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FallOnTheFlats

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If you're enjoying the results of Chan Gailey coaching O'Leary's recruits, you're gonna love watching Chan Gailey coaching his recruits, also known as the people no other Div 1 school would take, because he's not recruiting anybody.

He's selling the line that we can't recruit the state of Georgia because the school systems are too weak to meet Tech's academic standards. Elephant baloney! Where does he think most of Tech's students come from, California? What's changed since Cremins, Ross, O'Leary and Hewitt did it?

So far, our recruiting is zilch. Oh yea, I know the Texas theory. They're just shaking in their boots at Texas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma... because the big rush to Georgia Tech is upon them! They'll probably put up border guards if the exodus continues. Yea, right.

And all I read on the message boards is, "Give Chan three to five years to prove he can coach before you fire him." Sound familiar? It's Teddy Kennedy's theory about Iraq. Don't stop 'um now, wait till they drop a nuke on Atlanta. Then we'll be sure they're up to no good.

Remember the wonderful 1980's, when less than 30,000 people showed up for a whopping 17 home games? And those were the Homer Rice guesstimated-to-make-it-look-better-than-it-really-was announced "crowds"... I was at those games, and there weren't nearly that many people there. But here are the inflated attendance figures from the Tech press guide:

11/15/80 - attendance in Atl - 17,631
11/14/81 - attendance in Atl - 20,129
11/6/82 - attendance in Atl - 22,103
9/17/83 - attendance in Atl - 24,311
11/3/83 - attendance in Atl - 22,032
11/12/83 - attendance in Atl - 26,330
11/9/85 - attendance in Atl - 25,763
11/16/85 - attendance in Atl - 28,575
10/11/86 - attendance in Atl - 24,110
10/25/86 - attendance in Atl - 28,432
11/8/86 - attendance in Atl - 23,542
11/21/87 - attendance in Atl - 21,114
9/10/88 - attendance in Atl - 22,720
11/5/88 - attendance in Atl - 26,923
11/4/89 - attendance in Atl - 28,821
11/18/89 - attendance in Atl - 26,114
11/25/89 - attendance in Atl - 28,221

By the way, in case you don't think Homer announced inflated attendance figures, just remember all the crowds of over 46,000 he announced when a stadium later shown to hold only 42,000 was almost full, thanks to Georgia and Clemson fans.

Well, friends, if we let Chan Gailey continue for even one more year, that's what you have to look forward to. Only it's gonna be worse, cause a lot of those people were holdovers from the Dodd days, and they've died, plus a lot more are getting old and just don't have another decade of their lives to throw away.

Yes, Bill Curry and Chan Gailey have a lot in common. They're both Georgians. They both don't believe you can recruit top notch recruiting classes to Tech because of academics. They both came to Tech having coached under some of the biggest names in the NFL. And guess what else? Neither one of them can coach or recruit worth a darn.

We gave Bill Curry forever because he was such a flowery speaker, and he hoodwinked us to the point of about causing Tech to drop football. Alabama saved us from him, but who's gonna save us from Chan?

Nobody, unless we have the guts to save ourselves. Which I don't believe we do, with Dave Braine calling the shots. I'll say it right now: Georgia Tech will not survive another decade like the 1980's. Trying to pay for the stadium expansion from the money we get from miniscule crowds during Gailey's reign and the time it takes to rebuild after we finally fire him in five years will bankrupt the Georgia Tech Athletic Association.

If you don't learn from history, you're bound to repeat it. And this time it will kill us. Sad, so very sad. But all Briane cares about is refusing to admit his mistake. After all, about the time Tech goes under, Braine will retire a rich man. It makes me want to vomit.
 
Sounds to me like you are a little on the angry side today. Interesting thoughts, but the cheap shots at Homer Rice are uncalled for. He brought GA Tech athletics on to the national scene. You can bitch and moan about inflated attendance figures in the 80s, but is that really your point? The past is a nice place to visit, but the present and future are whats important and I'm willing to wait a little longer before I throw my stone.

The past is where puppy fans live.

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FOTF,
I agree with you totally on the recruiting concerns.
Also, Dave Braine will never admit his complete and total mistake on his coaching hire until the program has been run into the ground.
But I disagree on your assessment of Chan Gailey as a coach. He is much worse of a Division 1 college coach than you point out. He makes Bill Curry look like Vince Lombardi.
All of this was completely pointed out in advance, but everyone was blinded by the 'Resume'.

As the Grateful Dead sang "All a friend (and lifetime TECH fan) can say is ain't it a shame."
 
good points... and while I enjoy this board.. and post on it waaay more than I should... I suggest the following... this board is good for venting... if you really want to get something done, or feel like it anyway ... send Braine, Clough, and Gailey a letter... or give them a call ... let them know what you think... and what dollars could be jeopardized by your being upset...
 
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FOTF,

You are over-reacting to everything. We're 4-3 and we've had tons of injuries. We've lost to 3 good teams. Wake is a good team. They deserved to beat us. The only truly horrible half we've played all year was 2nd half of Maryland. Outside of that, we've hung in there and fought hard.

It's too early to throw up the white flag on recruiting and it's too early to judge Gailey. Nothing would be more stupid and uncalled for than firing a coach in his first year. Talking about it on these boards doesn't help either as players probably read this stuff.

My suggestion to you is to get of CG's back and support this team. They need our support.

BTW, I have a feeling we're going to play well against UVA. I think these guys have something to prove after the MD debacle.

GIVE CHAN A CHANCE
 
This is ridiculous. Why don't we suggest Chan buy a ticket and coach from the stands. It seems just beging there in and of itself makes a person infinitely smarter.
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FallOnTheFlats, you are wrong about all the holdovers from Dodd days being dead. I am alive but not very well after the arrival of Coach Dull.
At my age I may be dead before we have another winning program in football. It looks like DULL with take us to the sewer and leave the new coach another five to seven years to get back on track and if that does happen I will have joined Dodd and the other old Jackets on the other side. I really am discouraged about what is going on. But if we have some SUNNY SIDE SP fans that think Dull
is the man I will bet some big money otherwise and still hope I lose. This Team is DEAD.
 
FallOnTheFlats, why do you think it is necessary to lie to make your points.

First, Gailey has never stated he would not recruit the State of Georgia because the schools are too weak to meet Tech's academic standards. He said he was extending the base of recruiting nationally to enclude additional players meeting our standards.

He did not feel we could get enough qualified players from Georgia alone. So what, no Tech coach has ever relied on Georgia as its only recruiting grounds.

There is a difference in extending the base to a national one for additional recruits as to stating he would not recruit the qualified ones in Georgia. You are grossly misrepresenting the truth.

You also quoted, "Bill Curry and Chan Gailey have stated that you cannot bring in top notch player's to Tech because of Tech's academics. He never said that. Again, he did state he would expand the recruiting to a national base to add additional qualified recruits to the recruiting base.

Again, you stated Gailey cannot recruit. You have no idea whether he can or not. He has not had a chance to show you. Maybe you should wait until the end of the season to see how the recruiting turns out. You might have a valid statement at that time, but right now you are spewing untruthful venom.

There is enough to complain about without using your own verbage to denigrate Gailey. Why don't you jump on BOB for having one of the worst offenses in the ACC?

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Well said Ahso... I for one think its great that we are expanding our recruiting base.... this was in the works long ago... I posted "way back when" that the recruiting budget had been increased x% to accommodate this expanded base... I havent heard Gailey say anything about not recruiting Georgia... what I do know is that he spent the months of May and June blanketing the state of Georgia, visiting high schools and meeting with coaches at those schools... if he did not intend to recruit Georgia, I dont think he would have made those visits...

Last February, everyone was up in arms because of our "lackluster" recruiting class... I said then that I thought we had a good class this year... I think the play we have seen from some of our Freshmen thus far is proving this to be true...

For some the glass is always half empty... and while I am certainly not happy with the way the season is unfolding, I am still very much behind this staff, and think we should give the man a chance....

As I stated above .. if you are unhappy, write a letter, or call Clough, Braine, or Gailey... make something happen, otherwise.. get behind our staff and team... and I am not saying that differing opinions are wrong... an opinion is one thing.. stating something as fact is another...

Beeware could very well be right about his opinions (and so far it seems that he may be.. ) but I still think its too early to tell... although I dont like what I have seen thus far.
 
Fall on the Flats.. .keep in mind that 1/3 of the games you have listed above were during the Ross years... I am glad that we let him stay a little longer... or we would still be celebrating 1952
 
The constant moaning about Chan not recruiting Georgia is moaning about a myth. We are recruiting Georgia. We are also recruiting nationally. One does not exclude the other.

My question to you recruiting moaners is who does your incessant moaning about a myth help?
 
We may be 'technically' recruiting Georgia; but we have no Georgia committs and most (if not all) of the top players from Georgia have either already committed elsewhere or do not even have us listed as under consideration.

Maybe they are recruiting Georgia; but are just as incompetent at recruiting as they are at coaching. It is really a distinction without a difference.

Saying that we are recruiting Georgia with the net affect of no (or few) Georgia recruits actually signing with us is kind of like the guy who owes you a debt and won't pay you but makes this statement:
"I would rather owe it to you than beat you out of it."
 
Braine won't admit he is wrong? I thought he extended BC's contract and then when he realized it would not work he brought in Hewitt. I may be wrong. How do you guys know we are not having a great recruiting class? The guys are not even out of high school yet. Gerald Browner ring a bell?
 
I am concerned about our projecting a "snubbing" image to the Georgia athletes. The continuous moaning about our not recruiting Georgia plays into the hands of UGag.

Hey everybody, we are recruiting Georgia, we love Georgia athletes, and we want you to come to Georgia Tech, a Georgia school whose destiny is bound up with the state of Georgia. If you have to pick between UGag and Georgia Tech, please remember that at Tech you get a world-class degree, and the tutoring will be so extensive that you will graduate. Who, in their right mind, could turn down such an offer.

If I was an athlete just graduating from high school and could get an offer of a scholarship from Georgia Tech with the tutoring assurances, I would grab it so fast that your head would spin.
 
There are some things that must be remembered here.

1. We were predicted to be #6 or 5 or 4th at best in the ACC.

2. Maybe as Tech fans we tended to over rate our talent.

3. The mess GOL left us with discouraged some recruits that might have given us more attention last year.

4. Lets slap CG around for GOL's leaving us for the Catholic U.

5. Lets slap CG for a few of his assistant coaches not being hired. Maybe he did know best.

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7. Maybe GOL left because he knew what talent we had coming back.

8. So unlike BW I'll give CG time to prove himself or then we just get on with the program.

9. I'm glad we didn't hire GOD or BW would have been saying what a horrible hire!!!!!

 
Good post, oldfoggy.

I agree completely. Unfortunately, most Tech fans are pessimistic folk with inferiority complexes. Kind of messes with their reasoning abilities.
 
Originally posted by beeware:
We may be 'technically' recruiting Georgia; but we have no Georgia committs and most (if not all) of the top players from Georgia have either already committed elsewhere or do not even have us listed as under consideration.

Maybe they are recruiting Georgia; but are just as incompetent at recruiting as they are at coaching. It is really a distinction without a difference.

Saying that we are recruiting Georgia with the net affect of no (or few) Georgia recruits actually signing with us is kind of like the guy who owes you a debt and won't pay you but makes this statement:
"I would rather owe it to you than beat you out of it."
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Are you saying that Chan should beat these kids until they commit to GT?
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