Should Utah be #1?

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I think one of the polls should have them at #1 and give them a share of the NC.
 
Guarantee that they will get a handful of #1 votes in the final poll. This will continue to fuel the fire for at least a +1 format.
 
Assume Texas handily beats tOSU on Monday. Who gets the game with the winner of OU-UF in a +1 format: Texas, USC, or Utah?
 
Unfortunately in a +1 Utah wouldn't have been in the discussion.
 
This issue is something that just disgusts me. As much as I hate all the non-BCS fans bitching and moaning when in reality 90% can't compete, I really don't understand why those schools are even in Div-1A if going undefeated isn't good enough for them to get into a national championship game. I mean, if you're playing for the championship of D.1-A, and you can beat everyone you play, you should be the best, right? If the schools you play are too weak, what the hell are they doing in D1-A? I know that this will never happen, but they should drop about half of the current schools in the subdivision that will never, ever compete on the big stage, and realign conferences using the left-overs. Seriously. This would eliminate the excuse of "well, they're not in a BCS conference, so they don't play real competition." To take it a step further, you could have reevaluations of football programs every 5 years or so to see if they need to be dropped and replaced with another team from a lower subdivision. With all of that said, I don't think that a bowl game in which you have over three weeks to prepare, and motivate your players is a real barometer of how well non-BCS schools compete with BCS schools. I want to see them competing week after week against these schools as opposed to one or two games you can circle and look forward to.
 
GTS - your paragraph popped an idea into my head. In Italian soccer, there are two levels: Serie A and Serie B. If a club team in Serie A does not do well in a given season, it drops to B. And if a team in A does not do well enough, it drops to B.

I don't think a system like the could be designed effectively, let alone ever be approved and implemented. But it would be interesting regardless.
 
Utah was VERY impressive, especially defensively. They were consistently in the backfield and held Bama to only 208 total yards.

Are they #1? No. Florida also beat Bama. They'd have to beat Florida to have a legitimate shot to say they are #1.
 
GTKyle said:
Are they #1? No. Florida also beat Bama. They'd have to beat Florida to have a legitimate shot to say they are #1.
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Not buying that. So using that logic does Utah have to beat Ole Miss too? Utah is the ONLY UNDEFEATED TEAM in the country and just beat Bama, who was #1 going into the final weekend of the college football regular season.

The Utah Utes *should* be 2008 MNC. The Mountain West Conference, top to bottom, was on par with most of the BCS conferences this year. The bottom half of most BCS conferences (not the ACC, which was consistently mediocre throughout) was atrocious this year. Check out the MWC OOC record before bowls.

I agree with GTSax...force all BCS conferences to expand to 16 teams and all others fall to FCS.
 
GTSaxophone said:
I really don't understand why those schools are even in Div-1A if going undefeated isn't good enough for them to get into a national championship game.
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Amen Amen Amen.

It's basic freaking logic, yet, for some reason, so many retards don't understand this. I know I would be pissed if GT was in Utah's shoes (conference, W-L record, etc.) and didn't get at least a split NC.

The fact is that Utah beat an Alabama team that was #1 in the country for the majority of 2008 and the only other team to do it was Florida. Unlike Florida, Utah was not defeated by any other team. It is unfair for the BCS to discriminate against Utah in this situation because you know that they would go into a BCS conference if they were ever given the option, but they aren't and cannot help it so they get shafted because of their lack-luster football history and its inability to get them into a BCS conference.
 
GTKyle said:
Utah was VERY impressive, especially defensively. They were consistently in the backfield and held Bama to only 208 total yards.
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Great point Kyle.

You need to be good on offense but, you HAVE to be GREAT on defense to be a top 5 team, Heck Utah could beat anyone if they played as well as last night. They played great defense!

Ugag had no defense that 1st half against Alabama (Just like we had none against LSU) and thus Alabama won in a cakewalk.. Utah was very sound last night. Mark May just said they beat Bammer on Defense and offense, in particular on the line of scrimmage which is always where it starts.

They gave us a blueprint last night at how to be a top 5 team...
 
I agree both with the idea that the bottom half of Div 1 should be dropped into their own group and that they should treat them like the soccer leagues. I think they do the same thing in England, too.
 
Yes. Utah is my 2009 MNC, for what it's worth.

For all the pomp and bluster about settling it on the field, the BCS really choked on it this year. OU just lost their only impressive victory, and shouldn't be playing against UF. UF's signature win over Bama was just tainted. Texas got hosed beyond belief. And Utah, the only team in the country without a loss will not be playing for #1, and will probably finish the season #3. I thought the playoff was the regular season... Utah should be #1, and if the AP writers had any balls, they'd vote that way.
 
This is a really good post from a GT fan on another board about Utah.

So what if the 3rd best team in the MWC lost to Arizona. The 3rd best team in the Pac-Ten (who beat USC) lost to Stanford. The 4th best team in the SEC (better comparison than 3rd since SEC has 4/3 as many teams) lost to Vanderbilt. That kind of thing happens.

Here are the key facts:
-Utah played 2 Top 10 teams this year and beat them both. The key win over Alabama was a double-digit victory in a virtual road game.
-Florida, if they defeat Oklahoma will also have 2 wins over Top 10 teams, both of which were at neutral sites.
-Utah will finish with a 4-0 record vs. the Sagarin Top 30 having beaten BYU and Oregon State in addition to Alabama and TCU.
-Florida will finish with a 4-1 record vs. the Sagarin Top 30, having beaten Georgia and Florida State, but having lost to Ole Miss at home.

So basically, the wins would be almost the same, but Utah's 13-0 and Florida has a home loss to a very good, but not great Ole Miss team. If you're looking at resumes based on wins and losses, Utah deserves the national championship over a 13-1 Florida and it's not close. If you want to argue that Florida is clearly the better team because they had much better MOV throughout the season, that Utah had some fluky home wins that show they wouldn't have survived undefeated in the SEC or Big XII, then fine. Make that argument. Looking solely at wins and losses though, Utah deserves the national title.

Honestly, if say Florida beats Oklahoma by 6 and you asked me at gunpoint to vote who I think deserves to be #1 and who deserves the national championship most, I'd probably take the Gators, but seeing as they're already getting the coaches' trophy in Miami regardless, I'd like to see Utah get the AP national title to recognize that they accomplished more than any team in the country this year.
 
And a quick qualifier of his about Oklahoma:

USC
Wins vs. Top 10: 2
Wins vs. Top 30: 4

Florida (with win over OU)
Wins vs. Top 10: 2
Wins vs. Top 30: 4

Utah
Wins vs. Top 10: 2
Wins vs. Top 30: 4

Ball State (with wins over Buffalo and Tulsa to finish undefeated)
Wins vs. Top 10: 0
Wins vs. Top 30: 0

Oklahoma (with win over Florida)
Wins vs. Top 10: 3
Wins vs. Top 30: 7

The above is why I'm fine with a 13-1 Oklahoma being named the sole national champion, but I can't justify putting Florida or USC over Utah when both have a loss and Utah is undefeated.
 
Quick, someone email Kyle and get his opinion. oops, too late, he posted it.
 
To me the love of the FOOTBALL game is that sometime-someway MAGIC happens and all the CHEMISTRY and PRACTICE comes TOGETHER for a TEAM and that TEAM becomes a BEAST for that particular season and whips every a** they play and when THAT happens there is no way in HELL that TEAM should not factor into the NC!!
 
mmbt0ne said:
And a quick qualifier of his about Oklahoma:

USC
Wins vs. Top 10: 2
Wins vs. Top 30: 4

Florida (with win over OU)
Wins vs. Top 10: 2
Wins vs. Top 30: 4

Utah
Wins vs. Top 10: 2
Wins vs. Top 30: 4

Ball State (with wins over Buffalo and Tulsa to finish undefeated)
Wins vs. Top 10: 0
Wins vs. Top 30: 0

Oklahoma (with win over Florida)
Wins vs. Top 10: 3
Wins vs. Top 30: 7

The above is why I'm fine with a 13-1 Oklahoma being named the sole national champion, but I can't justify putting Florida or USC over Utah when both have a loss and Utah is undefeated.
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You don't know these things about Texas do you? I still cannot bring myself to acknowledge that OU is the #1 team in the country, when they were beat on a neutral site by a great Texas team, a team that barely lost on the road against a very good TT team.

The BCS is a joke, and we should either go back to the old system or implement a plus 1 or a playoff. I want the former.
 
Allen Koholic said:
You don't know these things about Texas do you? I still cannot bring myself to acknowledge that OU is the #1 team in the country, when they were beat on a neutral site by a great Texas team, a team that barely lost on the road against a very good TT team.

The BCS is a joke, and we should either go back to the old system or implement a plus 1 or a playoff. I want the former.
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I don't understand the Plus 1. I don't see how it fixes anything at all...in fact, in my mind it makes it worse. At least at the end of the season, you have somewhat of an idea of who gets to be in the title game based on the polls and how the season ended. With a plus 1, you throw all that out the window because teams have a chance to show how good they really are. Like this year, with Plus 1, the choices would be:

Florida/Oklahoma, Texas(assuming they beat OSU), Utah, and USC.

So now you are in an even worse situation than before, because at least before you could tell Texas that they were out because they didn't win their conference, USC that they didn't have a strong enough schedule to make up for their bad loss, and Utah that they played in a weak conference. With a plus 1 though, you're just looking at how they did recently against great competition, and there's just no way to settle it except by having them play each other.
 
Texas has 1 win against the top 10 and 3 against the top 30.

Will be 2 and 4 if they beat Ohio State (sneaking in at #10)
 
This will continue to happen until we get a playoff, period.

Its the only thing Obama and I agree on.
 
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