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BrentwoodJacket

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Players don't "deserve" to be paid?!? There's many convincing enough cases against paying players, but that's a ludicrous statement.
The players voluntarily chose the school they attend. They receive a full scholarship. The walk on players go through the same work without a scholarship. The revenue comes in because of the schools and fan interest. The talent level does not matter as long as the teams are competitive with each other.
 

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Players don't "deserve" to be paid?!? There's many convincing enough cases against paying players, but that's a ludicrous statement.
I would posit that he most likely meant that the full ride scholarship and opportunity to earn a degree that a player receives is fair payment for their athletic talents.

I would stand by that statement as recently as 2003 or so, but since that time, the money in the game has skyrocketed, and the stakes for players are at least perceived to be higher due to constant media/social media coverage, and we all know that perception is reality. Coaches salaries have exploded. Practically every college game is televised. There is a whole industry feeding off of just fan interest about recruiting. A great many blue chippers (and scores of not-quite blue chippers) see their future as pro football, a game where players have a finite window where they can be productive and earn money. Schools like IMG Academy are charging insane money to prepare kids to basically audition for FBS scholarships. If a player is sitting on the bench for a few years, they aren't just "waiting their turn," they are missing out on their pro audition... their opportunity to generate buzz for themselves. That is a pretty high opportunity cost to stomach. Enter the transfer portal, which is really the least that schools could do if they want to keep college football as a free minor league. Does anyone wonder whether a player's education suffers after transferring one or two times?

I think that the real problem is that players have to go to college before they can play professionally. Universities are financing their athletic departments with football, so they want to keep that rule intact. Unless players that are planning their careers around football are able to enter a true minor league like in baseball, then I think there is going to have to be a payment structure put into place for players. I worry that this will open Pandora's box... Will schools start to offer signing bonuses to recruits? Will star players earn more than bench warmers? Can a kid keep his scholarship but have his salary taken away?

If a football minor league appears, then I think college football will start to look like college baseball, which I see as a good thing.

This was a longer post than I expected.
 

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I would posit that he most likely meant that the full ride scholarship and opportunity to earn a degree that a player receives is fair payment for their athletic talents.

I would stand by that statement as recently as 2003 or so, but since that time, the money in the game has skyrocketed, and the stakes for players are at least perceived to be higher due to constant media/social media coverage, and we all know that perception is reality. Coaches salaries have exploded. Practically every college game is televised. There is a whole industry feeding off of just fan interest about recruiting. A great many blue chippers (and scores of not-quite blue chippers) see their future as pro football, a game where players have a finite window where they can be productive and earn money. Schools like IMG Academy are charging insane money to prepare kids to basically audition for FBS scholarships. If a player is sitting on the bench for a few years, they aren't just "waiting their turn," they are missing out on their pro audition... their opportunity to generate buzz for themselves. That is a pretty high opportunity cost to stomach. Enter the transfer portal, which is really the least that schools could do if they want to keep college football as a free minor league. Does anyone wonder whether a player's education suffers after transferring one or two times?

I think that the real problem is that players have to go to college before they can play professionally. Universities are financing their athletic departments with football, so they want to keep that rule intact. Unless players that are planning their careers around football are able to enter a true minor league like in baseball, then I think there is going to have to be a payment structure put into place for players. I worry that this will open Pandora's box... Will schools start to offer signing bonuses to recruits? Will star players earn more than bench warmers? Can a kid keep his scholarship but have his salary taken away?

If a football minor league appears, then I think college football will start to look like college baseball, which I see as a good thing.

This was a longer post than I expected.
None of which I fundamentally disagree with, but he used the word "deserve" which means something entirely different.
 

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Fact is, most S/As will not transfer from where they are. If it comes to that we have a problem. So i have no problem with this going on.

But I am getting tired of the whining about S/As making all this money (and face it, we are talking football here) for the school and not getting their fair share back. Bullcrap.

Going to college is not suppose to be, in and of itself, a money making proposition. The scumbag politicians declared that all the sports programs (whether wanted by the schools or not) have to be funded at a certain level. WHERE did the money come from? Ticket sales for those sports? B.S.

Of course playing football is hard work - duh. But that doesn't mean they should make money during college to do it. That is why they got a ship.

If a kid wants to make money during their college years, pay their own way and take their time while working.

Hell, our grandsons friend said screw college and became a damn welder. He makes a boatload of money.

Colleges that have huge tons of cash are due to donations mainly.

Let football keep ALL the money it generates THEN we can talk about paying players more. But they are not entitled to make a profit beyond their education while a 19 year old S/A.

The writer is a typical, whining nutcase in that regard.
I'm with you on this, texstinger. It seems to be unpopular, but for numerous reasons I agree. There's the tuition and room and board value, for sure. Then there's the value of the nutrition program and the weight program to prepare them for potential NFL jobs. Finally there is the value of the actual degree to get a job. I don't think all of that value sits with the scholarship, though, because that depends on if the athlete was going to go to college in the first place. If yes, then that's not really incremental. There are other intangible benefits related to being on the team like the network that you develop and access to jobs in that network after school - there's definitely preference given. In addition, the school is taking a risk on these players - some of them turn into stars and some of them never really play. So there's risk in the selection and offering of spots to players.

On the other side, I'm a firm believer in brand value as well. Colleges have brands and loyalty that do not depend on a single player, that have been built on decades (or centuries) of teams and games. Attendance today is partially driven by what Joe Hamilton did in the mid-90s. I also think that in college football the CEO is the brand - they set the tone, make every decision, attract recruits and are responsible for ticket sales and championships. That's a big deal. They get compensated for a bunch of stuff that is outside the actual game of football, including repping equipment, delivering radio shows and representing the school at charity events and other alumni functions to raise funds. Lots of work there.

Anyway, that's the way I see it. Opinions differ, and that's fine too.
 

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Our players know that they don’t need to get paid in college. If your lucky to come play for The Dawgs there’s a great chance you’re going to be cashing big NFL checks soon enough.
 

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The players voluntarily chose the school they attend. They receive a full scholarship. The walk on players go through the same work without a scholarship. The revenue comes in because of the schools and fan interest. The talent level does not matter as long as the teams are competitive with each other.
So much to unpack here.

No, it’s not voluntary. In order to be prospectus of the NFL , you must attend one these colleges

Earned a full scholarship

No. Walk ons go through similar not the same

BS talent doesn’t matter. Compare 2008 UVA game to 2018 UVA game and tell me talent level doesn’t matter in the stands and in donations
 
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Our players know that they don’t need to get paid in college. If your lucky to come play for The Dawgs there’s a great chance you’re going to be cashing big NFL checks soon enough.
Mods pls move this to the "why we hate them" thread. Thank you. And it's you're, not your.
 

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So much to unpack here.

No, it’s not voluntary. In order to be prospectus of the NFL , you must attend one these colleges

Earned a full scholarship

No. Walk ons go through similar not the same

BS talent doesn’t matter. Compare 2008 UVA game to 2018 UVA game and tell me talent level doesn’t matter in the stands and in donations
How is this different than the engineering student who must attend an engineering school to get a job as an engineer. They are not paid to attend school. Most of the football recruits will never play in the NFL.

It is a privilege to be on a college athletic team. The walk ons realize this.

Talent only matters in terms of results relative to your competetitors. The 1950 through 1964 teams were not as talented as our later teams. But the results were better and that is all that matters to me as a Tech fan.
 

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How is this different than the engineering student who must attend an engineering school to get a job as an engineer. They are not paid to attend school. Most of the football recruits will never play in the NFL.

It is a privilege to be on a college athletic team. The walk ons realize this.

Talent only matters in terms of results relative to your competetitors. The 1950 through 1964 teams were not as talented as our later teams. But the results were better and that is all that matters to me as a Tech fan.
Football has changed from being Kitty Hawk in the 50's to landing on the moon now.
 

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Our players know that they don’t need to get paid in college. If your lucky to come play for The Dawgs there’s a great chance you’re going to be cashing big NFL checks soon enough.
That's a monumentally stupid statement. Ask Herschel how his broke ass family paid for that 1978 Bandit special Trans Am he drove the entire time he was at UGA.
And you guys put, on average, about 4 - 5 players per year into the league. I know y'all suck at math at the 'university' of Georgia, but even an idiot should be able to tell that is a small percentage of the team.
 

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How is this different than the engineering student who must attend an engineering school to get a job as an engineer. They are not paid to attend school. Most of the football recruits will never play in the NFL.

It is a privilege to be on a college athletic team. The walk ons realize this.

Talent only matters in terms of results relative to your competetitors. The 1950 through 1964 teams were not as talented as our later teams. But the results were better and that is all that matters to me as a Tech fan.
When was the last time an engineering student on scholarship was prohibited from holding a job while he was going to school like the student athlete is/was.
And I don't see people lining up to pay a couple of grand per year for two tickets to come watch the engineering student perform calculus in front of 50,000 people, making the school tens of millions of dollars per year.

Apples and refrigerators.
 

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Our players know that they don’t need to get paid in college. If your lucky to come play for The Dawgs there’s a great chance you’re going to be cashing big NFL checks soon enough.
Lol. What percentage of them actually make the nfl? What percentage have no useful education and a really ööööty future?

Hint, ööööty future is a lot bigger number.
 

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Lol. What percentage of them actually make the nfl? What percentage have no useful education and a really ööööty future?

Hint, ööööty future is a lot bigger number.
Didn't that full back who decommitted from GT to go to UGAg on back become a very successful NFL player?
 
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