This is Football? (Officiating)

BeerNutts said:
That's the problem. How are the players supposed to know he's out? His foot hit the line, and be OOB, but he continues to run like he's in bounds. Does the defender know he went out of bounds? Should he stop playing because he thought he might have been OOB?

I've been in this situation as a defensive player. A guy is running down the sidelines, the last you you want to do is watch his feet to see if he's stepping OOB. the second your eyes leave the ballcarriers head/waist, that guy cuts inside and burns you.

The refs need to allow leeway. There's no cut and dry yes or no here. It's a difficult position for defenders, and if I were a coach, I'd opt to assume h'es in bounds until it's obvious he isn't.
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I agree. The defensive player is taught to attack to and through the player. The attack zone is currently just the field of play but that gray area between on the field and off the field is zero.

Add in a little gray area so the defender can attack to and through the player on the field and if the player just happens to step out late you have a bigger gray area in order to adjust.

I desperately want to take the refs out of the game and this call happens in almost every game played. It would be easy to fix. The game is becoming very hard to referee as players have gotten better and better. Help out the ref by helping out the defender.
 
Did anybody see the uncalled head-to-head hit last night on MNF? Incidental contact between the RB and the defender. It shows that not every time helmets hit is an egregious penalty. There still has to be malice on the part of the defender in leading with the helmet.
 
BeerNutts said:
That's the problem. How are the players supposed to know he's out? His foot hit the line, and be OOB, but he continues to run like he's in bounds. Does the defender know he went out of bounds? Should he stop playing because he thought he might have been OOB?

I've been in this situation as a defensive player. A guy is running down the sidelines, the last you you want to do is watch his feet to see if he's stepping OOB. the second your eyes leave the ballcarriers head/waist, that guy cuts inside and burns you.

The refs need to allow leeway. There's no cut and dry yes or no here. It's a difficult position for defenders, and if I were a coach, I'd opt to assume h'es in bounds until it's obvious he isn't.
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But my point is it really doesn't come up that often. Usually when it's called there is no question. So why change something that isn't a big problem when there are other issues to be more worried about.
 
floridajacket said:
Did anybody see the uncalled head-to-head hit last night on MNF? Incidental contact between the RB and the defender. It shows that not every time helmets hit is an egregious penalty. There still has to be malice on the part of the defender in leading with the helmet.
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Helmet-to-helmet isn't a penalty in the NFL.
 
floridajacket said:
Did anybody see the uncalled head-to-head hit last night on MNF? Incidental contact between the RB and the defender. It shows that not every time helmets hit is an egregious penalty. There still has to be malice on the part of the defender in leading with the helmet.
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Helmet to helmet isn't always a penalty in college either. Read the rule. When a RB and a tackler collide during play there is no penalty.

In the pros, you do get flagged for contact to the QB's helmet in almost all cases. No worries about malice, it's just the rule. For example, trying to block a pass, following through and hitting the QB's helmet, no matter how hard will get you a flag.
 
Dude, if it's a QB exception, we need to be pumping the refs seriously on that. Our QBs take helmet contact every play.
 
beej67 said:
Dude, if it's a QB exception, we need to be pumping the refs seriously on that. Our QBs take helmet contact every play.
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It's a QB exception in the NFL, not the NCAA. The penalty is "blow to the head." Nothing about helmet-to-helmet. The NCAA rule IS about helmet-to-helmet, but it doesn't say anything about a QB(even though the rule is almost exclusively called for hits on QBs due to everyone wanting to protect them so much.)
 
beej67 said:
Dude, if it's a QB exception, we need to be pumping the refs seriously on that. Our QBs take helmet contact every play.
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As mentioned, it's an NFL rule. In the NCAA when you're running the ball and both you and the tackler are making contact it's just football.
 
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