So let me get this straight...

smokey_wasp said:
Ain't nobody pumping gas for sure, unless they live in New Jersey, where citizens are banned from pumping their own.
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Oregon as well.
Note: We can pump on our gas - just that if someone will do it for you - then let them do it.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
You mean the players yell racists stuff at rolling stones concert goers?
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No. Remember the girl that said someone shouted the n word as she was leaving BDS? MSM ran with it. Then it came out that the windows on that frat house have been nailed shut for years.
 
GTlee said:
No. Remember the girl that said someone shouted the n word as she was leaving BDS? MSM ran with it. Then it came out that the windows on that frat house have been nailed shut for years.
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Oh I wasn't familiar with that story.
 
GTlee said:
No. Remember the girl that said someone shouted the n word as she was leaving BDS? MSM ran with it. Then it came out that the windows on that frat house have been nailed shut for years.
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And had A/C units in them... Because who doesn't pull their window unit just to yell "öööööö" at a random passerby.
 
So, how is it working for college football to tolerate some coaches and players, who care more about themselves and their prospects at higher paying coaching jobs or playing in the NFL, than they do about honoring their commitments to the schools that gave them a chance and to whom they made a commitment? With attendance down almost everywhere and disciplinary problems (to put it mildly), I'd say this new approach to college football is not working out very well. In spite of letting the players do everything from picking uniforms to deciding when to break their commitment to their schools, many schools still lose and look bad doing it. I'd rather have a team full of kids that love their school and have the integrity to honor their scholarship commitments than a team with some self-seeking NFL auditioning stars, who don't put the team first.

Of course, I'm not talking about most players, just a few. But, as they say, "one rotten apple can spoil the barrel." And I'm not talking about all coaches, just the ones with multi-million dollar contracts, who apply for other jobs, when they see a chance to break their contract and make more millions at another school.

A scholarship is a contract. If a player breaks it, the school should terminate it. It's the right thing to do, and there are plenty of kids who love their school and would love the chance to be on scholarship, even if they're not headed to the pros. What would doing things this way cost teams like Tech, our chance to be in the playoffs? You might call this old fashioned, but I call it true college football. It might not be the way things are done now, but it's still the right way to do things. And if you can't see this, I feel sorry for you. There is a difference between college sports and minor league pro sports.

Catering to some over-paid coaches and players that don't love their teams is one reason college stadiums around the country are so full of empty seats. Since some coaches and some big time players feel one way about the game, and the fans feel another way, there's a big a big problem. And the fans will win, because the fans pay the bills, directly by their attendance, contributions and purchase of merchandise and indirectly by making college football attractive to TV networks. If fans want teams to wear traditional uniforms and the music to be bands playing fight songs instead of being drowned out by piped in super loud head ache-causing music, the schools better do what the fans want. Otherwise, there won't be enough fans showing up to keep college football alive.

And don't give me more of your crap about me being an old man who doesn't know what works. The truth is that my way works, and your way never will. From the time Tech started playing football to 1966, we had three coaches, all of whom were loyal to Tech, and great players, who loved Tech, too. This resulted in great fan support and good teams, and that's what got Tech on TV in the first place. Those were not "the good old days," they were just "the good days." And, if we ever have good days again, they will be just like those good days of the past. Times change, but values never do. If college football wants loyal fans back in the stands, it better start by putting loyal coaches and loyal players back on the field. If Tech wants more people at homecoming, it better give them something more like home to come back to.
 
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CiraldoForever said:
So, how is it working for college football to tolerate some coaches and players, who care more about themselves and their prospects at higher paying coaching jobs or playing in the NFL, than they do about honoring their commitments to the schools that gave them a chance and to whom they made a commitment? With attendance down almost everywhere and disciplinary problems (to put it mildly), I'd say this new approach to college football is not working out very well. In spite of letting the players do everything from picking uniforms to deciding when to break their commitment to their schools, many schools still lose and look bad doing it. I'd rather have a team full of kids that love their school and have the integrity to honor their scholarship commitments than a team with some self-seeking NFL auditioning stars, who don't put the team first.

Of course, I'm not talking about most players, just a few. But, as they say, "one rotten apple can spoil the barrel." And I'm not talking about all coaches, just the ones with multi-million dollar contracts, who apply for other jobs, when they see a chance to break their contract and make more millions at another school.

A scholarship is a contract. If a player breaks it, the school should terminate it. It's the right thing to do, and there are plenty of kids who love their school and would love the chance to be on scholarship, even if they're not headed to the pros. What would doing things this way cost teams like Tech, our chance to be in the playoffs? You might call this old fashioned, but I call it true college football. It might not be the way things are done now, but it's still the right way to do things. And if you can't see this, I feel sorry for you. There is a difference between college sports and minor league pro sports.

Catering to some over-paid coaches and players that don't love their teams is one reason college stadiums around the country are so full of empty seats. Since some coaches and some big time players feel one way about the game, and the fans feel another way, there's a big a big problem. And the fans will win, because the fans pay the bills, directly by their attendance, contributions and purchase of merchandise and indirectly by making college football attractive to TV networks. If fans want teams to wear traditional uniforms and the music to be bands playing fight songs instead of being drowned out by piped in super loud head ache-causing music, the schools better do what the fans want. Otherwise, there won't be enough fans showing up to keep college football alive.

And don't give me more of your crap about me being an old man who doesn't know what works. The truth is that my way works, and your way never will. From the time Tech started playing football to 1966, we had three coaches, all of whom were loyal to Tech, and great players, who loved Tech, too. This resulted in great fan support and good teams, and that's what got Tech on TV in the first place. Those were not "the good old days," they were just "the good days." And, if we ever have good days again, they will be just like those good days of the past. Times change, but values never do. If college football wants loyal fans back in the stands, it better start by putting loyal coaches and loyal players back on the field. If Tech wants more people at homecoming, it better give them something more like home to come back to.
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I’m afraid you may be remembering a time that never was. Very early in its existence, college football became mercenary. We even contributed to this climate. Look at how we lured John Heisman away from Clempsum with a pay raise and a share of the gate.
 
CiraldoForever said:
So, how is it working for college football to accommodate the athletes that care about themselves and their prospects in the NFL, instead of wanting a great education and having love and loyalty for the schools they represent and that give them a free education? With attendance down almost everywhere and disciplinary problems (to put it mildly), I'd say this new approach to college football is not working out very well. In spite of letting the players do everything from picking uniforms to deciding when to break their commitment to the schools, many schools still lose and look bad doing it. I'd rather have a team full of kids that love their school and have the integrity to honor their scholarship commitments than a team with some self-seeking NFL auditioning stars, who don't put the team first.

Of course, I'm not talking about most players, just a few. But, as they say, "one rotten apple can spoil the barrel." And I'm not talking about all coaches, just the ones with multi-million dollar contracts, who apply for other jobs, when they see a chance to break their contract and make more millions at another school.

A scholarship is a contract. If a player breaks it, the school should terminate it. It's the right thing to do, and there are plenty of kids who love their school and would love the chance to be on scholarship, even if they're not headed to the pros. What would doing things "the old fashioned way" cost teams like Tech, our chance to be in the playoffs? You might call this old fashioned, but I call it true college football. It might not be the way things are done now, but it's still the right way to do things. And if you can't see this, I feel sorry for you. There is a difference between college sports and minor league pro sports.

Having over-paid coaches and players that don't love their teams is one reason college stadiums around the country are so full of empty seats. Since the coaches and the big time players feel one way about the game, and the fans feel another way, there's a big a big problem. And the fans will win, because the fans pay the bills, directly by their attendance, contributions and purchase of merchandise and indirectly by making college football attractive to TV networks. If fans want teams to wear traditional uniforms and the music to be bands playing fight songs instead of being drowned out by piped in super loud head ache-causing music, the schools better do what the fans want. Otherwise, there won't be enough fans showing up to keep college football alive.

And don't give me more of your crap about me being an old man who doesn't know what works. The truth is that my way works, and your way never will. From the time Tech started playing football to 1966, we had three coaches, all of whom were loyal to Tech, and great players, who loved Tech, too. This resulted in great fan support and good teams, and that's what got Tech on TV in the first place. Those were not "the good old days," they were just "the good days." And, if we ever have good days again, they will be just like those good days of the past. If college football wants loyal fans back in the stands, it better start by putting loyal coaches and loyal players back on the field. If Tech wants more people at homecoming, it better give them something more like home to come back to.
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Unless players are allowed to go straight from high school into the NFL or a legit minor league, college football will only continue further down the road it is on. The majority of FBS players think they are NFL bound and are only using college as a means to an end. The degree is nice, and most will say and do what they think they're supposed to, but ultimately they're trying to improve their chances of getting into the NFL. Sitting on the bench doesn't do that, so they transfer.

To you, Gus, and anyone else - don't hate the player. Hate the game. Kelly Bryant absolutely made the right decision if he wants to play in the NFL (he won't, but I don't blame him for trying). College football has become a business and he made a business move that will give him the best opportunity for success. Anyone who disagrees is just naive. If you got demoted and your job was given to someone with less experience, would you stay with that company or take another job that gave you the position you thought you deserved?
 
CiraldoForever said:
...fans want teams to wear traditional uniforms and the music to be bands playing fight songs instead of being drowned out by piped in super loud head ache-causing music, the schools better do what the fans want. Otherwise, there won't be enough fans showing up to keep college football alive.
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This is exactly why, after 37 straight years, I will not be renewing my season tickets next year. I can handle the losing from time to time, but not the abandonment of Tech's traditions by the Tech administration. I do not understand this conversion of Tech to the blue jackets, with the blue uniforms, painting the field blue, etc. When I come to Bobby Dodd stadium, I expect Tech to be wearing the uniforms pictured below EVERY game, and the field painted White and Gold. This clearly is not what Tech officials want anymore, and if their goal is to drive away long time fans like me, they have succeeded.
 
DressCheeseSideSeaboard said:
I’m afraid you may be remembering a time that never was. Very early in its existence, college football became mercenary. We even contributed to this climate. Look at how we lured John Heisman away from Clempsum with a pay raise and a share of the gate.
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While your right about Heisman and there always being a mercenary aspect to college football, CiraldoForever is also right about college football's image having more loyalty just a few decades ago. It may be just a matter of scale and perception, Dodd never coached anywhere else but GT, Dooley never coached anywhere else but UGA, either of which may have jumped to a higher paying gig in today's world. Bear Bryant moving to Alabama was a huge deal, he never left and became a part of Alabama's identity. Likewise, players did not jump from one school to another and mostly played 4 years before going to the NFL. Now CPJ is one of the longest tenured coaches in the entire conference at what 10 years? Like most things in life, these changes have both pros and cons; one of the cons is that when it appears to fans that players and coaches on the team do not have loyalty to the school, fans start questioning why they should have loyalty to the team.
 
I don't have the information to comment on how he got here, but I do know that Coach Heisman didn't leave Tech for another school. He left for personal reasons and went to the New York Athletic Club, which is why the Heisman Trophy is named for him. Coach Alexander coached Tech for no pay during some of the depression years. Coach Dodd was Coach Alexander's assistant for about 15 years. Then, when he was Tech's Head Coach, he passed up many offers, including one from Texas, whose supporters offered him much more money and even an oil well, if he'd leave Atlanta for Austin. And by the way, Coach Dodd never even had a contract, just a hand-shake.

Coach Whack Hyder even taught a class, while he was our head basketball coach. And people forget what a great coach and Tech man he was. His success caused Tech to build the basketball coliseum that we still play in today, even though it has been remodeled. He also broke Adolph Rupp's 131 game or something winning streak and then beat him again that same season in Atlanta, in a game Rupp had televised back to Kentucky, just so his Wildcat fans could see him get what he incorrectly assumed would be his revenge for losing to Tech in Lexington.

Now, I'm not saying Tech has always been perfect, when it came to dealing with coaches. But, I know that we have given a lot of loyalty and received a lot in return, and we have treated players very well, too, which made it hard for us to compete with Bryant at Alabama and led to Tech leaving the SEC. We won't ever be an Alabama in football or even a Kentucky in basketball. But, like I tell our grandchildren, there are things more important than wins and losses about Tech that make it a good choice to be a Yellow Jacket fan.

Let's let other teams go their way and hold on to the things that made Tech unique and caused so many people in the Dodd era to be proud to wear those buttons that said, "I Like Tech." Let's give our children and grandchildren that same good reason to choose to be a Tech fan that caused my Daddy and Father-in-Law to support Tech so much. I wish we could win more games, but I'm very proud of Tech and very happy for what Tech stands for. I'll always wear that big white button with the gold lettering that says, "I Like Tech." I'm not saying that things were ever perfect at Tech, but I am saying that things were better than they are now, and that they can be again. And, I'm not talking about wins or losses. I'm talking about having a great school with a football team that supports its values, rather than having a great football team with a school attached. That's the Tech way, and that attracts players and fans who value character and integrity.
 
I watched some of the Indiana game last Saturday. It was amazing how empty the place was and that was playing Penn State.
 
FHstinger said:
This is exactly why, after 37 straight years, I will not be renewing my season tickets next year. I can handle the losing from time to time, but not the abandonment of Tech's traditions by the Tech administration. I do not understand this conversion of Tech to the blue jackets, with the blue uniforms, painting the field blue, etc. When I come to Bobby Dodd stadium, I expect Tech to be wearing the uniforms pictured below EVERY game, and the field painted White and Gold. This clearly is not what Tech officials want anymore, and if their goal is to drive away long time fans like me, they have succeeded.
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The color of the uniforms and the way the field is painted seem like really weird reasons to stop supporting your team. How did you get through the 80s with the navy jerseys, or the Gailey years with the gold jerseys? I haven't loved every uniform combination we've worn this year or in the past, but it doesn't make me want to quit my fandom. Particularly if we're winning and representing Tech well, I don't care if we wear pink tutus.

JRjr
 
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