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I know we all hate Mark Bradley from the UGAJC but he released his list of top 10 college football coaches.

10. Bob Stoops, Oklahoma: Used to win all his big games; now loses all his big games. I wonder how he’d do in the SEC East. (Not well, I don’t think.)
9. Paul Johnson, Georgia Tech: Does what he does and does it wherever he goes. He and Jim Grobe of Wake Forest are the best pure coaches in the land.
8. Mark Richt, Georgia: I used to think a national championship was inevitable, and maybe it still is. But I can’t say Richt had his finest hour in 2008.
7. Les Miles, LSU: What can I say? The guy has grown on me. And I liked the action he took to fix his defense. (Feel free to make obvious Georgia comparison.)
6. Pete Carroll, Southern Cal: I know, I know. This seems a little low. But he loses way too many games he shouldn’t. He’s the antithesis of Vincent J. Dooley.
5. Frank Beamer, Virginia Tech: How many games can you win with defense and blocked kicks? At last count, 176. (Plus two ties.)
4. Nick Saban, Alabama: I’m not sure he’s quite as great as his malignant aura would suggest — there’s only one Evil Genius, after all — but he’s really good.
3. Jim Tressel, Ohio State: Yeah, I know Ohio State looked awful against Florida and LSU. But the Buckeyes are about to win another BCS title soon enough.
2. Mack Brown, Texas: He has the rep of being just a recruiter, but does he recruit any better than Carroll? And who won when those two guys’ best teams met?
1. Urban Meyer, Florida: I don’t much care for him, either, but you can’t argue with the results. He has two national titles in less time than it took Steve Spurrier to win one.


What do y'all think? I haven't thought of my list (coming later today) but I don't agree with much of this list.
 
I don't know how you can argue too much. Maybe positions on the list but most of those guys are going to be on anyone's top 10 just based on results.
 
It is always tough to make a top 10 list, especially when you are required to be biased to your in-state coaches. I think it is odd that he is ommitting Bowden and Paterno. I know they aren't really coaching their teams anymore, but if you look at their careers, they have to be up there.

Maybe he left them out because he is talking about who has been a good coach lately. If that is the case, then he has to put Tressel further down on that list because he has choked in the post season the past few years and is in the Mickey Mouse Conference. He would also have to take off Richt and put someone like Turner Gill on there for overachieving.

You can find problems with any top 10 list, because so much of it is based upon opinion.
 
I think if we beat em again this year and wind up with more wins, PJ >> MR.
Right now people don't say such cause Richts been in that hole for a while and winning games, but after losing to us last year (when honestly they should've been the team, out of all the teams that we played, that would beat us)....
 
I would honestly say for the type of recruits he gets and what not, I would say Vanderbilt's Bobby Johnson should be on the list.
 
Initial thought:

If "[Paul Johnson] and Jim Grobe of Wake Forest are the best pure coaches in the land," why is Paul Johnson #9 and Jim Grobe nowhere to be seen?

Kinda ruins your list of "top 10 college football coaches" doesn't it?
 
LowcountryJacket said:
Initial thought:

If "[Paul Johnson] and Jim Grobe of Wake Forest are the best pure coaches in the land," why is Paul Johnson #9 and Jim Grobe nowhere to be seen?

Kinda ruins your list of "top 10 college football coaches" doesn't it?
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This is what I first thought when I read this.

The list is the most bland thing on the face of this planet. Congratulations, Mark. You've compiled a list of ten coaches that have successful teams that everybody slobbers over. Groundbreaking stuff here.
 
LowcountryJacket said:
Initial thought:

If "[Paul Johnson] and Jim Grobe of Wake Forest are the best pure coaches in the land," why is Paul Johnson #9 and Jim Grobe nowhere to be seen?

Kinda ruins your list of "top 10 college football coaches" doesn't it?
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No, it doesn't. There's a lot more to coaching than pure Xs and Os, especially in college football where you also have to recruit and you only have players for a limited time.
 
ncjacket said:
I don't know how you can argue too much. Maybe positions on the list but most of those guys are going to be on anyone's top 10 just based on results.
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Its not a very thought provoking list. 4 schools from the SEC, 2 from the ACC, 2 from the Big 12, 1 from the Pac ten and Big Ten respectively. Didn't take a whole lot of effort to come up with that list. All the schools mentioned minus one (us) are football giants with huge student bodies, massive fanbase, and consistently in the top 10.

Where's Brian Kelly or Jim Grobe? Or how about Gary Patterson, Mike Leach or June Jones? I think all of those guys are great coaches... these guys are just sitting on top a locomotive that runs itself.
 
BarrelORum said:
Where's Brian Kelly or Jim Grobe? Or how about Gary Patterson, Mike Leach or June Jones? I think all of those guys are great coaches... these guys are just sitting on top a locomotive that runs itself.
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Charlie Weis and his top 5 recruiting classes disagree. So does Auburn and its recently broken string of victories over Alabama.
 
Given entirely even coaching staffs, how would you expect the SEC to line up based on athletic department budget, recruiting bases, fan support, etc.

I think:
UF
bama
LSU
UGa
UT
Aub
Ark
Ole Miss
SC
Miss St
UK
Vandy

Given that list, I would say that MR is on par with recently fired TT or Phat Phil. But MR hasn't accomplished as much as either of those guys.
 
I would put UGA second behind UF.

They have money, facilities and fans to rival anyone. Their overall talent availability is better than Alabama's, and only marginally if at all worse than Florida's. Didn't Forbes rank UGA #3 in terms of "program monetary value"?

The state of Georgia is #4 in HS talent -- but #1 through #3 have 4 in-state BCS schools and other D1A schools, in addition to being three biggest areas of focus for the rest of the nation.

In talent per in-state school, Georgia leads hands down. Georgia has a huge population and a LOT of HS talent to have only two D1A schools.

Especially when the in-state rival offers MUCH less recruiting competition than an Auburn, FSU, aTm or UCLA -- because GT.....

1. Is MUCH smaller.
2. Has the most restrictive academic standards and curriculum of any public school.
3. Is now recruiting an entirely different type of offensive player for most positions.

Taking all that into consideration, I really believe that only UF and Texas could possibly have it much better than UGA does.

It's hard to see how Mark Richt is the bee's knees. Certainly a good coach, and much better than the two clowns UGA hired before him. But so far he's less than great given the resources at his disposal.
 
GoldenTornado said:
In talent per in-state school, Georgia leads hands down. Georgia has a huge population and a LOT of HS talent to have only two D1A schools.

Especially when the in-state rival offers MUCH less recruiting competition than an Auburn, FSU, aTm or UCLA -- because GT.....

1. Is MUCH smaller.
2. Has the most restrictive academic standards and curriculum of any public school.
3. Is now recruiting an entirely different type of offensive player for most positions.
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Which will make it even sweeter when CPJ starts winning more than his share of the in-state recruiting battles and kicking UGay's @$$ more on the field. Then we really will see some weeping and gnashing of teeth from the Muttnation about losing to our small "trade school" despite their superior so-called "birthright".
 
I'd have to say UGA is probably #1 in the bell and whistles department for SEC football programs. They could say they're #1 in the nation. I mean they're in-state rival is more known for engineering than football. That being said, I was listening to 790 around lunch, and they had some great points about how the SEC "top" teams (coaches) are only around .500 against top 25 teams. Barnhart and other SEC numb nuts always put the ACC down for fairing poorly against top 10 teams. Hell who does fair well against top 10 teams? My guess is maybe USC.
 
08/09 Sugar Bowl: Alabama v. Utah.

What happened in this game with the mighty SEC and the who knows where it's at MWC?
 
I don't think there's a beter coach in the nation for Tech than the one we have right now. I don't think any of the other coaches on these lists could have had as much success in their first year with a team full of freshman and sophomores. He won at Navy during an unpopular war. This year I predict PJ will win coach of the year awards for winning the ACC with that gimmicky offense. Oh yeah, f*** Florida, UGA, and the rest of the SEC. They're like Yankee and Red Sox fans, you hate one more than the other, but they all really suck.
 
gth816f said:
No, it doesn't. There's a lot more to coaching than pure Xs and Os, especially in college football where you also have to recruit and you only have players for a limited time.
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No doubt there's more to it than pure Xs and Os. No one is arguing that.

We all know that as long as Paul Johnson is at GT he will not be able to recruit as freely as the rest of those programs because of school limitations. Same could be said of Grobe at Wake. And isn't most recruiting really handled by the rest of the staff and Recruiting Coordinators? Most of the leg work anyway. Does that mean he can't be the best coach as long as he's at GT?

Is all the "other stuff" really that much more important that being the best at Xs and Os (if that's what "best pure coach" means) doesn't even rate you in the top 10?

I'm not arguing that either of them deserve higher than where they are. Just questioning the validity of a list that names them the two best pure coaches, and doesn't even rank one of them.
 
As for putting PJ on the list, anyone who leads Navy over ND (in South Bend no less), deserves to be on the list.
 
LowcountryJacket said:
I'm not arguing that either of them deserve higher than where they are. Just questioning the validity of a list that names them the two best pure coaches, and doesn't even rank one of them.
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Well, I think there are a lot of people who would rate Jon Tenuta as one of the best Xs and Os defensive coordinator in the business. Based on his on-field success, he should have had at least one head coaching opportunity, yet he's gone how many years without one?

I think you also do have to take the amount of success into account. Jim Grobe may be a fantastic coach, but the bottom line is he's gone to four bowls in his fourteen seasons as a head coach, including one BCS bowl which he lost. That has to count for something.

Paul Johnson won back to back national titles at GSU and has gone to seven bowls in his eight seasons as a D1A head coach. To me, that's why he's on the list and Grobe isn't, and neither of them have had the type of the success to be much higher on the list(although that will change soon with regards to PJ, I am confident.)
 
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