Rules for portal

[andrew]

I think that student-athletes are not normal students. That’s why the hyphen. They have committed to play for a school that has invested mucho denaro in them, so something like a no compete might be in order. If they want to be treated like employees, and have the right to move around, schools should have the right to limit subsequent movement. For example, they can move but only to a lower division. Or only to another conference. Or maybe only to a team not on our schedule in your span of playing years.

I agree, but while the players want to be treated like employees, the schools absolutely don't want that. Any argument that involves the word "employee" is not one you will hear the NCAA make until they lose in court.

 

[Dcgt4542]

There will be many iterations of this regardless of how we as fans feel about it. Players and coaches and schools and boosters and everyday fan and alumni want what they feel is best for them. More fun for them. What they like and what motivates them to spend money their way for entertainment. At some point and it will happen is all of these groups and sub groups will vote with their wallet and time allotment. Some will stay and some will go but college football has a new life if it’s own. Boundaries are tested and inertia takes hold and can take bad turns. Unpredictable turns. Unintended consequences. And all the suggestions to make it what our group wants will run into this inertia. I for one know what I want. Not my way is right. Just what I want as an everyday fan. I want traditional college football and the less of it I get the less of me it gets. Selfish. Yes. My trend line is I seem to care less everyday. My meager money contributions have already stopped. More free TV is about it for me. Some groups win and some lose.

 

[stinger78]

I agree, but while the players want to be treated like employees, the schools absolutely don't want that. Any argument that involves the word "employee" is not one you will hear the NCAA make until they lose in court.

OK, how about "contractor." That also sets them apart from scholarship students. S-As are just a different animal. Trying to make them like either students or employees doesn't work. They're just different. It's probably good that we finally acknowledged this. However, they've always been treated differently. Even under the old moniker of "amateur" they were always given certain... amenities... food, clothing, training, tutoring, etc. Those all come with a cost, so there a certain transactional aspect to it all - always has been.

 

[Flywheel]

• Time travel is not possible
• There is only one universe across which to travel
• On the scale of 10^-35 meters, so only data can be transmitted
• Exotic matter required to keep them from collapsing

 

[andrew]

OK, how about "contractor." That also sets them apart from scholarship students. S-As are just a different animal. Trying to make them like either students or employees doesn't work. They're just different. It's probably good that we finally acknowledged this. However, they've always been treated differently. Even under the old moniker of "amateur" they were always given certain... amenities... food, clothing, training, tutoring, etc. Those all come with a cost, so there a certain transactional aspect to it all - always has been.

Contractors generally set their own rates and are paid only in cash, with few to no benefits, right? That seems like the exact opposite of what the NCAA wants, which is no cash and lots of benefits. And of course it would still be illegal for a bunch of schools to agree not to pay their contractors more than a set rate.

I think the only way we can get back to something resembling traditional college football is if Congress passes a law exempting it from antitrust regulations. Pretty much any argument anyone makes about this stuff is "college football is just different", which the Supreme Court specifically called out as not an acceptable argument:

And under ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different. The NCAA is not above the law.

If Congress were to pass a law about it, that would change the situation. It's not like free markets or antitrust law is enshrined in the Constitution, so we could indeed have laws making college football different. But as of right now, we don't, so the NCAA is extremely limited in what they can do.

 

[stinger78]

Contractors generally set their own rates and are paid only in cash, with few to no benefits, right? That seems like the exact opposite of what the NCAA wants, which is no cash and lots of benefits. And of course it would still be illegal for a bunch of schools to agree not to pay their contractors more than a set rate.

I think the only way we can get back to something resembling traditional college football is if Congress passes a law exempting it from antitrust regulations. Pretty much any argument anyone makes about this stuff is "college football is just different", which the Supreme Court specifically called out as not an acceptable argument:



If Congress were to pass a law about it, that would change the situation. It's not like free markets or antitrust law is enshrined in the Constitution, so we could indeed have laws making college football different. But as of right now, we don't, so the NCAA is extremely limited in what they can do.

Contractors typically have a "rate," but have to negotiate an agreed rate with a customer. Depending on how highly they are in demand they can either be rigid about their rate or not so much. While benefits per se are not included, especially taxable payroll benefits, they can negotiate time off, etc.
The NCAA is probably dead to all this at this point. Their model has been busted as the "amateur" concept got redefined - or maybe it was the S-A that got redefined as "not an amateur." I don't know. That's all just legal stuff beyond me. I think what we have now is nobody really knows what they are, but most know what they don't want them to be - employees. So then, if they're not amateurs, not purely students, not employees, and not contractors. What the heck are they? Whatever it is, it needs to get figured out so some fences can be legally erected, because it's killing the game as it is. I will never buy season seats again under this arrangement. My loyalty is to the school, less so the athlete, and the more the athlete becomes more and more like a pure free agent the less I am interested in him/her.

 

[FatJacket]

I think that student-athletes are not normal students. That’s why the hyphen. They have committed to play for a school that has invested mucho denaro in them, so something like a no compete might be in order. If they want to be treated like employees, and have the right to move around, schools should have the right to limit subsequent movement. For example, they can move but only to a lower division. Or only to another conference. Or maybe only to a team not on our schedule in your span of playing years.

That was the old rule. Idiot

 

[GoldenIsle]

Yep … let’s have no rules, fits this woke generation to a tee. Amateur/college athletics is dead … it is just one big free agency market.

 

[aeromech]

Contractors generally set their own rates and are paid only in cash, with few to no benefits, right? That seems like the exact opposite of what the NCAA wants, which is no cash and lots of benefits. And of course it would still be illegal for a bunch of schools to agree not to pay their contractors more than a set rate.

I think the only way we can get back to something resembling traditional college football is if Congress passes a law exempting it from antitrust regulations. Pretty much any argument anyone makes about this stuff is "college football is just different", which the Supreme Court specifically called out as not an acceptable argument:



If Congress were to pass a law about it, that would change the situation. It's not like free markets or antitrust law is enshrined in the Constitution, so we could indeed have laws making college football different. But as of right now, we don't, so the NCAA is extremely limited in what they can do.

We always set our contractor rates and they can either accept it or not. We also decide whether to supply them a workspace and equipment or not. I don't think there is much limiting what you can include or exclude in a contract.

 

[andrew]

We always set our contractor rates and they can either accept it or not. We also decide whether to supply them a workspace and equipment or not. I don't think there is much limiting what you can include or exclude in a contract.

Right, of course you could refuse to pay their rate or they could refuse yours.

But as far as I'm aware you can't go to your competitors and say "We'll all set all of our rates and benefits the same and refuse to pay more so we control the market and they have no choice but to accept if they want to work."

 

[ClubSeats]

Need to be changed with limits of 5 transfers, this is having a negative effect on college football. Also, need a 7 day time period to enter portal each year after the season is over.

What’s the “portal” and why does it need to be changed?

 

[BigDanT]

Need to be changed with limits of 5 transfers, this is having a negative effect on college football. Also, need a 7 day time period to enter portal each year after the season is over.

How do you limit it to 5 per team? A kid can’t transfer if 5 other players are already in?

 

[cincytechie]

Might as well make it a complete free-for-all. Let these kids transfer at halftime to the opposing team if they don't like their playing time or a position coach was mean to them. Play the first half for UCLA, transfer to USC at halftime, and then suit up for USC in the 2nd half.

 

[OptionJacket]

Yep … let’s have no rules, fits this woke generation to a tee. Amateur/college athletics is dead … it is just one big free agency market.

It’s been dead for decades. Remember the car that bought UGA the 1980 Natty? What I find funny is now that a lot of you are just realizing what has been going on it’s suppose to be some sort of emergency to fix. It’s not an emergency. It’s the same stuff that has been going on except now everyone can see it. I enjoy the games today the same as I did 40, 30, 20, and 10 years ago because I long ago accepted that players were being bought and sold.

Remember all those games you look back on fondly and with nostalgia? It was all corrupt then too. Vince Young? Bought. Reggie Bush? Bought. Natty’s? Bought. And little ole SMU had the nerve to play the game same as the old school guys and they got hammered. It’s just funny that now it’s an emergency. I hope they don’t fix a thing.

 

[gtrower]

It’s been dead for decades. Remember the car that bought UGA the 1980 Natty? What I find funny is now that a lot of you are just realizing what has been going on it’s suppose to be some sort of emergency to fix. It’s not an emergency. It’s the same stuff that has been going on except now everyone can see it. I enjoy the games today the same as I did 40, 30, 20, and 10 years ago because I long ago accepted that players were being bought and sold.

Remember all those games you look back on fondly and with nostalgia? It was all corrupt then too. Vince Young? Bought. Reggie Bush? Bought. Natty’s? Bought. And little ole SMU had the nerve to play the game same as the old school guys and they got hammered. It’s just funny that now it’s an emergency. I hope they don’t fix a thing.

What you’re describing is the evolution of NIL. I think the portal is actually what is making a lot of people lose interest. Even with factories buying players under the table, there was still hope of hitting big on underrated guys or snagging the occasional superstar who wanted to stay home.

That’s all but evaporated now. Even if we somehow land a stud (like Gibbs) he’ll just get bought out if he hits. My interest (obsession) with CFB plummeted the night Gibbs left. I don’t like NIL, but the unrestricted portal is what’s driven me to focusing on other sports.

 

[stinger78]

That was the old rule. Idiot

Well OK then.

Maybe the old rule is better.

 

[GBurdell]

Rampant tampering, inducing of college football players has coaches unsure about best path forward - CBSSports.com

Sources tell CBS Sports that NCAA officials have stood before coaches' conventions in both football and basketball asking for help nabbing those making impermissible contact. What they get back is little cooperation.
There is a code of silence in the coaching profession. The Mafia calls it omerta. So yes, a lot of this is on the coaches themselves for not speaking up. Either everything stays within the coaching fraternity, or perhaps one needs to step up and name names.

 

[Supersize that order mutt]

No sense creating a new thread for this, and I don't see it elsewhere ---

Offensive lineman Jordan Brown announced Friday that he is transferring to Georgia Tech.

Brown, a 6-foot-4, 315-pound lineman from Long Beach, Calif., played at Charlotte this season before he entered the transfer portal. Brown redshirted in the 2021 season and has three seasons of eligibility remaining. Brown played in seven games for the 49ers this season.

Tech signed six players from the portal Dec. 21, the first day of the early signing period, but Brown is the first offensive lineman signed out of the portal in this cycle. Tech listed five offensive linemen among the 19 high school players who signed in December.