The offense is terrible.

statelinejacket

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Everything from planning to execution is terrible. How can talents like C. Johnson and T. Choice be wasted? By refusing to develop a legitimate quarterback while designing one around someone who not only lacks the focus for the job but whose percieved liabilities take away the intermediate passing game between the hash marks!

How can anyone be so stupid?

Quarterback draw after quarterback draw is a gimmick when it is obvious nothing else in the gameplan will be effective. That is what you saw in the second half. Also this is yet another indication that Reggie is not able to make his teammates better with his play. He is better playing the game by himself than he is with trying to involve his teammates......i.e. a good option quarterback or one with intermidiate passing skills.

I was hopeful till the first scrimmage results was in. Oh yes, remember how we deliberately kept the offense vanilla, no quarterbacks running, no audibles, defense knew the snap count......

Well, the offense is still without wrinkles or purpose.

The quarterback draw is not a weapon that will win you football games....a team game. It's a solo act akin to a pitcher trying to strike everyone out or a shooter who throws up 3 pointers everytime he gets the ball.

No audibles last night. Boy some of y'all screamed at me for nothing!

Or no motion by the tightend, fullback, slotback, etc. in an effort to set up a mismatch or confuse an already slow defense.

Who needs to know the snapcount of an offense without any design or flexibility?

How can highly paid and highly trained football coaches be so stupid.
 
"Terrible" offenses don't average 5 yds/play!

You could make a case that we lost some intensity after the touchdown. And, you could make the case that the Linesman and Referee had a pro ND bias. But to label this offense as terrible is overcooking the stew.:pat:
 
Re: "Terrible" offenses don't average 5 yds/play!

augustabuzz said:
You could make a case that we lost some intensity after the touchdown. And, you could make the case that the Linesman and Referee had a pro ND bias. But to label this offense as terrible is overcooking the stew.:pat:

No, the offense is terrible and I took some pains to point out why with irrefutable facts.

As for a Notre Dame bias, The refs were more than fair last night. Tech got the benefit of several non-calls after Quinn was on the ground or had released the ball. The only real blown call was made by the replay official, not one of the on the field refs.
 
did you watch the game? or go to the game?

1/2 of the game was solid offensive production. Do you think ND has a terrible offense too? 14pts is pretty slight

Maybe you think ND is some scrub team well maybe you should watch the USC/ND game from last year

ND is a solid team and that QB is the best QB in college.

When you attack the QB sneak it shows your ignorance of football. I watched clemson destroy us w/ that play.

How many times was Reggie stuffed on that play?

We have the #2 team in the country on the ropes and you say we are terrible.:hugelaugh:


was the offense terrible when we beat #3 Miami last year?
 
Re: "Terrible" offenses don't average 5 yds/play!

statelinejacket said:
As for a Notre Dame bias, The refs were more than fair last night. Tech got the benefit of several non-calls after Quinn was on the ground or had released the ball. The only real blown call was made by the replay official, not one of the on the field refs.

Damn, what game were you watchin?:wtf:
 
SLJ, it looks like you want to start an argument with anyone that wants to play. I think you see that nearly everyone is unhappy that we seemed to sit on our hands for more than half of last night's game.

The guy you want at QB may be great, but nobody in the program seems to have your opinion at this point. Reggie Ball is our QB this year until he quits or gets hurt. From what I saw last night, RB is not our biggest quarterback problem right now.

I am as concerned about some things as you are the QB situation, believe me.
From what I saw yesterday, we have a sideline issue primarily. That can be fixed, and I believe Radokovich will do it.
 
law_bee said:
did you watch the game? or go to the game?

1/2 of the game was solid offensive production. Do you think ND has a terrible offense too? 14pts is pretty slight

Maybe you think ND is some scrub team well maybe you should watch the USC/ND game from last year

ND is a solid team and that QB is the best QB in college.

When you attack the QB sneak it shows your ignorance of football. I watched clemson destroy us w/ that play.

How many times was Reggie stuffed on that play?

We have the #2 team in the country on the ropes and you say we are terrible.:hugelaugh:


was the offense terrible when we beat #3 Miami last year?

I went to 'ESPN Game Day' early in the day and then to my brothers house in Cumming to watch the game that night.

I haven't said one negative thing about the defense. What are you reading? Certainly not anything I wrote. I have praised the defense in other posts for having a great game.

As for solid offensive production for 1/2 a game: The game is 60 freaking minutes! And 10 points is not solid production. Especially against a defense that didn't stop anyone last year and is not expected to be any better this year.

What was the 3rd down conversion rate? 2-10 (20 percent) can't get much worse!

259 yards total offense against a less than top notch defense.....by comparison Ohio State had about 650 yards in the Fiesta Bowl.

*10 points x 2 halves = 20 points in a game.....which will get you a 90-100 ranking in the NCAA stats at season's end*

The fact that you are endorsing the same ole same ole excuse for an offense says how ignorant you are of football. Then again you have endorsed everything Chan Gailey has done from the moment he arrived.

No doubt you approve of the results of Chan Gailey's attention to the special teams? Do I need to go there also?
 
Re: "Terrible" offenses don't average 5 yds/play!

ramblinwise1 said:
Damn, what game were you watchin?:wtf:

Notre Dame was penalized 11 times for 80 yards.

Tech was penalized 5 times for 28 yards.

What game was you watching?
 
pocket_watch said:
SLJ, it looks like you want to start an argument with anyone that wants to play. I think you see that nearly everyone is unhappy that we seemed to sit on our hands for more than half of last night's game.

The guy you want at QB may be great, but nobody in the program seems to have your opinion at this point. Reggie Ball is our QB this year until he quits or gets hurt. From what I saw last night, RB is not our biggest quarterback problem right now.

I am as concerned about some things as you are the QB situation, believe me.
From what I saw yesterday, we have a sideline issue primarily. That can be fixed, and I believe Radokovich will do it.

No, I am not trying to start arguments. It's obvious where the football knowledge of many of these posters who called in here to argue my scrimmage summations is at. No need to hear it again.

I repeat, the problem with the offense is not just Reggie Ball, though several times I wanted to tell him to just shut up and play last night.

The coaches, Chan Gailey and Pat Nix who made Reggie the starter, who has drawn up the schemes and gameplans with him in mind, are responsible for the creation of the mess we have on offense.

Neglecting sound mechanics, allowing Reggie to basically free lance as a quarterback instead of playing within a solid framework only adds to the problem.....in its 4th year running. To this day we never have seen Reggie take a fundementally fluid 3, 5, or 7 step drop and throw the football to a reciever across the middle.

Speaking of the middle......so does neglecting to use the middle of the field and eligible players as receivers! What the hell are the coaches thinking?

(Pocket_Watch: Instead of telling me you have concerns, how about telling me what them concerns are........)

Rodney Gilmore, during the Lousiville-Kentucky game just commented how important the middle of the field is to the Cardinals passing game. Go figure that one out.

HINT: Tennessee dumped the offensive coordinator who led the Vols to a ranking around 105 last year.

With a new OC. the return of David Cutcliffe and the establishment of a starter, Erik Ainge, with all the tools, the Vols scored 38 points against the #9 team in the nation.


*****Jonathan Garner falls more into the category of having all the tools than any other Tech quarterback(excluding the true freshman)*****

I'm sick as hell of this crap, the drive home last night was terrible, and with the outlook no brighter I don't feel like arguing with anyone. But I do feel like stating my opinion and I don't mind telling them people who dissed me for my scrimmage summations and quarterback concerns that they wouldn't know squat if a sumo wrestler sat his sweaty ass on top of them!
 
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I've got to say that I pretty much agree with stateline on this one. I thought the refs did an ok job. Wheeler did lead with his helmet. The one play that I thought they blew was the push off by #83. Right in front of the ref!!:mad:

First problem I have is with Nix. Can we at least TRY to score a touchdown on 3rd down. Hell, we usually lob it up to CJ in the endzone why not last night? I thought his playcalling was better in the first half than the second.

Second problem I have is with CCG. Why are we not going for it on 4th and 1? Just didn't understand that one. And by giving up the playcalling wasn't he supposed to spend more time with the special teams???????

Here IMHO is the main reason why we will settle for 6-7 wins again this year: Reggie Ball. God love 'em he is a gamer but he just doesn't have the skills to get it done. I love the kid but I will be glad to see him go. His inconsistant play is and has been killing us for the past 3 years and will do so again this year. It's a shame to see what kind of career CJ really could of had with a talented QB throwing to him. You people can disagree with me all you want. It won't change my mind. I will cheer RB on every time he takes the field this year and will also be counting down the games until his career here at Tech is over. I really hope to God I'm wrong about this season but will go on record now saying that we will be lucky to get 7 wins this year.
 
Re: "Terrible" offenses don't average 5 yds/play!

pocket_watch said:
I hate to be picky, but c'mon. :pat:

Not being 'picky' just pointing out the refs obviously didn't have a Notre Dame bias.
 
techjacket: Excellent statement. I was glad Damarius Bilbo moved on......his situation was very hard for me to watch. I'll be glad when Reggie Ball is gone also. 'Gamer' is an accurate description of him but that is not enough to make him a successful quarterback
 
My wife asked me what was wrong with our offense, Saturday night, in a ghetto waffle house. Here's what I told her:

Reggie ball is not a decision maker. He has lots of talent at achieving whatever you tell him to do, but he can't make decisions well. He has to stick to Plan A or he goes into brainlock.

That's why QB draw and QB choice work 10 times better than power, speed, or triple option for our team. We got slammed on the option play all night because Reggie made the decision to pitch when he snapped the ball, not as the play developed. And speed shotgun option is something Tech fans have been begging for. Whoops.

That's why the CJ highlight reel is all circus catches - because Reggie keys in on receivers. That's why no motion, and no audibles.

Now honestly, you guys may think I'm crazy, but this isn't such a bad deal vs really good defenses. Like, say, Miami. Since everybody's likely to be covered anyway, you'd rather have your QB just make sure he executes a good throw on a covered guy, than one who has to hunt and peck for the best option when there might not be one anyway.

And honestly, we can win a lot of games, just like this. Maybe 9. Maybe Georgia. And honestly, we don't have another option.

I tell ya what. If it really was Nix calling the plays in the second half, certainly takes a lot of heat off of Gailey, huh? If Nix calls plays all season, and we get worse, think we'll hire someone else?

One more thing...

The quarterback draw is not a weapon that will win you football games...
In 2000 at BDS, Woody Datzler would dissagree.

Not being 'picky' just pointing out the refs obviously didn't have a Notre Dame bias.
I would agree with this statement. I think they got one call wrong, the whole game, minus the normal "grumbling about holds" that happens every game. That one wrong call was probably not bias, just bad officiating. And that call did, in my opinion, cost us the game. So no, officiating bias did not lose us the game, but sporatidaclly poor officiating on a crucial series did.
 
Did Dantzler and Clemson win a ACC Championship? Has Michael Vick and Atlanta won the NFC Championship? Both have used it when their poorly designed offenses couldn't get anything else done.

I'm not saying it can't be a part of anyone's offense, just that you can't win games with it when the rest of the components of your offense break down.

Dantzler had a helluva day passing the ball in that win.
 
Genius stateline. You can't win with any one play if the rest of your offense breaks down.

The problem I have is that if Reggie is going to be the QB, we need to run the kind of offense he can do well. We did that in the first quarter and about half of the second. Then we went conservative. Reggie actually played pretty well last night all things considered. The coaches didn't give him much of a chance.
 
I didn't like the outcome and personally am very disappointed in an offense that looks ALL too familiar. But its obvious SLJ that you are really looking at anything that will support your opinion for a different QB. I only had to read as far down as you knocking on the QB draw to realize that you really are allowing your dislike override your sensibility.

I was at the game. Before we ran the QB draw, I turned to the guy sitting next to me and said, "We should run the QB draw until they stop it, they got no one in the middle of the field". To say that we called it because nothing else would have been effective is assinine.

Ball is our QB. Am I thrilled? No, but I'm not an idiot to believe that the coaches are stubborn to play a guy who is not in the best interests of the team. If they did, the players would let us all know it, like they did with Lewis.
 
Ball is our QB. Am I thrilled? No, but I'm not an idiot to believe that the coaches are stubborn to play a guy who is not in the best interests of the team.

QFT
 
Running Quarterbacks

The only running Quarterback that i can think of that has won a Super Bowl is Steve Young. Saying that he played in a very well schemed offensive plan. There is no doubt that the Yellow Jackets could scheme much better for R. Ball. He can throw over the middle he just has to know where his recievers are going to be. Then move a step over and throw. John Elway stated that he is SIX FOOT FOUR and could not see over the line very well. He just had to find his lanes.



Blocking Running crisp routes and excellant play calling will be the only thing that help R Ball excel.


Hopefully with two smaller schools coming in for the next two our line play can improve. Play calling develop to a crisper attack.


Personally i would like to see GTech have one of those games that everyone talks about P Nix coaching before he came to GTech. What i mean is offense rolling up HUGE numbers and the defense looking to its own.

Hopefully we will develop some depth the next few years. Being tired late in the game Sat nite just killed our D. They played a whale of a game and gave it their all.

Just my .02cent
 
I tell ya what. If it really was Nix calling the plays in the second half, certainly takes a lot of heat off of Gailey, huh? If Nix calls plays all season, and we get worse, think we'll hire someone else?

what does this mean? Gailey is the head coach, he hired and developed Nix. He made the decision to promote Nix when he decided to step down.
 
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