The ACCCG

gth816f said:
I really don't understand these theories. If the ACC was fixing games, why wouldn't they do it for Miami when the game is in Tampa and they are the more storied program? And why in the world would BC be allowed to win their division, with a school like FSU and a powerhouse fanbase like Clemson in the same division? I mean, the ACC loves money, and this match showed last year that it wasn't working, so why do it again this year?

And everyone's theory is that the ACC:CG is in Tampa because the ACC figured Miami and FSU would be in the conference championship game(very well may be true), so why would they be working AGAINST that?
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The only thing I said about the ACC was that the refs make mistakes in favor of the long term elite teams (VPI football, Duke basketball). I don't remember saying there was a conspiracy per se, just how things happen and how they make us look bad. The post started by saying that BC had no QB; that has nothing to do with the ACC.
 
People wonder why the ACC gets zero respect. This year is a perfect example. The best team in our conference (GT) doesn't go to the ACC championship. The loser of the ACC championship game will not go to the Gator bowl (Clemson) or Peach Bowl (GT), which makes no sense. According to the ACC, Clemson is the 3rd best team and the loser of the ACCCG is the 4th best team. Then there is the location of the ACCCG. Do they honestly expect people to go down to the non central city of Tampa? Who makes these decisions? Children? Monkeys? UGA fans? The ACC will continue to be the 3rd or 4th or 5th best conference for the rest of time if they keep doing crap like this. I am proud to be a Tech fan, but not proud at all to be in the ACC football conference. We are a total joke on the national stage.
 
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cajunjacket said:
People wonder why the ACC gets zero respect. This year is a perfect example. The best team in our conference (GT) doesn't go to the ACC championship. The loser of the ACC championship game will not go to the Gator bowl (Clemson) or Peach Bowl (GT), which makes no sense. According to the ACC, Clemson is the 3rd best team and the loser of the ACCCG is the 4th best team. Then there is the location of the ACCCG. Do they honestly expect people to go down to the non central city of Jacksonville? Who makes these decisions? Children? Monkeys? UGA grads? The ACC will continue to be the 3rd or 4th or 5th best conference for the rest of time if they keep doing crap like this. I am proud to be a Tech fan, but not proud at all to be in the ACC football conference. We are a total joke on the national stage.
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The problem with this rant is that the ACC is not technically the 3rd, 4th or 5th best conference. Look at the computer rankings, the ACC is second best. Period. The problem with the ACC is the lack of a dominant team. The ACC has a lot of pretty good teams, and a lot of good teams, and one or two really bad teams, but no great team. We're poised to be a great team next year, but right now, when people think ACC, they think of FSU and Miami, and those two teams aren't very good. They're not bad, but the very thing that makes people love the NFL is what is killing the ACC in the media - parity.
 
cajunjacket said:
Who makes these decisions? Children? Monkeys? UGA fans?
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Well, the teams make the decision on who goes to the ACC Championship Game. Demjackets said the ACC is really pissed about this matchup. The individual bowls, not the ACC, make the decisions on who goes to the bowls(and it will look a lot better when Clemson and GT bring 30k+ to the Peach and Gator than it would when BC brough 10k to either of those). And while the ACC did decide the location of the ACC Championship game and it is bad, it's not in Jacksonville.

So basically you went 0-3. :(
 
I'm 100% serious. The refs have been horrible all year (one exception is the Georgia game where somehow we didn't get screwed by our own conference). I'm not just talking about bad calls against us either, I'm talking about the ACC refs in general for the entire season (and even past seasons) being absolutely horrible.

That isn't even the main issue I have with Swofford though. This is one of the best years the ACC has had in a while. We have such a ridiculously strong football conference as a whole. I mean Sagarin has the ACC as the best conference. Yet we have to rely on the media (SEC's CBS, SEC's ESPN, Athens' AJC, etc) to report that the ACC is a hell of a lot better than anyone reported.

Why isn't the ACC out there running Swofford around talking about this? Talking about all the things that make this conference great and how it is arguably the best conference in the country right now in football, and that not only can that be said, but we've got basketball and academics in the bag. I mean sure, we don't have the #1 and #2 teams in the country, but that's for the member schools to worry about. The conference as a whole is what the conference is to worry about, and as a whole we're certainly better than the SEC and arguably on the same level or maybe even better than the Big 12.

Why hasn't the ACC been parading this around for the last month?
 
cajunjacket said:
People wonder why the ACC gets zero respect. This year is a perfect example. The best team in our conference (GT) doesn't go to the ACC championship. The loser of the ACC championship game will not go to the Gator bowl (Clemson) or Peach Bowl (GT), which makes no sense. According to the ACC, Clemson is the 3rd best team and the loser of the ACCCG is the 4th best team. Then there is the location of the ACCCG. Do they honestly expect people to go down to the non central city of Jacksonville? Who makes these decisions? Children? Monkeys? UGA fans? The ACC will continue to be the 3rd or 4th or 5th best conference for the rest of time if they keep doing crap like this. I am proud to be a Tech fan, but not proud at all to be in the ACC football conference. We are a total joke on the national stage.
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you are acting like this is an ACC issue, but this is an issue in every conference and in college football in general. and instead of people embracing the somewhat random way the season plays out, people get upset and want some standard.

different conferences are different. some have more teams than others, some have a championship game and some dont. the rules determining who plays for in the championship games are different for the different conferences too. THERE IS NO EQUALITY in college football in that sense.

Big 12: If Big 12 had slightly different tie-break rules like those of some other conferences, Texas might have been playing in the championship game due to winning head to head. then also, the "best" or highest BCS-ranked team would not be playing in the game

PAC10: if Oregon St had won out, clearly they would have been the champion and USC would have been higher ranked by a bunch. if they lose to UCLA today they would still be higher ranked but Oregon St would go to the Rose

so basically, perception of the masses has little to do with reality. if people keep acting like the ACC is treated like an also ran, then it will be. if we act like a top conference, we will be seen as that if we can produce some title contenders and not have more than one Duke.
 
Allen Koholic said:
The problem with this rant is that the ACC is not technically the 3rd, 4th or 5th best conference. Look at the computer rankings, the ACC is second best. Period. The problem with the ACC is the lack of a dominant team. The ACC has a lot of pretty good teams, and a lot of good teams, and one or two really bad teams, but no great team. We're poised to be a great team next year, but right now, when people think ACC, they think of FSU and Miami, and those two teams aren't very good. They're not bad, but the very thing that makes people love the NFL is what is killing the ACC in the media - parity.
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Well, that's a problem vis. on the field play. There are another problem in that the vast majority of ACC fans are more interested in basketball in December than football, which means that the most important football game for the conference is going to be second fiddle in fan interest.
 
gth816f said:
Well, the teams make the decision on who goes to the ACC Championship Game. Demjackets said the ACC is really pissed about this matchup. The individual bowls, not the ACC, make the decisions on who goes to the bowls(and it will look a lot better when Clemson and GT bring 30k+ to the Peach and Gator than it would when BC brough 10k to either of those). And while the ACC did decide the location of the ACC Championship game and it is bad, it's not in Jacksonville.

So basically you went 0-3. :(
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This is the result of not having a lot of conference "buying power" right now. We can't really "influence" any of the upper bowls at this point, because we aren't a cash cow for them. When GT, CU, FSU, and Miami, and possibly UNC and NCSU get their programs back in order, then we will be bringing fans, our influence will rise, and we won't see this stuff as much.

On a related note, I'd also like to see us negotiate for some of the smaller southeastern bowls in the next round of bowl shuffling. The one in Birmingham would be perfect for a lower ACC/SEC game and the Mobile or NO Bowls would work well for a couple of lower ACC/Mid-major games. We can then work to build those into more respectable bowls. I think the current big-boy bowls are hopelessly loked up, and we need to take a long-term approach to bowls. We need to get out of the west, though, and get into bowls our fans can get to economically.
 
stinger78 said:
Well, that's a problem vis. on the field play. There are another problem in that the vast majority of ACC fans are more interested in basketball in December than football, which means that the most important football game for the conference is going to be second fiddle in fan interest.
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I think this issue is valid only when discussing the schools on Tobacco road. Us, VPISU, FSU, Miami, Clemson are all football schools.

I think there's valid problems with the ACC, such as terrible championship game locations, terrible officiating, terrible commissioner. And then there's the imaginary media created problems, such as UM and FSU not being dominant, parity, and ignoring the facts when talking about conference rankings.
 
My fault on the Jacksonville thing. I meant Tampa and changed it, thanks. Regardless, it is not central. And if the teams are the ones making these decisions, then shame on them. I grew up loving the ACC (used to be a big Duke BBall fan before I went to and graduated from GT) but the conference as a whole has just been extremely frustrating lately (on the football side). And when you turn on the TV and see this joke of an ACC Championship it makes our conference look like a joke: period. It is correct that Sagarin's computer says the ACC is the best conference, but public perception is the most important measure in my opinion. The ACC has to find a way to get more fans to these ACC championship games so we don't look like fools anymore. This is just a rant from a very upset fan who can't stand how the ACC continuously sells itself short on the national stage. I know that our conference is a tough conference from top to bottom, but the casual "drive by" fan doesn't know this. We NEED a dominant team to garner national attention, just like Allen Koholic said. I know I am not the only one frustrated about this conference right now. And the toughest part about it is that there is not one thing to point your finger at (i.e. we can't fix the problem if we don't know what is causing it).
 
Third time in CFB HISTORY that a conference has had 10 bowl eligible teams? Wow.

At least the ABC announcers are pointing these things out, and how we beat up on the SEC as a conference, but then again this is the ACC Championship game. I wish we could get this exposure outside of this joke of a game.
 
Rodzilla said:
Third time in CFB HISTORY that a conference has had 10 bowl eligible teams? Wow.

At least the ABC announcers are pointing these things out, and how we beat up on the SEC as a conference, but then again this is the ACC Championship game. I wish we could get this exposure outside of this joke of a game.
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Bowl season. We need to dominate during this bowl season and show everyone we are for real. We always come up short in bowls, and that has to stop if we want to get respect.
 
Announcers gave us a nice little plug and pointed out we lost to VT by a field goal.

They know we should be there...they know.

VT fans, I hope you take a bunch of pictures...because you're not going back for a long time.
 
WreckTheRest said:
Announcers gave us a nice little plug and pointed out we lost to VT by a field goal.

They know we should be there...they know.

VT fans, I hope you take a bunch of pictures...because you're not going back for a long time.
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I was glad they pointed that out.

Announcer 1: "And the reason GT isn't here is because they lost to VT"
Announcer 2: "By a field goal"

Balls, VT pick and a TD on the next play. I hate VT.

Edit: And I swear if I hear 'Beamer Ball' one more time I'm going to vomit.
 
I hate hearing about "Beamer ball." It might be the most retarded thing I've ever heard about. Since when is getting an interception and scoring off of it patented by Frank Beamer?
 
Tell me about it...I'm sick of hearing "Beamer Ball."

I work in Northern VA, and my direct Manager is VT alum....the gal across from me is a VT alum, too.

So it's like... "ahhhhh...VT" at work.

My Area Sales Manager is an FSU alum. He lost a bottle of Grey Goose to me when we beat them. :fingersx:
 
I hate the Beamer Ball thing too, especially because it has been non-excistent this year. What are they like 10th or so worst in special teams this year?! VT is a really bad team they just managed to play the right teams at the right time. I HATE THEM!!!!!!!!!
 
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