Sucked having Paul Johnson win 7-10 games a year

[BeeStorm]

It's over the top fanaticism like he posted about, his is just equal and opposite. If our ceiling is 5 games, Wake's would need to be 3-4

what are you talking about? Wake won their spring game this year..

 

[gojkts]

It was the rich.

A combination of Gen Xers and Boomers with a Ralph Freidgen hardon that had lasted decades, who were well connected people to the GTAA with no sense of scope, scale, or understanding about Georgia Tech's natural place in the college football world because they had drunk their own kool aid. They were watching UGA and Clemson do what UGA and Clemson have the ability to do, which is corner the market on the best players in the country by a combination of hot coeds, crip majors, under the table payola, and over the table facilities outlays, like the $40 million Clemson football complex. Because UGA and Clemson are our regular rivals they wanted to be 50/50 in these games in terms of results, and accepting any less was "accepting mediocrity," without realizing that GT's natural place as a school is less than mediocre football. A campus full of hot coeds at GT is out of the question. Crip majors are banned by the UGA controlled board of regents. They refused to pay the Can Newton style payola, theoretically because they were honorable and following the NCAA rules, when in fact it turns out they were refusing to pay the Cam Newton payola because they're cheap bastards. We know this with 100% certainty because the NCAA legalized the payola, athletic departments can now pay players as long as they launder the money in official ways, and they still refused to buy us any players. The only possible way to compete with hamstrung talent is with a gimmick. But they literally ran the gimmick out of town and decided they were going to beat UGA and Clemson by adopting the exact same offensive and defensive systems as UGA and Clemson with worse players.

I know these assholes. I tailgated with these assholes. Some of you are these assholes and some of you aren't. But all of you, assholes or not, are watching a Georgia Tech team that is playing to its natural level as a football school. And the assholes that I tailgated with, alumni who ran Paul Johnson out of town and refused to buy us any players, are now watching Clemson and Georgia games because their wives attended there.

GT is a cripple who tied one hand intentionally behind his back and decided to get in a street fight. Have fun. Nobody was a bigger fan than I was, that ref for the Notre Dame Game knows it, and I quit four years ago. I still haven't even checked the score from this past weekend.

If you want to be a real football school in this climate you have to start by going private to get out from under the Board of Regents, add programs to compete with UGA in all phases of academics, add crip majors to hide athletes, and get your boosters to start funneling money into NCAA approved payola. There's your blueprint. Until you do that your coach literally doesn't matter. Nobody in the Paul Johnson tree is coming back here, and there isn't a stronger gimmick around to compensate for tying one hand behind your back.

I think you’re over analyzing things. The problem is a bad hire compounded by bad contract negotiation. Loudmouth tailgaters don’t negotiate and sign the contract. This job was a huge step up for Collins and a huge risk for GT and didn’t merit such a long contract. Hopefully we can find someone who can negotiate a contract his time around. That has been a real problem in recent years.

Every cfb fan base has cheap alums who love to complain and hate to contribute. Every single one. We’re abou 1/3 the size of most flagship state schools and at a disadvantage just based on sheer numbers. For a small to mid size state school we do reasonably well raising funds.

As far as generational stereotypes, the late boomers and early Gen X alums have been around long enough to see some pretty low lows. There was a lot of talk of going to 1AA (FCS) in the 80s. Around the Curry/Ross transition many feared GT’s best days in football might be in the past. Even after Ross’s miracle season we knew it would be difficult to sustain that level. We enjoyed the O’Leary, Gailey, and Johnson years but always knew it could quickly change for the worse. And that we couldnt outbid the factories for proven commodity coaches. We’ve made two bad hires out of six since Bill Curry. That’s going to happen. Just hope we’re a bit more grounded with expectations for the next hire.

 

[beej67]

Regardless if you are right about somethings, this is still over the top. Duke, Syracuse, Pitt and others would have faired far better in these last 3 games. Our ceiling is higher than theirs.

No it's not. All three have Crip majors, all three have more hot coeds, and I'd bet money all three are doing better than we are on the payola front. Plus all three have easier schedules every single year.

Stop drinking the Kool Aid.

 

[justafan]

Enjoyed the Paul Johnson years and was sad to see him go. Even sadder now than I was in 2018. Johnson was a wise, no-nonsense football coach and great leader of young men whose teams gave us lots of successes.

It feels a bit unsavory to talk about possible next head coaches while we still have one, but should Collins be let go, I hope we'll consider pursuing another system coach, like Monken or Niumatalolo. I find the arguments of beej67 persuasive. The landscape of college football has changed. We have major disadvantages at Tech, and any new coach needs to have a plan for overcoming them. The option has been demonstrated to be a talent-equalizer to some degree. No, Monken and Niumatalolo aren't world-beaters at their current schools, but they operate with even greater limitations on their football programs, yet have still had great seasons.

The Collins plan to overcome Tech's disadvantages was to make Tech cool, make it Atlanta's team, recruit top players and win with talent and culture. He hasn't managed enough success to bootstrap that plan. Instead he's now lost so much that building any hype back seems far-fetched. I guess the Collins plan could work but it's become clear that the salesmanship would need to be coupled with excellent coaching.

I will hope for a return of the option or another system coach, but I'm afraid the big money people long for the Tech of the O'Leary years, or worse the Tech of the 1950's. They just tried to re-create it and failed epically. Maybe they will have learned a lesson.

 

[Killick]

Enjoyed the Paul Johnson years and was sad to see him go. Even sadder now than I was in 2018. Johnson was a wise, no-nonsense football coach and great leader of young men whose teams gave us lots of successes.

It feels a bit unsavory to talk about possible next head coaches while we still have one, but should Collins be let go, I hope we'll consider pursuing another system coach, like Monken or Niumatalolo. I find the arguments of beej67 persuasive. The landscape of college football has changed. We have major disadvantages at Tech, and any new coach needs to have a plan for overcoming them. The option has been demonstrated to be a talent-equalizer to some degree. No, Monken and Niumatalolo aren't world-beaters at their current schools, but they operate with even greater limitations on their football programs, yet have still had great seasons.

The Collins plan to overcome Tech's disadvantages was to make Tech cool, make it Atlanta's team, recruit top players and win with talent and culture. He hasn't managed enough success to bootstrap that plan. Instead he's now lost so much that building any hype back seems far-fetched. I guess the Collins plan could work but it's become clear that the salesmanship would need to be coupled with excellent coaching.

I will hope for a return of the option or another system coach, but I'm afraid the big money people long for the Tech of the O'Leary years, or worse the Tech of the 1950's. They just tried to re-create it and failed epically. Maybe they will have learned a lesson.

Tech hasn't been cool since Truman and Eisenhower, well maybe a little during the moon shot. The driving force behind Tech as an Institute has always been brains paired with hard work. That is the trademark, and no amount of used car salesmanship will make Tech 'cool'. That is the culture, and when reflected in the Athletic Department success can be had.

 

[stinger78]

Tech hasn't been cool since Truman and Eisenhower, well maybe a little during the moon shot. The driving force behind Tech as an Institute has always been brains paired with hard work. That is the trademark, and no amount of used car salesmanship will make Tech 'cool'. That is the culture, and when reflected in the Athletic Department success can be had.

Tech and "cool" are mutually exclusive. GA Tech is hard work and proud of it. They're a little kinder now because they have to be, but they still kick your butt. Athletes have to be able to navigate a classroom to make it. If they can't and they happen to get in, then it's sayonara pretty quick - enough time to hit academic warning, then probation, then outa here. So, two, maybe three semesters. We need a coach who holds players accountable, because that's what the school does. We need a coach who understand hard work, because that's what the school understands, we need a coach who can figure out how to make it work, because that's what the school teaches. In short, we need a coach that's in line with the school. Bill Curry became such a coach (he learned on the job with Bobby Dodd tutoring him every Monday), Ross was such a coach, O'Leary was such a coach, Johnson was such a coach. All won, eventually... in some cases, but all won. I think Brent Key is such a coach, but we'll see - here or elsewhere.

 

[BigDanT]

Eat a dick each and every one of you who still öööö talk the triple option and Paul Johnson.

Man, I looked at the message and wondered if I wrote it. Not really the content but the whole telling everybody to go eat a dick. Nice!