Run-N-Shoot....

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I know this has been discussed some-what in other threads but I saw this article link from yesterday posted on another board and found it quite interesting:

http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/

I tend to agree with the article's supposition that we're not gonna see a lot of this in the CFA bowl simply because it is a time-intensive offensive concept and requires a lot of practice time just like the flexbone spread option offense that we run. So, personally, my opinion is that we will stick with what brought us here, so to speak, and probably will see something like a 80/20 ratio of run to pass in the bowl game against the tiggers. Of course, I have nothing to base that on, as I'm probably the least connected poster on this board. It's just my gut feeling.

I had heard PJ say that we were gonna install some of our Run-N-Shoot stuff during our bowl practices, but wasn't sure what that would look like. The article does a good job of outlining some of the basic concepts.

Anyway, the reason I bring this up is that it makes me salivate profusely when I think of this added "option" to our offense next year and beyond. I really think this offense is gonna be something to behold in the coming years when we open it up and get very proficient at the passing part of it! :D

Anyway, Merry Christmas to all and Happy New Year.

And GO JACKETS, beat the Tigers!
 
Yep, our offense is gonna be unbelievable next year. Especially with the run-n-shoot addition.
 
I expect that blog is probably very correct - I doubt we're unrolling the whole run and shoot package, but if we can get good enough at executing two or three run and shoot plays, including all the receiver reads that go into running them, then that'll be a deadly addition to the offense. It doesn't take many run and shoot plays to exploit a 9-in-the-box defense, which is what we'll be seeing from now until eternity.
 
If we get another 400 yard rushing game in CFA, are we even going to need run-n-shoot next year?

I suppose we could need it for 1-2 odd games when things don't work out.
 
If we get 420 and Maryland holds Nevada to under 250ish we will walk with the #1 rushing spot in CFB.
 
The amazing thing is that we have a legitimate chance to go for 350-450 on the ground every week. That is still mind-boggling to me. Most good teams wish for 225-250 a game.
 
JoltinJacket said:
The amazing thing is that we have a legitimate chance to go for 350-450 on the ground every week. That is still mind-boggling to me. Most good teams wish for 225-250 a game.
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I didn't expect this from a GT Stingtalker.

I thought we established that rush yards and option/pitch yards are not the same. That's what I get tired of hearing, that the offense is 1 dimensional, no it's not, there is at least one more dimension which is the threat of getting to the edge.

Another surprise for me after watching the navy game was how we use the B-back. Their B-Back Kettani had pretty much no potential to get outside on pitches, whereas Dwyer has been killing defenses on outside.
 
Their B-Back Kettani had pretty much no potential to get outside on pitches, whereas Dwyer has been killing defenses on outside.
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If Navy had a Dwyer, they'd be getting him outside, too.
 
cyptomcat said:
I didn't expect this from a GT Stingtalker.

I thought we established that rush yards and option/pitch yards are not the same. That's what I get tired of hearing, that the offense is 1 dimensional, no it's not, there is at least one more dimension which is the threat of getting to the edge.

Another surprise for me after watching the navy game was how we use the B-back. Their B-Back Kettani had pretty much no potential to get outside on pitches, whereas Dwyer has been killing defenses on outside.
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How are option/pitch yards not rushing yards? Are toss-sweep yards not rushing yards? Just asking.
 
midatlantech said:
Our whole season next year is going to hinge on how our DL plays.
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Do you really believe what you just typed? Our WHOLE season hinges ONLY on our DL?:confused:Our whole season hinges on the entire TEAM: coaches, players, trainers, etc.

So if our DL plays amazing, but our field goal kicker misses all his kicks and we fumble 5 times a game, we will still do well according to this statement. I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you were trying to get at by responding with an ultimatum for our DL to a statement I made about how much potential our offense has for next year.
 
cyptomcat said:
I didn't expect this from a GT Stingtalker.

I thought we established that rush yards and option/pitch yards are not the same. That's what I get tired of hearing, that the offense is 1 dimensional, no it's not, there is at least one more dimension which is the threat of getting to the edge.

Another surprise for me after watching the navy game was how we use the B-back. Their B-Back Kettani had pretty much no potential to get outside on pitches, whereas Dwyer has been killing defenses on outside.
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It's because we run the counter-option a fair bit. One A-back fakes in motion until he gets to the B-back, which makes the defense goes one way. Then, on the snap, he turns around and is a lead back to Dwyer, who now acts as an A-back on the play. Watch the Dwyer's big run in the UGA game and it'll all make sense. I haven't seen Navy run it at all in the games I've watched, but it's been money for us this year.
 
cyptomcat said:
If we get another 400 yard rushing game in CFA, are we even going to need run-n-shoot next year?

I suppose we could need it for 1-2 odd games when things don't work out.
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I think we definitely need it if nothing else, to keep the CB's honest during the game. I would think it would be nice to always have that threat of going deep with the pass if a defense is starting to cheat the corners in for run support. After all, our offense is one dimensional and is easy to stop....ALL it takes is discipline.:laugher:

beej67 said:
It doesn't take many run and shoot plays to exploit a 9-in-the-box defense, which is what we'll be seeing from now until eternity.
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See this is where I think the Run-N-Shoot plays, or any passing plays for that matter will put us in a major advantage over most defenses. Once our passing game gets rolling opposing team's DC's are gonna be stupid if they think 9-in-the-box with single-man coverage on BeBe and/or Corey Earls, Stephen Hill or whoever, PLUS Roddy Jones, Marcus Wright, or any of our other studs at A-back, is gonna get it done.

I would love to be able to read PJ's mind during games. My thinking is that he would be saying, "OK, you wanna put 9-in-the-box SOB, I'm gonna go long with Thomas on a post...BAM....6 points...How you like them apples?" Or....I guess Dwyer or Jones could keep busting 60+ yd runs for TD's every game...

Of course, this is all predicated on our O-line giving Nesbitt time to throw, which at times this year, they just couldn't accomplish. I think by next fall, it will be dramatically different in regards to Nesbitt being able to make reads, set his feet and throw. I think we'll see his accuracy drastically improve.

Another advantage I think it gives our offense, is that our B-backs, A-backs, and to a lesser extent QB's will be getting hit a lot less.

Man, I can't wait for the CFA bowl, and especially next year!
 
cajunjacket said:
Do you really believe what you just typed? Our WHOLE season hinges ONLY on our DL?:confused:Our whole season hinges on the entire TEAM: coaches, players, trainers, etc.

So if our DL plays amazing, but our field goal kicker misses all his kicks and we fumble 5 times a game, we will still do well according to this statement. I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you were trying to get at by responding with an ultimatum for our DL to a statement I made about how much potential our offense has for next year.
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Cajun, let me step in for Midatlantic here. I'm thinking what he means is that DL is our only big question mark for next year. He is assuming good play from every other area. If the DL performs, we are top ten material, 'cause the rest is already there.
 
JoltinJacket said:
The amazing thing is that we have a legitimate chance to go for 350-450 on the ground every week. That is still mind-boggling to me. Most good teams wish for 225-250 a game.
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Yeah it's pretty cool, huh? :biggthumpup:

I dunno if you read the Hive or GT Sports Blog but I spent much of the summer breaking down PJ's entire career to show just how mind-boggling our rushing attack was gonna be.

The funniest thing to me all summer was a long thread on the NCSU Scout board wondering who was gonna be #2 in the ACC in rushing -- as they all assumed to a man that Clemson would be #1. And almost none of them even had GT at #2!!!!

It just made me laugh. I mean did they know NOTHING about Paul Johnson? That's like hiring Mike Leach and June Jones into the league and assuming two other teams would throw for more than theirs do. It's just so ignorant it's ridiculous! :laugher:
 
optionqb said:
How are option/pitch yards not rushing yards? Are toss-sweep yards not rushing yards? Just asking.
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officially they are rush yards.

But IMO, when the QB is still in the play running to the sidelines and can keep the ball for a 'real' rush but instead he sees that his rush covered and pitches the ball, I think that's another dimension than pure 'real' rush.
 
Yaller Jacket said:
Cajun, let me step in for Midatlantic here. I'm thinking what he means is that DL is our only big question mark for next year. He is assuming good play from every other area. If the DL performs, we are top ten material, 'cause the rest is already there.
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Oh I see. I thought he was disputing that our offense has potential for next year. Because he didn't say anything about agreeing with my statement. He just made what I had assumed to be a counter-statement. Gotchas
 
cyptomcat said:
officially they are rush yards.

But IMO, when the QB is still in the play running to the sidelines and can keep the ball for a 'real' rush but instead he sees that his rush covered and pitches the ball, I think that's another dimension than pure 'real' rush.
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Yeah, really sucks that Nesbitt doesn't get statistical credit for yards on a pitch.

It's kind of like a pass, as far as I'm concerned.
 
So here's a question for you. When he pitches forward, while they're still in the backfield, is that a pitch (rush) or a screen pass? And if it's a rushing attempt, why? A shuffle pass is a pass play, right? because if it's dropped it's not a fumble and counts as passing yardage. So is a foward pitch a fumble if it's dropped?
 
ncjacket said:
So here's a question for you. When he pitches forward, while they're still in the backfield, is that a pitch (rush) or a screen pass? And if it's a rushing attempt, why? A shuffle pass is a pass play, right? because if it's dropped it's not a fumble and counts as passing yardage. So is a foward pitch a fumble if it's dropped?
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same question i asked, but noone has responded

i think in the NFL if the forward pitch is caught behind the line, it is a rushing play but not if it is caught past the LOS. or maybe that is college, i am not sure as to the rule right now
 
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