Tommy Bowden / Paul Johnson

Dude, no. I was at Clemson when Bowden was there, and there is no comparison. He was a decent recruiter but an awful coach. Clemson was a sleeping giant that Bowden was holding back. Dabo is a great coach, but there's a reason a real estate agent was able to turn Clemson into a powerhouse.

Here are some better comparisons:

Mike Leach 129-87 @ TTU and WSU (60%)

Bill Snyder 213-115 @ K St (65%)

David Cutcliffe @ Duke 64-68 (48%)

James Franklin @ Vandy 24-15 (62%)

Art Briles @ Baylor 65-37 (63%)

Pat Fitzgerald @ Northwestern 90-58 (57%)

Steve Spurrier @ USCe 85-54 (61%)


See some similarities? Here are some things they have in common:

1) All are at schools with some type of built-in disadvantage (some more than others)
2) All won at a higher level than their predecessors
3) All of their programs fell off the map when they left (it's inevitably going to happen to NW, Duke, K St, and WSU)

Literally none of those things are true for Bowden.
 
johncu said:
Dude, no. I was at Clemson when Bowden was there, and there is no comparison. He was a decent recruiter but an awful coach. Clemson was a sleeping giant that Bowden was holding back. Dabo is a great coach, but there's a reason a real estate agent was able to turn Clemson into a powerhouse.

Here are some better comparisons:

Mike Leach 129-87 @ TTU and WSU (60%)

Bill Snyder 213-115 @ K St (65%)

David Cutcliffe @ Duke 64-68 (48%)

James Franklin @ Vandy 24-15 (62%)

Art Briles @ Baylor 65-37 (63%)

Pat Fitzgerald @ Northwestern 90-58 (57%)

Steve Spurrier @ USCe 85-54 (61%)


See some similarities? Here are some things they have in common:

1) All are at schools with some type of built-in disadvantage (some more than others)
2) All won at a higher level than their predecessors
3) All of their programs fell off the map when they left (it's inevitably going to happen to NW, Duke, K St, and WSU)

Literally none of those things are true for Bowden.
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JJacket said:
I have never understood why we can't leverage us being in Atlanta.
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It's not for lack of effort. Do you hear the PA system in our stadium during games? Saturday I wasn't sure if I was at da club or at a GT football game. Miserable faces around me confirmed the latter.
 
jts1207 said:
Bowden 72-45 @ Clemson

Johnson 78-57 @GT

So my question is do we have any position coaches that used to sell real estate which can step up and turn us into a national powerhouse?
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Tommy Bowden never had a losing season, if so he would have been let go earlier. They care about their program
 
atlanta jacket said:
Tommy Bowden never had a losing season, if so he would have been let go earlier. They care about their program
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Who has more victories against Top 25, Top 10, and Top 5 teams?
Who made "Clemsoning" and any variation thereof a thing?
Who has more ACC coach of the year awards?
Who has more ACC titles?
Who has more BCS/NYE6 bowls? And wins?

öööö off with this Tommy Bowden is in the same ööööing hemisphere as Paul Johnson.
 
ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
Who has more victories against Top 25, Top 10, and Top 5 teams?
Who made "Clemsoning" and any variation thereof a thing?
Who has more ACC coach of the year awards?
Who has more ACC titles?
Who has more BCS/NYE6 bowls? And wins?

öööö off with this Tommy Bowden is in the same ööööing hemisphere as Paul Johnson.
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Again, who never had a losing season at Clemson,that is what i said and it is TRUE
 
johncu said:
Dude, no. I was at Clemson when Bowden was there, and there is no comparison. He was a decent recruiter but an awful coach. Clemson was a sleeping giant that Bowden was holding back. Dabo is a great coach, but there's a reason a real estate agent was able to turn Clemson into a powerhouse.

Here are some better comparisons:

Mike Leach 129-87 @ TTU and WSU (60%)

Bill Snyder 213-115 @ K St (65%)

David Cutcliffe @ Duke 64-68 (48%)

James Franklin @ Vandy 24-15 (62%)

Art Briles @ Baylor 65-37 (63%)

Pat Fitzgerald @ Northwestern 90-58 (57%)

Steve Spurrier @ USCe 85-54 (61%)


See some similarities? Here are some things they have in common:

1) All are at schools with some type of built-in disadvantage (some more than others)
2) All won at a higher level than their predecessors
3) All of their programs fell off the map when they left (it's inevitably going to happen to NW, Duke, K St, and WSU)

Literally none of those things are true for Bowden.
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What's the comparison to Kirk Ferentz (Iowa)? I feel like they fall off the map for a few years then make a run and he's been there a while. I don't have time to look for myself.

Edit: Took time to quickly look from Wiki and didn't fact check.

Ferentz: 148-98 (60%) - now in 20th season
2 Orange and 1 Rose
3 time division champ (02, 04, 15)
2 conf titles (02 and 04)
only 3 losing seasons and 2 were his first 2 at Iowa
 
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gtg970g said:
It's not for lack of effort. Do you hear the PA system in our stadium during games? Saturday I wasn't sure if I was at da club or at a GT football game. Miserable faces around me confirmed the latter.
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Thankfully, the UN is generally empty except for UGAg and Clemmons
 
gtg970g said:
It's not for lack of effort. Do you hear the PA system in our stadium during games? Saturday I wasn't sure if I was at da club or at a GT football game. Miserable faces around me confirmed the latter.
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Oh no. They play black people music.
 
johncu said:
Dude, no. I was at Clemson when Bowden was there, and there is no comparison. He was a decent recruiter but an awful coach. Clemson was a sleeping giant that Bowden was holding back. Dabo is a great coach, but there's a reason a real estate agent was able to turn Clemson into a powerhouse.

Here are some better comparisons:

Mike Leach 129-87 @ TTU and WSU (60%)

Bill Snyder 213-115 @ K St (65%)

David Cutcliffe @ Duke 64-68 (48%)

James Franklin @ Vandy 24-15 (62%)

Art Briles @ Baylor 65-37 (63%)

Pat Fitzgerald @ Northwestern 90-58 (57%)

Steve Spurrier @ USCe 85-54 (61%)


See some similarities? Here are some things they have in common:

1) All are at schools with some type of built-in disadvantage (some more than others)
2) All won at a higher level than their predecessors
3) All of their programs fell off the map when they left (it's inevitably going to happen to NW, Duke, K St, and WSU)

Literally none of those things are true for Bowden.
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I thought Tommy Bowden "resigned" and was not fired. Like he felt he was burned out, not getting it done, etc.
 
Yukonwreck said:
I thought Tommy Bowden "resigned" and was not fired. Like he felt he was burned out, not getting it done, etc.
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They told him he'd be fired at the end of the season, and he said if he's not getting it done then they need to make the change right then.
 
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