The offense is terrible.

Barrel: Well you got your wish with the quarterback draws. And they stopped it well enough to keep Tech out of the end zone. And from having any chance at winning the game. Which is the bottom line and my point.

I hated seeing Tech resort to what is basically an improvise on the spot play.

As for me looking for any straw to support my point......wrong! Reggie playing the game as a solo act is stupid. The offense is very poorly developed. Leaving out skill players and their position.....fullback, tightend, slot out of the offense and forfeiting the middle of the field just to play a certain player at quarterback is not too stubborn? Then what the hell is.
 
Stateline, all I can say is I agree w/you 100%. The offense is DOA and something should be done. It is Chan Gailey's greatest failure by far that he refuses to acknowledge that there is a problem and do something proactive about it. One can only imagine at this point that he's just waiting for RB to graduate rather than shuffling the deck immediately. I come close to tears of frustration every time Reggie chunks the ball out of bounds rather than risk an INT knowing that that is as far as our coaches have been able to progress with our #1 QB and I don't mean to rag on RB. Something OBVIOUSLY needs to bee done and it needs to bee done TODAY. And I kinda hate to say it but there it is.
 
Re: "Terrible" offenses don't average 5 yds/play!

statelinejacket said:
Notre Dame was penalized 11 times for 80 yards.

Tech was penalized 5 times for 28 yards.

What game was you watching?
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thats becuz Noter Dame was a committin' more peenaltys. Deys shud of been called fer 180 steps worth of peenaltys.

Them refs was willy critters. They helped out them Irish travelers when theys needed it.
 
State, no offense, but I think you and some others need to get some perspective. We played one of the best teams in the country, and we took it down to the wire. As much as I am disappointed like you in our offensive production and at times play calling, I understand that in football, you have a winner and you have a loser, andnot always can you win the game despite playing very well.

I am disapointed that we lost and wish some things would have been done differently. But we played the #2 team tough and I think there is a lot to hang your hat on from this game.

I think the next two weeks affords us some chances to see what some of our back-ups can do. I will be highly disappointed if we don't take the chance next week to play Bennet and Garner as you so desperately want.
 
Re: "Terrible" offenses don't average 5 yds/play!

State, helmet to helmet was added to protect the QB while in the pocket Quinn was not in the pocket but was a runner trying to make yardage and lowered his head CCG coments on this were right. There is no helmet to helmet outside the pocket unless a player is spearing and trying to cause harm to another player and IMO Wheeler was not attempting to do that.
I also agree that the booth officals had no conclusive proof to overturn the Calvin catch called on the field.
Did the ref's have an ND bias, I don't know, that would be an opinion just like your Bilbo/Garner theory.
 
Re: "Terrible" offenses don't average 5 yds/play!

RickyReck said:
State, helmet to helmet was added to protect the QB while in the pocket Quinn was not in the pocket but was a runner trying to make yardage and lowered his head CCG coments on this were right. There is no helmet to helmet outside the pocket unless a player is spearing and trying to cause harm to another player and IMO Wheeler was not attempting to do that.
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No, no, no. This was not a rule or penalty to protect the quarterback. 'Spearing' is leading with your helmet....anywhere on the field but it is often called on the sidelines because the ball carrier....i.e. quarterback, wide receiver, running back is already out or heading out of bounds.

No one, including me suggests that Wheeler intended to hurt Quinn.....and I seriously doubt that 'intent to harm' it is part of the rule.
 
gnats67 said:
Stateline, all I can say is I agree w/you 100%. The offense is DOA and something should be done. It is Chan Gailey's greatest failure by far that he refuses to acknowledge that there is a problem and do something proactive about it. One can only imagine at this point that he's just waiting for RB to graduate rather than shuffling the deck immediately. I come close to tears of frustration every time Reggie chunks the ball out of bounds rather than risk an INT knowing that that is as far as our coaches have been able to progress with our #1 QB and I don't mean to rag on RB. Something OBVIOUSLY needs to bee done and it needs to bee done TODAY. And I kinda hate to say it but there it is.
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gnats: To bolster our agreement....Furman Bisher's column today includes this excerpt:

"......Travis Bell kicked a field goal, Tech led 10-0 but would not score again. Meanwhile, Weis, who calls his own plays, finally rediscovered Walker, the kid from Buford cut loose and the offense opened up. On the other hand, Georgia Tech lost track of Johnson and Reggie Ball began taking off on his draws, and that suited the Irish fine. They could handle that; Johnson would have been more of a problem"

I want to add the tightend, fullback, slot or the middle of the playing field couldn't be lost track of because they was never in the gameplan.
 
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Stateline you do have points and all I can add is I was at the game and what I saw was a continuation of the "play not to lose" gameplan rather than a play to win plan. As I see it playing not to lose is a product of or lack of faith in a weak offense putting most of the weight on the defense to hold on to the game. That is exactly what I saw Saturday night. The defense did it's job and even in the second half Tech's defense was pretty near burnt but they found the guts to keep giving the offense opportunities. I think we were simply outcoached and outplayed offensively.

As for special teams? I refuse to comment. If you can't say something nice, then ...
 
My recollection in the Quinn-Wheeler collision, Brady is the one who lowered his head in the contact. He indeed should have avoided contact and run to the sideline. A push out of bounds by Wheeler would have then been sufficient. Instead, he was clearly turned upfield and running for all the yardage he could get. Wheeler did not do anything wrong, IMO.
 
State, The rule CLEARLY states that an attempt to punish (harm) is considered spearing.
I have never seen a helmet to helmet rule if you know of one I like to see it just for my information.
This rule in recent memory has been used to protect the QB in the pocket and rarely called on the sideline unless it fits the critera as stated in the rule.

The call made on Sat nite was a bad call that kind of incident could be called on a regular basis if helmet to helmet were actually a rule.
Wheeler and Quinn lowered thier heads.


Current NCAA Rules

1. Spearing is the use of the helmet (including the face mask) in an attempt to punish an opponent.
2. No player shall use his helmet (including the face mask) to butt or ram an opponent or attempt to punish him.
3. No player shall strike a runner with the crown or top of the helmet in an attempt to punish him.
 
Yes, I read all this on the Hive also. But farther down someone points out that in the rule book that it states that helmet to helmet contact is never to be considered legal.....WTTE. We just have to agree to disagree because I don't think Wheeler ever intended to hurt Quinn. But I do think that intentional or not he did lead with his helmet to hit a player who was heading out of bounds.
 
I have to agree with slj. Or at least you can say that the offense gets terrible results. Those results speak for themselves. It isn't like we have been stopped this one game, but time after time of subpar offensive production.

The question is: is it personnel or scheme? Personnel can be fixed over time by brining in better players. Scheme can only be fixed if those in charge agree to do something different. I didn't see a lot different on Saturday that we have been seeing for the past few years. I do think our OL played subpar and that led to early abandonment of the running game. It was not encouraging that when Calvin was double teamed we couldn't get anyone else open, especially when ND is not thought to have a great defensive backfield.
 
Oh, that ought to end this argument. Brady Quinn took a vicious hit from Wheeler.

Note, Kenny Scott got away with one on that tape. Maybe they all just even up after all.
 
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