are doing. Recruiting is a silly business in many ways but it's all about 17-year-olds (and younger, actually). A Tech education is an incredible selling point from your perspective and mine, but it doesn't always sell to kids.

This is an arms race, and if you don't stockpile a few weapons it doesn't really matter who the coach is.

 

[travgt01]

Captain Obvious here, but while all the comparisons of DCs are fine and good, 90 percent of the issue is talent. Roof has been an upgrade from my observation, and I think the stats would probably bear that out. I don't look at Tech and see any deficit in coaching. Auburn wouldn't be looking at Roof (again) if he didn't have the goods. He's developed the talent he had at Tech pretty well, but GT needs to find some way to get its hands on at least a few next-level difference-makers on defense. Spurrier showed what happened the three years he had Clowney and a couple of other elite guys--three eleven-win seasons in a row. SC had much the same average talent, but Clowney, Shaw, and Lattimore completely changed the equation.

The '08/'09 Jackets had a handful of guys like Burnett and D. Morgan that could make plays in close games--which GT had plenty of this year. Tech needs maybe three more blue-chips per year on defense at the key spots. I know all the reasons that's hard, but even Chan got that one great class in '07 (8 4-stars on Rivals).

I think Roof is doing a better job on the recruiting front, but the whole talent-gathering operation needs to be ramped up in accordance with what other programs are doing. Recruiting is a silly business in many ways but it's all about 17-year-olds (and younger, actually). A Tech education is an incredible selling point from your perspective and mine, but it doesn't always sell to kids.

This is an arms race, and if you don't stockpile a few weapons it doesn't really matter who the coach is.

We need to annex the cheetah and six flags.

 

[THWG247]

I hope Roof stays, he's recruiting well and seems to make good halftime adjustment.

 

[JoeCakeEater]

The thing I like about Tenuta is his reliance on a very specific scheme that is effective, but can create issues for opposing offenses. This is similar to what our offense does. I do believe that us only seeing scout team quality players running traditional offenses in practice makes it öööö near impossible for us to have an elite defense. Maybe with Tenuta that wouldn't be the case.

His problem was that a 3 step drop west coast quarterback with some accuracy could light up the scoreboard against his heavy zone blitz scheme. Not sure if he could handle today's faster paced spread attacks. Also, we used to have much more talent on the defensive side of the ball. Gailey was committed to recruiting defense above offense, which made Tenuta perform even better. CPJ isnt going to do that. I'm always amazed when a great athlete is slated as an Aback/WR/BBack although his film looks best at corner, safety, etc.

 

[The Champ]

Exactly. And even the classic Matty Ice game, that the Tenuta detractors bring up against him had the most elite QB we've played in at least a decade, playing one of his best games ever, gave up only 24 points in 12 BC drives (not including the half ending drive). It included 7 punts, 1 fumble, 3 TDs and 1 FG.

What wouldn't we give for a defense that allowed only 1 scoring play in every 3 possessions?

It's to Tenuta's defense's credit that despite Ryan playing the game of a career (and he had 30/44 completions), we only gave up 24 points (at a time before rule changes and an offense that shortened the game).

All that being said, would I want Tenuta back? Almost certainly not. He is not a recruiter and the last thing we need right now in addition to an offense that is already recruited against, is a DC who won't recruit, or is bad at it. He was a great DC during Chan Gailey's time, and a lot of credit to that goes to Chan Gailey, who for all his flaws, was able to recruit very well despite scholarship reductions, Tech's inbuilt disadvantages, and a DC who wouldn't recruit. And it was this environment, which not many other HCs would be able to recreate, that allowed Tenuta to flourish as a DC here.

Exactly. Also One TD came when our Corner fell down, and another came after a PI on Gary Guyton where he literally didn't touch the guy.

 

[ibeeballin]

The thing I like about Tenuta is his reliance on a very specific scheme that is effective, but can create issues for opposing offenses. This is similar to what our offense does. I do believe that us only seeing scout team quality players running traditional offenses in practice makes it öööö near impossible for us to have an elite defense. Maybe with Tenuta that wouldn't be the case.

His problem was that a 3 step drop west coast quarterback with some accuracy could light up the scoreboard against his heavy zone blitz scheme. Not sure if he could handle today's faster paced spread attacks. Also, we used to have much more talent on the defensive side of the ball. Gailey was committed to recruiting defense above offense, which made Tenuta perform even better. CPJ isnt going to do that. I'm always amazed when a great athlete is slated as an Aback/WR/BBack although his film looks best at corner, safety, etc.

LOL! What? Name a 4* other than JT not recruited to play defense?

BJ bostic is the only one I can think of

 

[aeromech]

Johnson, Robertson, and Walker took a few years to develop, so I think Tenuta should get credit for that.

Morgan was a stud from the get-to but he did not play much DE for Tenuta.

Gotsis was a big project, who do we give credit for that...probably not all Roof; but still. It will be interesting to see what impact if any Gotsis makes in the NFL. If several of this year's DL's make it to the NFL, then I will join you in blaming coaching for the lack of effectiveness this year and last.

 

[ibeeballin]

I try to stay away but stupid comments or revisionist history continues to bring me back. To add to the idiocy of bringing up BC/Matt Ryan, as for someone who was standing on the sideline, name a TD throw that wasn't an absolute dime or in good coverage? BC max protected the entire game to counter the blitz. As many of said, I would be extremely happy our D could make another team punt 7 times and give up 24pts.


Tenuta gameplan was to stop the run and attack pass protections with his zone blitz scheme. More than 50% of the blitzes had cov 3 behind it meaning the voids are the flats and weak side zone area behind the safety who playing the curl area.

 

[05GTCorndog]

2006: Matt Ryan scores 24 points
2015: Matt Ryan scores 223 points, throws for 900 yards, and BC only punts once (only to give punter an in-game rep)

 

[Ish]

yeah I don't really get why people hang Tenuta out to dry for giving up 24 points to the eventual #3 overall pick in that year's draft.