Things are never as good or bad as they seem...

[18in32]

People really don't get it. We were over .500 every year with talent like Calvin and Choice and some absolutely stellar defenses, together earning some all-time great Tech victories - and this place was still an absolute ööööfest and a war zone with a quantum of the humor it has now. Please stop comparing them.

If levels of anguish are comparable it's because the problem is comparable – because the main things fans want to see is evidence of progress.

 

[ClubSeats]

but they are about as bad as I have ever seen them. It hurts to lose talents like Gibbs and Mason, but the truth is O.J. Simpson and Barry Sanders would have a hard time being successful behind our O-line. Same for the QB's. I've seen physical growth from the O-line, but something is missing from the technique. If someone can fix that, we can be successful sooner rather than later with whoever we have in the backfield. The D-line will have to apply more pressure, so our secondary doesn't constantly get put on front street. I've only missed 4 Tech-uga games since 1984, this was one of them, and I have lived 500 miles from Atlanta and even more from Athens for the past 20 years. I saw enough the week before at Notre Dame. I would give up if I could, but I will never be able to. I would like to be able to look forward to football season, instead of dreading it. Since we are sticking with Collins, I'll get behind it...but he better f'ing fix things quick. Grant Field also needs to be grass and we need more traditional uniforms and less blaring rap music to get "crunk," and more fundamentally sound football. And way more wins. That's all.

 

[RWLRAR]

Sure. I'm 41.

 

[The Jacket]

Sure. I'm 41.

You're getting the response you are because you mentioned real issues and valid credentials, and then described your personal preference for the way things used to be as something Tech as a football program needs to do. My advice to anyone who, like you, will be cheering for Tech until the day you die: spare yourself some misery and either be open-minded with the new things like the playing of music you don't like, uniforms that don't look the way you wish they would, and a playing surface that is objectively superior to grass in every conceivable way, because things are not going back, ever. I'm not being a prick and I'm not trying to rub it in (except for the turf) but this is how things are. As I have said before, I am not wild about the new uniforms, I am way, way out of touch on whatever music kids get hype from now, and the conversion of team identities into a collection of short-lived memes makes my stomach turn. But those things are not for me, they are for players and fans who are younger than I am, who do not know - and will never know - the college football I fell in love with.

 

[JoeCakeEater]

I, for one, think this has been our finest hour.

For the second time in my life, Georgia Tech is teaching me that nothing can break me. I remain Unbroken!

 

[Olgoldandwhie]

Rightfully so. Anyone who has no complaints about the season that just happened either doesn't really care, or is too stupid to understand what a historical failure it was. I'm here to say that I'm not, can't give up on Tech Football. If we pay someone half a million dollars to teach our players how to block, they should be able to do it. I don't think that is too much to ask

Truth 100%!

 

[Akinji07]

I started complaining about Geoff after NIU, which is why I started the approval threads. It’s that at this points complaints aren’t gonna do anything because I realized that Todd is a piece of öööö and he’s not gonna do anything. So until he’s gone Tech football is a zombie. So at this point complaining about the clown is pointless.

 

[zippyGT]

I started complaining about Geoff after NIU, which is why I started the approval threads. It’s that at this points complaints aren’t gonna do anything because I realized that Todd is a piece of öööö and he’s not gonna do anything. So until he’s gone Tech football is a zombie. So at this point complaining about the clown is pointless.

In its current state, GT is one of the worst coaching jobs in the country: you have 3-win talent this year and just lost your best player, you have a terd of a program you’re selling in the most hotly recruited area of the country, most recruits can’t get in, empty stadium, no money relative to the big programs, very difficult schedule.

The problem for TStan is that if he hires a dud, he’s gone. With the above, his only options will be high risk guys who are more likely to be duds than successes. So his safer option is to give CGC another year, see if new Xs and Os guys can figure it out. If not, then take the risk next year when the buyout won’t financially crush the AA.

You may not like it, but his decision is reasonable.

 

[ClubSeats]

Sure. I'm 41.

Then act your age.

 

[LegendaryGT]

In its current state, GT is one of the worst coaching jobs in the country: you have 3-win talent this year and just lost your best player, you have a terd of a program you’re selling in the most hotly recruited area of the country, most recruits can’t get in, empty stadium, no money relative to the big programs, very difficult schedule.

The problem for TStan is that if he hires a dud, he’s gone. With the above, his only options will be high risk guys who are more likely to be duds than successes. So his safer option is to give CGC another year, see if new Xs and Os guys can figure it out. If not, then take the risk next year when the buyout won’t financially crush the AA.

You may not like it, but his decision is reasonable.

Nah

 

[Liberty]

Fake fans, just like you.

You got me. How did you figure it out?

 

[GoBees]

#1 there are no phony majors, all States have Boards or Regents or Chancellors at the State Level to oversee Colleges.

The problem with CFB is obvious, if the players that Generate the Revenue got a small piece of the pie (money generated) that would balance the scales.

Instead it goes to Coaches, and if I was a Coach with a $8 to $11 Million dollar yearly salary hanging in the balance based on winning, then hell yeah I'd cheat too, especially since the NCAA is corrupt anyway.

Before you get your panties in a wad, if all P5 Colleges had a "carve out" for let's say $5MM to pay the REVENUE GENERATORS (FB & MBB roughly 100 players-stipends)

Don't call it a salary, cancel the full cost of attendance stipend, and instead have all NCAA P5 Teams give out these "stipends" to go along with the full FB & MBB scholarships for the P5 -- that's 100 stipends X $50K per stipend = $5 Million in yearly carve out Money.

With everyone at every college getting the same stipend (could be as low as $35K or $3.5MM total) , the Players are more likely to evenly distribute among all P5 Teams rather than loading up at a few Blue Bloods.

Title IX and other things will have to be dealt with, because T9 doesn't say you give everyone the same thing, the Law says equal access to facilities, but the law has been twisted into 2 Sports raising money and then those Monies get redistributed to sports that have equal access to facilities but cannot raise any money.

Regardless, as long as all the Money is concentrated among the coaches , there's no incentive for Players to spread out among the 65 P5 colleges.

BTW, don't let the colleges tell you they can't afford to give FB & MBB the stipends they deserve, coming off of a bad year due to CV19 , College Athl Depts are spending like King Midas while searching for coaches.

15yrs ago at Bama, Saban got $4million and his Staff got $4million total, now Saban gets $11Million and his on field Staff gets the same $11 Million (doesn't include 100 analysts behind the scenes)

In 15yrs Bama went from paying on field coaches $8 million per year to $22 million per yr, there has to be money for Players that generate the Revenues to get larger stipends.

This is the only way to balance the distribution of talented players - pay them the same stipend at all 65 P5 Colleges.

IMO this is the only way to save the Sport going forward.

Mandate a % (maybe as large as 25-30%) of each HC package gets allocated to the players. Hell, make a % of that allocated to minor sport athletes. That will force the AAs (and the schools) to think twice when offering these crazy salaries to the HC while claiming amateur status for the athletes. HC pay goes up, then the athlete stipend goes up.
Oh, and make almost all of it payable to the athlete after reaching graduation milestones.

 

[cbee]

I started to sense it when the first big round of conference reallignments happened a few years ago, destroying long-standing traditional rivalries like they were just so much chaff.

I got a bad feeling with the transfer portal.

And I was afraid that NIL was going to be the final NaIL in the coffin.

For decades college football has balanced on the edge of legitimacy. Payments to family under the table. Golden handshakes from boosters after games. No-show summer jobs at companies owned by boosters. Rock bottom admission standards for athletes. No-show classes. Phony "college" majors. But if you squinted tight enough and swallowed hard enough, it still sort of seemed like amateur college athletics.

The thin veneer is gone for good. I see fewer and fewer connections between the football teams and the educational operations of the colleges whose names they bear - at least in P5 and arguably throughout FBS.

This past week's coaching carousel and the events in Tech's football program have really driven that home to me. I guess I have several months now to contemplate what, if anything, "college" football means to me any more. Maybe there will not be very many others like me . . . but I doubt I will be the only one.

I'm with you. Heard an announcer use the term "student athlete" during one of the weekend games. What a joke that has become.

 

[GT98]

The problem for TStan is that if he hires a dud, he’s gone. With the above, his only options will be high risk guys who are more likely to be duds than successes. So his safer option is to give CGC another year, see if new Xs and Os guys can figure it out. If not, then take the risk next year when the buyout won’t financially crush the AA.

You may not like it, but his decision is reasonable.

If CGC and the new coordinators cannot turn things around, I doubt TDope is picking the next coach. He needs to be gone as well.

 

[zippyGT]

If CGC and the new coordinators cannot turn things around, I doubt TDope is picking the next coach. He needs to be gone as well.

You can disagree, but this is the best move by TStan, which is why he's doing it.

 

[GoldenIsle]

People really don't get it. We were over .500 every year with talent like Calvin and Choice and some absolutely stellar defenses, together earning some all-time great Tech victories - and this place was still an absolute ööööfest and a war zone with a quantum of the humor it has now. Please stop comparing them.

We should have had a couple of very good years with Choice and Calvin. CCG running the offense screwed that up.

 

[RWLRAR]

You're getting the response you are because you mentioned real issues and valid credentials, and then described your personal preference for the way things used to be as something Tech as a football program needs to do. My advice to anyone who, like you, will be cheering for Tech until the day you die: spare yourself some misery and either be open-minded with the new things like the playing of music you don't like, uniforms that don't look the way you wish they would, and a playing surface that is objectively superior to grass in every conceivable way, because things are not going back, ever. I'm not being a prick and I'm not trying to rub it in (except for the turf) but this is how things are. As I have said before, I am not wild about the new uniforms, I am way, way out of touch on whatever music kids get hype from now, and the conversion of team identities into a collection of short-lived memes makes my stomach turn. But those things are not for me, they are for players and fans who are younger than I am, who do not know - and will never know - the college football I fell in love with.

Maybe the fans younger than us will never fall in love with Georgia Tech Football, the way we did and the way my father and grandfather did, because too many years have been spent chipping away at our identity, which was great, and had worked for generations.
When we have back-to-back-to-back 3 win seasons, maybe someone should realize the hype music is not only not working, it's become a distraction. And the first time a player decides and declares he won't be entering the transfer portal because of the "dope" Navy pants, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. Win lots of football games and it's easier for me to overlook my personal preferences (barely noticed the bubble wrap uni's when Tech was waxing Southern Cal in the Sun Bowl), but I don't understand why we are sacrificing things that are important to people for diminishing returns.

 

[THWG247]

I think you should follow your heart and give it up. Just stop caring about it and even talking about it forever. It will never again be what you want it to be and waiting several whole months will not change that. Just do it now do it

I would add- Just delete your account and never look back! You can never get back the years of time you’ve wasted on ST but you can start living a full life today!

 

[1982Jacket]

#1 there are no phony majors, all States have Boards or Regents or Chancellors at the State Level to oversee Colleges.

The problem with CFB is obvious, if the players that Generate the Revenue got a small piece of the pie (money generated) that would balance the scales.

Instead it goes to Coaches, and if I was a Coach with a $8 to $11 Million dollar yearly salary hanging in the balance based on winning, then hell yeah I'd cheat too, especially since the NCAA is corrupt anyway.

Before you get your panties in a wad, if all P5 Colleges had a "carve out" for let's say $5MM to pay the REVENUE GENERATORS (FB & MBB roughly 100 players-stipends)

Don't call it a salary, cancel the full cost of attendance stipend, and instead have all NCAA P5 Teams give out these "stipends" to go along with the full FB & MBB scholarships for the P5 -- that's 100 stipends X $50K per stipend = $5 Million in yearly carve out Money.

With everyone at every college getting the same stipend (could be as low as $35K or $3.5MM total) , the Players are more likely to evenly distribute among all P5 Teams rather than loading up at a few Blue Bloods.

Title IX and other things will have to be dealt with, because T9 doesn't say you give everyone the same thing, the Law says equal access to facilities, but the law has been twisted into 2 Sports raising money and then those Monies get redistributed to sports that have equal access to facilities but cannot raise any money.

Regardless, as long as all the Money is concentrated among the coaches , there's no incentive for Players to spread out among the 65 P5 colleges.

BTW, don't let the colleges tell you they can't afford to give FB & MBB the stipends they deserve, coming off of a bad year due to CV19 , College Athl Depts are spending like King Midas while searching for coaches.

15yrs ago at Bama, Saban got $4million and his Staff got $4million total, now Saban gets $11Million and his on field Staff gets the same $11 Million (doesn't include 100 analysts behind the scenes)

In 15yrs Bama went from paying on field coaches $8 million per year to $22 million per yr, there has to be money for Players that generate the Revenues to get larger stipends.

This is the only way to balance the distribution of talented players - pay them the same stipend at all 65 P5 Colleges.

IMO this is the only way to save the Sport going forward.

there are no phony majors, all States have Boards or Regents or Chancellors at the State Level to oversee Colleges.

The irony of that statement is world class, given your apparent understanding of the phony and corrupt nature of the NCAA. I mean, you do realize who make up the NCAA Board of Governors, don't you?

 

[1982Jacket]

You're getting the response you are because you mentioned real issues and valid credentials, and then described your personal preference for the way things used to be as something Tech as a football program needs to do. My advice to anyone who, like you, will be cheering for Tech until the day you die: spare yourself some misery and either be open-minded with the new things like the playing of music you don't like, uniforms that don't look the way you wish they would, and a playing surface that is objectively superior to grass in every conceivable way, because things are not going back, ever. I'm not being a prick and I'm not trying to rub it in (except for the turf) but this is how things are. As I have said before, I am not wild about the new uniforms, I am way, way out of touch on whatever music kids get hype from now, and the conversion of team identities into a collection of short-lived memes makes my stomach turn. But those things are not for me, they are for players and fans who are younger than I am, who do not know - and will never know - the college football I fell in love with.

Yes, you are being a prick. But you can't help it. That's what you are.