Still Want The Game First of the Season?

You guys that want to move that game kill me. :wow:

Always wanting to mess with tradition. Without Gt-Uga on Thanksgiving weekend is like putting the Iron Bowl at the beginning of the year or Michigan- Ohio state in September...

That is bull, saying no one else in the country cares about the game, they WILL once we beat Ugag 2 or 3 times in a row and we start being a top 10 team again, which I hope happens starting next year. Moving that game is sacreligious and I would fight that as hard as I fought the thought of hiring a Bulldawg to be our head coach.
 
Compared to season ending rivalry game, I give nary a crap about bowl games or national recognition or polls or any of that piffle.

If I had to make a choice, I would take the season ending rivalry game and toss the bowls, polls, and all that stuff.

This is a very good point. I'm a big pro sports fan, and in general like them a lot more than college sports(except of course when GT is involved). The argument I always hear about them is that there just isn't any passion in them, and while I disagree with that, I will agree that you never get the intense, personal, all-or-nothing nature of rivalry games that you get in college sports. To me, that is the one thing that college sports really have going for them, and now some people want to take that away? That just doesn't make any sense to me. Moving the game to the beginning of the season really would make it just another game...yes, it would be bigger than a normal game, but it wouldn't be the event that it is now.
 
You guys that want to move that game kill me. :wow:

Always wanting to mess with tradition. Without Gt-Uga on Thanksgiving weekend is like putting the Iron Bowl at the beginning of the year or Michigan- Ohio state in September...

That is bull, saying no one else in the country cares about the game, they WILL once we beat Ugag 2 or 3 times in a row and we start being a top 10 team again, which I hope happens starting next year. Moving that game is sacreligious and I would fight that as hard as I fought the thought of hiring a Bulldawg to be our head coach.

You do not become a top ten team by just beating UGA...you have to win BCS bowl games.

We need to do both.

Some of you are typical GT grads...you think in binary terms. :-)

You can actually accomplish two things at once...really...you can.
 
You do not become a top ten team by just beating UGA...you have to win BCS bowl games.

Let me clarify, we will be a top 10 team next year by mid-season if we are undefeated, we will begin in the top 15 maybe top 10 probably my guess between 10-13 depending on our bowl results.

We will be top 10 way before the ugag game if we are undefeated, plain and simple. Heck, we should be top 5 if we were undefeated going into the ugag game, this is all possible because we will be ranked top 15 pre-season.

Texas Tech has been in the top 10 most of the year this year without winning BCS games...Winning BCS games will come, your argument to move the Ugag game is weak..
 
I have explained this before very clearly. Let me try again.

Please let me know which of these is not true.
1. Georgie has higher quality depth
2. Georgie has more 'off-season' issues
3. Georgie has little to no academic distractions during the fall
4. GT has brutal academics and by Thanksgiving class workload is brutal and no way can GT players can truly focus exclusively on the game like georgie

The list goes on but these are huge. Unless you have answers to address our inherent disadvantages, we will be the underdog to the mutts far more often than not. I don't like being at a disadvantage because we have academic standards and I don't see us waiving them to become more like georgie.

There is only one reason georgie would agree to moving the game. That is PJ. It is a huge disadvantage to play against PJ's offense at the end of the season.

So in conclusion, we can decide to give up a short term advantage to level the playing field SIGNIFICANTLY long term. Think back to our crushing Auburn early. GT has traditionally played VERY strong in game one at full strength.

P.S.

For instance: Think about how bad we would crush UGA next year at as close to 100% healthy as possible. Cox in his first start (IIUC) versus Nesbitt while he is far, far more likely to be at 100%.

This year there is virtually no way we would lose the UGA game if we could play in August.

I don't give a rats patootie about tradition. I want to win. And early will mean FAR more wins.
 
I have explained this before very clearly. Let me try again.

Please let me know which of these is not true.
1. Georgie has higher quality depth
2. Georgie has more 'off-season' issues
3. Georgie has little to no academic distractions during the fall
4. GT has brutal academics and by Thanksgiving class workload is brutal and no way can GT players can truly focus exclusively on the game like georgie

The list goes on but these are huge. Unless you have answers to address our inherent disadvantages, we will be the underdog to the mutts far more often than not. I don't like being at a disadvantage because we have academic standards and I don't see us waiving them to become more like georgie.

There is only one reason georgie would agree to moving the game. That is PJ. It is a huge disadvantage to play against PJ's offense at the end of the season.

So in conclusion, we can decide to give up a short term advantage to level the playing field SIGNIFICANTLY long term. Think back to our crushing Auburn early. GT has traditionally played VERY strong in game one at full strength.

P.S.

For instance: Think about how bad we would crush UGA next year at as close to 100% healthy as possible. Cox in his first start (IIUC) versus Nesbitt while he is far, far more likely to be at 100%.

This year there is virtually no way we would lose the UGA game if we could play in August.

I don't give a rats patootie about tradition. I want to win. And early will mean FAR more wins.

I've yet to see any good reason why Georgia would agree to move the game to the beginning of the year. Honestly, I think we should keep it as it is and if we truly aren't up to the task of competing with them at the end of the year when the games matter more, then we should drop them from the schedule altogether. I would rather be regarded as "the spineless nerds who gave up on the series" than "the spineless nerds who tried to manipulate circumstances to mask their inferiority".
 
I've yet to see any good reason why Georgia would agree to move the game to the beginning of the year. Honestly, I think we should keep it as it is and if we truly aren't up to the task of competing with them at the end of the year when the games matter more, then we should drop them from the schedule altogether. I would rather be regarded as "the spineless nerds who gave up on the series" than "the spineless nerds who tried to manipulate circumstances to mask their inferiority".

I'd rather take the third option: "the nerds who dominate the series." Good thing for me we have Paul Johnson as coach.
 
I'd rather take the third option: "the nerds who dominate the series." Good thing for me we have Paul Johnson as coach.

As would I, and without any excuse that we threw out tradition in order to try to level the playing field. I want to beat them two days after Thanksgiving, every year. I want for them to look at that big fat turkey with sorrow because they associate it with the big fat beatdown they will be getting soon enough. I want it to be where my uncle no longer says "Go Dawgs" right before I depart because he knows that Tech owns them.
 
I give a "RAT"'s patootie about tradition. If not, it woudl be easiest to simply choose to be a fan of USC or perhaps Texas, since things like tradition don't matter then why should loyalty either?

If we want to win then there is no reason we need to win in retreat. There is no reason we need to hear about early wins that it was a fluke or we caught anyone by surprise.

Do we want the GT/UGA rivalry to be in the same class as USC/UCLA or Texas/A&M or even Clemson/USC? Or do we want something like UK/Louisville?

I know my answer. And if we are to rise to the next level it won't be by playing scared with a belief we need to catch top teams by surprise to beat them
 
if we are to rise to the next level it won't be by playing scared with a belief we need to catch top teams by surprise to beat them

Exactly. If we're going to be become a nationally respected program under PJ, we're going to have to be capable of beating teams like Georgia in November.
 
I knew nobody would address the issues or answer my points.

ALL of us want to beat georgie. Some of us have actually thought long and hard about it. georgie has some advantages and they are magnified at the end of the season. That is why they are beating us 70%+ of the time.

Of course I believe that PJ will beat georgie a very high percentage of the time no matter when we play. We hit a home run here guys. We all know that.

However if ANYONE can explain to me one decent reason why I should believe that we will not regress back to a 30% win percentage the day after PJ retires I will apologize profusely for being misguided.

And the rumor is GEORGIE called our AD after he hired PJ to see if we would move the game.

And finally, I think that the schools with competitive Thanksgiving rivalry games will prove to be at a significant disadvantage in Conference Championship Games to the teams without one.
 
Exactly. If we're going to be become a nationally respected program under PJ, we're going to have to be capable of beating teams like Georgia in November.

Fine. You guys think short term and I hope our AD thinks long term.

Each and every one of the last seven years the late loss to UGA hurt our bowl attendance and affected where we went. That should matter to you. Not imaginary future wins over georgie, but real losses to them that send us to play in a baseball stadium in San Francisco against a WAC team that we don't even show up for.
 
If I scrapped my daughter's violin lessons and tennis team, and instead enrolled her in a couple of SAT training classes, it would almost certainly improve her SAT scores.

But, since I don't want her to be a soulless score chaser, I keep her in violin and tennis.

Similarly, I don't want to guilefully scheme the timing of the UGAg game to some other date in order to squeeze out a few more percentage point chances of winning, at the sacrifice of profundity and dignity.
 
I knew nobody would address the issues or answer my points.

ALL of us want to beat georgie. Some of us have actually thought long and hard about it. georgie has some advantages and they are magnified at the end of the season. That is why they are beating us 70%+ of the time.

Of course I believe that PJ will beat georgie a very high percentage of the time no matter when we play. We hit a home run here guys. We all know that.

However if ANYONE can explain to me one decent reason why I should believe that we will not regress back to a 30% win percentage the day after PJ retires I will apologize profusely for being misguided.

And the rumor is GEORGIE called our AD after he hired PJ to see if we would move the game.

And finally, I think that the schools with competitive Thanksgiving rivalry games will prove to be at a significant disadvantage in Conference Championship Games to the teams without one.

I would actually want you to explain why we would automatically go back to 30% without CPJ. The idea is that we are changing the attitude and energy of the program. That's why Paul Johnson is here. DRad said it himself. We're not just shooting for some gloss over "well that was cute" quick fix, we want something tangible that lasts. Why do you think georgia currently has a recruiting advantage? Why do you think their program is where it is now? Because Richt came in and got them to start winning, and people around the country started noticing.

You have this tunnel vision that because georgia isn't the game before a possible ACCCG, that everything will be all rosy. IT WON'T. We will still be playing a significant football game at that time of the year. Unless we have already clinched the division, it will have serious conference implications. And if the team we're playing is fighting for bowl eligibility, or a better bowl, they're gonna give us everything they freaking have. uga isn't the only team we can get hurt playing. We can come out of a game with nc state with three major injuries to our key players JUST AS EASILY.

Moving the game isn't going to make the ACC Championship game any easier for us. We still will have gone through a 12 game schedule just like everyone else. All that will do is make the BEGINNING our schedule just as hard as the tail end because we will start the year playing uga. What if we get beat up during that game? We have the year to get healthy, but at the cost of being undermanned for the conference games that get us to the ACCCG. Then what?

Also, if you're banking on their players being suspended for the game if it starts the year, you're severely misguided. One, I expect him to try to crack down on those issues to save his rear end. Two, if something did happen, unless it was too severe to avoid scrutiny, it would probably be a situation where it is "handled internally". Happens all the time. No one gets suspended for signficant games unless they do something that you can't sweep under the rug. Period.

Understand something: We run a high precision offense that demands execution of the highest calibur to function. We're most likely NOT going to come into next year automatically firing on all cylinders. We will be better, yes. Don't get me wrong at all. But it will still take some games to get into the flow of the season. That's why most people schedule one or two creampuffs to start the year. You want to talk about the disadvantages of when we play uga, if you do it to start the year, you're probably limiting that, and putting us further behind the eight ball.

And as for focus, I recall a team last Saturday that was pretty damn focused on the task at hand. I saw a team that wanted that win more. I saw a team that got down, but looked themselves in the eye, and decided to do something about it. I'm sure none of them were thinking about some project they had due next week in that locker room at the time. Yes, these are student athletes. Yes, we go to a VERY hard school. But you can focus on the task at hand, while still fulfilling those requirements in the classroom. That's what we have a coach for. If we move the game, you still have a conference game, and a Conference Championship game for that matter, at the same time of year. Are we going to be focused for those games? Should we try to move them too because the academic stress is too much?

The answer isn't to manipulate things around you because you think it will make things easier. Hell, I'm not convinced for one second that anything will get easier for us. It was nice to have the conference schedule out of the way before others. We could focus on uga better. If we had clinched the division before Saturday, we could have REALLY focused on the uga game. The answer is to get better. That's it. We've lost 7 out of 10 to uga these past three decades because they have been better. Look at our football program's history. Most of their wins have come when we were simply down as a program. We would have lost most of those games even if they were played at Christmas. We need to focus on getting better as a football program, and the wins will come. That means while CPJ is here and beyond.

That game needs to stay where it is. To HELL with georgia!
 
Fine. You guys think short term and I hope our AD thinks long term.

Each and every one of the last seven years the late loss to UGA hurt our bowl attendance and affected where we went. That should matter to you. Not imaginary future wins over georgie, but real losses to them that send us to play in a baseball stadium in San Francisco against a WAC team that we don't even show up for.

Sir, losses to VT, UVA, UNC, Miami, Duke, Nc State, Maryland, Florida State, Boston College, Wake Forest, and Clemson have affected our bowl games. Real losses that sent us to San Francisco, Boise, Seattle, etc. Just win the game, and it's a moot point. It had very little to do with when we lost, and more to do with the fact that we lost. People will still get down about a uga loss even if it starts the season. The only difference is that it will hang over the season. That's now and forever. You sir, need to look at all sides of the equation because your logic doesn't apply solely to uga, it can apply to most teams that we would face otherwise at that time of the year.
 
I knew nobody would address the issues or answer my points.

ALL of us want to beat georgie. Some of us have actually thought long and hard about it. georgie has some advantages and they are magnified at the end of the season. That is why they are beating us 70%+ of the time.

Of course I believe that PJ will beat georgie a very high percentage of the time no matter when we play. We hit a home run here guys. We all know that.

However if ANYONE can explain to me one decent reason why I should believe that we will not regress back to a 30% win percentage the day after PJ retires I will apologize profusely for being misguided.

And the rumor is GEORGIE called our AD after he hired PJ to see if we would move the game.

And finally, I think that the schools with competitive Thanksgiving rivalry games will prove to be at a significant disadvantage in Conference Championship Games to the teams without one.

You do realize that if we played UGA at the beginning of this year, we almost certainly end the year with a conference game. Save for the Miami and Duke games, every conference game we had was either a struggle to the end to get a W or a loss. Like GTSaxophone said, things won't be easier just because the beginning of the season will be tougher.

The idea is to become as good as, and then better, than Georgia...not to just have some good years under PJ then fade back into nothingness. You seem to be under the impression that since we typically struggle with them, once PJ leaves, we will again and that this can be fixed by moving the game to a time of year better suitable for us, and that anyone who disagrees is obviously thinking short-term. I think the problem is that you are thinking too simple-minded.
 
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