Six Straight against his arch-Rival...

00Burdell

00Burdell

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I'm not here to preach to anyone who the best candidate is. I frankly don't know enough. I have strong opinions but acknowledge that opinion is all they are so I try to keep them to myself.

However, having said all that, I got to thinking that a lot of what this is about is not beating UGa very often.

Well prior to Paul Johnson, Army and Navy were pretty evenly matched over the decades.

But Paul Johnson changed all that. He has beaten Army SIX STRAIGHT TIMES and set a record for most consecutive victories in the long series.

Now say what you want about the offense he runs or about what Tech and Navy did against two common opponents (Army and Notre Dame) but in the "what really matters" department, Paul Johnson has been beating the allmighty stuffing out of the most hated team on his schedule.

So, just looking at that, I have decided that if we hire Coach Johnson, I'm comfortable that he will understand what our priorities are. And that they will become his priorities. For all the good Coach Gailey did during his tenure, I never thought we were on the same page priority-wise. It'll be nice, should we hire CPJ, not to have that problem anymore.
 
I believe the triple-option will work at the major college level. My only concern is recruits not wanting to come to tech because it will hurt their NFL-stock. Why would a pro-style QB like Renfree want to come to an option system?

I really hope he does change his offensive scheme to fit his personnel and relays that to recruits...
 
Smart offensive coaches figure out how to get the most points with the personnel on hand.

He runs that at Navy because that is the best offensive system for the roster he is able to recruit for. When he gets here and sees Nesbitt, Renfree (fingers crossed) and Corey Earls and Dwyer and the other talent we have and expect to have, I think he'll probably spend Jan - Aug designing a new offense for us.

Or hire a coordinator that will do likewise.

The least of my concerns about Johnson is that he only knows one offensive system. He knows plenty but more importantly, he knows when to use each one.
 
Johnson should be commended for altering the balance of the rivalry in Navy's favor. That's a primary reason Navy will try to keep him.

However, regarding the current state of affairs in the UGA - GT rivalry, I would argue that it is a lot less about who YOU got than it is about who WE got.
 
One thing to keep in mind here - I think 9/11 and the "war on terror" has changed things a lot for the service academies. Please don't take this the wrong way as I am not implying that the Navy does not do difficult or dangerous work, but I would rather play football at Navy where I know after I am done I will be shipped off to sea somewhere than at Army where I know I will be hitting the ground in Iraq after my 4 years. I bet there is a bit of a recruiting advantage right now...I have ZERO data to back this up, just an opinion....
 
I think if our most hated rival was a rotten perennially losing team Gailey would have done fine against them. This is a silly measuring stick.
 
SMoney said:
One thing to keep in mind here - I think 9/11 and the "war on terror" has changed things a lot for the service academies. Please don't take this the wrong way as I am not implying that the Navy does not do difficult or dangerous work, but I would rather play football at Navy where I know after I am done I will be shipped off to sea somewhere than at Army where I know I will be hitting the ground in Iraq after my 4 years. I bet there is a bit of a recruiting advantage right now...I have ZERO data to back this up, just an opinion....
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dude...not to be the bearer of bad news, but the navy not being in hot combat zones is not something new. In the first Iraq affair, they had a similar role as they do now, in the Bosnian support affairs they did, in vietnam they did, in korea they did. Its been since WWII that the navy was in serious combat.

My point....don't used the war on terror as the change. Its not....its always been that way and the war on terror has really nothing to do with it.

kids who go to navy, like navy, vs army or air force.
 
mm42 said:
I think if our most hated rival was a rotten perennially losing team Gailey would have done fine against them. This is a silly measuring stick.
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I don't think its silly at all. The best thing to measure Paul against is how his predecessors did under identical circumstances. He turned the series record on its head - something no previous Army or Navy coach had ever done.

How is that a meaningless conclusion? If Navy had been dominating the series and he just continued that domination then that would be meaningless. Navy sucked when Johnson took over - they won 1 or two games his first year.
 
00Burdell said:
The best thing to measure Paul against is how his predecessors did under identical circumstances.
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I think Johnson is a great coach. I'm just saying that dominating your rival is a lot easier when they suck.

Circumstances are NOT identical. Army has been epically bad while Johnson has been there, worse than any period in their history. Their record over the last six years is 13-58. It's silly to say Navy's domination is not influenced by that.
 
sfalco said:
Johnson should be commended for altering the balance of the rivalry in Navy's favor. That's a primary reason Navy will try to keep him.

However, regarding the current state of affairs in the UGA - GT rivalry, I would argue that it is a lot less about who YOU got than it is about who WE got.
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Falco,

That is the biggest crock I've heard.
How come up until this year (With our lame duck Hc coaching his final game) the last 4 years were decided in the VERY last few moments of the game.
One thing Chan has done well, is raising our talent level. He just didn't have it in him, to coach that talent level up.

Richt got awful lucky this year. Beating a UF team with a beat up Tebow (Even espn came out after that saying Tebow was 50% in that game and could NOT be the usual running threat) Richt got awful lucky there at Alabama an UK ..So don't give us this almighty Richt stuff.
 
1gtfan said:
Richt got awful lucky this year. Beating a UF team with a beat up Tebow (Even espn came out after that saying Tebow was 50% in that game and could NOT be the usual running threat) Richt got awful lucky there at Alabama an UK ..So don't give us this almighty Richt stuff.
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Lets not foget their all too impressive performance at Vanderbilt...
 
1gtfan said:
Falco,

That is the biggest crock I've heard.
How come up until this year (With our lame duck Hc coaching his final game) the last 4 years were decided in the VERY last few moments of the game.
One thing Chan has done well, is raising our talent level. He just didn't have it in him, to coach that talent level up.

Richt got awful lucky this year. Beating a UF team with a beat up Tebow (Even espn came out after that saying Tebow was 50% in that game and could NOT be the usual running threat) Richt got awful lucky there at Alabama an UK ..So don't give us this almighty Richt stuff.
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Agreed. Richt is mortal.
 
Why would a pro-style QB like Renfree want to come to an option system?
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Why would we, a team that runs a hypothetical option-based system, care what a pro-style QB like Renfree wants to go?
 
If Johnson is hired at GT, he will not beat a Richt coached Georgie team. Ever.

Option offenses are great when you have more talent than the other team. That is why Alabama and Nebraska ran them in the 70's. They don't work against superior teams that are well coached--just like Gailey's conservative offense never beat Richt.

Hiring Johnson insures more losses to the Georgie.
 
Oddly enough, Johnson talks about his offense as a way for an underdog to win.
 
mm42 said:
I think Johnson is a great coach. I'm just saying that dominating your rival is a lot easier when they suck.

Circumstances are NOT identical. Army has been epically bad while Johnson has been there, worse than any period in their history. Their record over the last six years is 13-58. It's silly to say Navy's domination is not influenced by that.
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Not trying to be argumentative or anything but there's more to it than that.

From 1960 through 2002, the average difference in wins between the two was three and the series record over those 43 seasons is 19 - 22; nearly even.

So my point is that when either program is good or bad, so too is the other - the programs tend to mirror each other. There is no historical precedent for one team dominating the other. Going back to 1959, only once did either team win more than 5 more games than the other.


So the fact that Army hasn't been a good team statistically indicates that Navy shouldn't be good either. That Navy is doing so well when Army is doing so poorly is unprecedented. I give the credit for that to Paul Johnson because there simply isn't any other way I can explain it.
 
jacketup said:
If Johnson is hired at GT, he will not beat a Richt coached Georgie team. Ever.

Option offenses are great when you have more talent than the other team. That is why Alabama and Nebraska ran them in the 70's. They don't work against superior teams that are well coached--just like Gailey's conservative offense never beat Richt.

Hiring Johnson insures more losses to the Georgie.
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Are YOU more the expert than Bill Belichik or Phil Simms? Bill said, when asked, if Paul Johnson's offense would work at a major Bcs school? Answer= It would be unstoppable! Bill Belichik= Argubly the best Coach in the history of the game, at the very least, best in the game today.

Why the worship of Marc Richt? He won very close games the past few years against us, over a mediocre college coach. :bowdown:
 
Richt is lucky, and he's got outstanding players.



I wish we were lucky and had outstanding players.


:)
 
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