Travis Chambers

I thought someone had already poste this here, but I guess not.

Gailey's spectacular track record with players leads me to believe that there is more to this story than what the ink implies, but it's still very unfortunate for Travis and I'm looking forward to seeing him get another chance on the gridiron this year.
 
Coming from the AJC, it's hard to believe all that was written. They took a positive story and turned it into a negative towards Tech. Even if all of it is true, the way the story is written is less about Travis overcoming his injuries, etc. and more about Chan holding back an athlete.
 
Kinda reminds me of how Tony Hollings got banished to being a backup defensive back and had to ask Gailey for a chance to try offense again. Thank God CCG said yes.
 
The only thing I really focused on there was BJM's comments. Communication problems on both sides. Good for Chambers that he has another shot to go along with his degree.
 
33jacket said:
Before you make this statement, you should talk to Greg Gathers, Joe Hamilton, Craig Page, S Threet, Byron Ingram.

I will leave it at that.
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I mean.. you can leave it at that, but saying those names doesn't mean anything. If you're going to go as far as saying the actual names you might as well elaborate on what the problem was, otherwise there's no reason to believe that Chan wasn't as great with players as it was always believed.
 
The Jacket said:
I mean.. you can leave it at that, but saying those names doesn't mean anything. If you're going to go as far as saying the actual names you might as well elaborate on what the problem was, otherwise there's no reason to believe that Chan wasn't as great with players as it was always believed.
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just as there is no reason to believe he WASN'T great. You are making an assumption based on what you want to believe, yet we have a newspaper article to the contrary and I don't want to air out personal laundry for the other instances that didn't make the paper.

You say there is no reason to believe...well the travis chambers article is one reason. Fortunately for Chan this is the only one that made the paper.

I suggest you offer evidence in the contrary. Show me evidence he was great with the players. Why don't you try talking to some past players, specifically on the O side of the ball more than the D, and see how they think he handled it. Talk to former TE, QBs like I have. I am not airing this out....but I am tired of hearing he was great with the players when there are (now) articles pointing to the contrary.

If anything, post Chan, player after player in the AJC had less than nice things to say about the past administration. Article after article talks of division, lack of leadership, questionable decisions. I know more than one player who told me Chan didn't care about anyone else on those teams but TB and RB. In fact, it was so bad according to this person that is why threet and ingram got out. Ingram had some grade issues, but could have stuck around. I don't even want to go into former SA's chan promised GA jobs to and then told them he didn't want them part of his program. There is a list.

There is a reason he was fired. He didn't lead the team, didn't win enough, the program was a mess, and many players turned....hence all the issues with team chemistry and offense vs defense.

Chan was no saint. I am leaving this argument here...choose to believe what you want.
 
33jacket said:
just as there is no reason to believe he WASN'T great. You are making an assumption based on what you want to believe, yet we have a newspaper article to the contrary and I don't want to air out personal laundry for the other instances that didn't make the paper.

You say there is no reason to believe...well the travis chambers article is one reason. Fortunately for Chan this is the only one that made the paper.

I suggest you offer evidence in the contrary. Show me evidence he was great with the players. Why don't you try talking to some past players, specifically on the O side of the ball more than the D, and see how they think he handled it. Talk to former TE, QBs like I have. I am not airing this out....but I am tired of hearing he was great with the players when there are (now) articles pointing to the contrary.

If anything, post Chan, player after player in the AJC had less than nice things to say about the past administration. Article after article talks of division, lack of leadership, questionable decisions. I know more than one player who told me Chan didn't care about anyone else on those teams but TB and RB. In fact, it was so bad according to this person that is why threet and ingram got out. Ingram had some grade issues, but could have stuck around. I don't even want to go into former SA's chan promised GA jobs to and then told them he didn't want them part of his program. There is a list.

There is a reason he was fired. He didn't lead the team, didn't win enough, the program was a mess, and many players turned....hence all the issues with team chemistry and offense vs defense.

Chan was no saint. I am leaving this argument here...choose to believe what you want.
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You're not going to drag this the way you clearly want - I'm done with the whole "WELL U LIKED CHAN" nonsense. We had plenty of the players say that they loved Chan throughout his tenure and that he was a great guy. We now have one article that gives exactly one side of a story that's sketchy at best. In your mind, this opens the floodgates to a multitude of stories of people that hated or were wronged by Chan.

As I said, if you've got something to say then say it. Otherwise your "Well I know things. You think what you want, but I know stuff and I'll leave it at that." approach isn't going to impress anyone or prove anything - so give it a rest.
 
The Jacket said:
You're not going to drag this the way you clearly want - I'm done with the whole "WELL U LIKED CHAN" nonsense. We had plenty of the players say that they loved Chan throughout his tenure and that he was a great guy. We now have one article that gives exactly one side of a story that's sketchy at best. In your mind, this opens the floodgates to a multitude of stories of people that hated or were wronged by Chan.

As I said, if you've got something to say then say it. Otherwise your "Well I know things. You think what you want, but I know stuff and I'll leave it at that." approach isn't going to impress anyone or prove anything - so give it a rest.
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Plenty of players huh? List them.

I know many who didn't. And I know many who think he was worthless.

I listed some of it...the rest is not good to be in public...suggest you re-read some AJC articles too. Ever run into Joe Ham ask him about his experience with Chan. Instead of regurgitate what you think you know from the Hive and past posts....actually go out and talk to players.

All the players I have interviewed, don't think there aren't conversations afterward about stories. I am going to go out on a limb and say...its not one story. Its one that made the paper. The player quotes about the past admin are indictments too.

Choose to believe what you want to...like i said he was FIRED and it was a good thing for tech and its players.
 
33jacket said:
Plenty of players huh? List them.

I know many who didn't. And I know many who think he was worthless.

I listed some of it...the rest is not good to be in public...suggest you re-read some AJC articles too. Ever run into Joe Ham ask him about his experience with Chan. Instead of regurgitate what you think you know from the Hive and past posts....actually go out and talk to players.

All the players I have interviewed, don't think there aren't conversations afterward about stories. I am going to go out on a limb and say...its not one story. Its one that made the paper. The player quotes about the past admin are indictments too.

Choose to believe what you want to...like i said he was FIRED and it was a good thing for tech and its players.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eh_C30SyIw
 
33jacket said:
Plenty of players huh? List them.

I know many who didn't. And I know many who think he was worthless.

I listed some of it...the rest is not good to be in public...suggest you re-read some AJC articles too. Ever run into Joe Ham ask him about his experience with Chan. Instead of regurgitate what you think you know from the Hive and past posts....actually go out and talk to players.

All the players I have interviewed, don't think there aren't conversations afterward about stories. I am going to go out on a limb and say...its not one story. Its one that made the paper. The player quotes about the past admin are indictments too.

Choose to believe what you want to...like i said he was FIRED and it was a good thing for tech and its players.
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No, I'm not going to go back and look up every instance of a player saying it. It was always the vibe given off by players and now that a one-sided story has come out that suggests a problem between a player and Chan, you've popped in to flash a few names and say that their stories are just too horrid to post on a public forum.

The perception of Chan was always that the players loved him as a guy. If you've got something that shows otherwise, I'm all ears to hear it. But until you have any sort of proof, you're not saying anything.
 
I really can't recall that many players who said they loved Chan. The only ones I remember saying that..... were current players not past ones. There is more evidence that supports the dislike then the like. This is not the first article showing evidence of a division on the team.
 
WsPJaCkEt said:
I really can't recall that many players who said they loved Chan. The only ones I remember saying that..... were current players not past ones. There is more evidence that supports the dislike then the like. This is not the first article showing evidence of a division on the team.
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All this is is a difference in opinion and the two of you are pushing it as the glaring reality. You're claiming that the division in the team is evidence of Chan's supposed poor treatment of players, when instead it's actually proof that Chan had a bad concept of how to coach the offense/defense and it wound up being two teams in one uniform as opposed to one team with an offense and a defense.

Again, you can keep saying whatever you want, but you're not showing anybody anything to substantiate it and contradict the general consensus/perception which was, for as long as I can remember, that Chan was generally loved by the players.
 
"We still love Coach Gailey as our head coach," Johnson said. "He's a great man. He's brought us this far. People aren't going to like you. That's what life teaches you. That's what this game teaches you. When things are bad, they start to turn the shoulder. You learn to deal with it and trust the guys in the locker room with you and in the meeting room with you."

http://savannahnow.com/node/388787
 
The Jacket said:
All this is is a difference in opinion and the two of you are pushing it as the glaring reality. You're claiming that the division in the team is evidence of Chan's supposed poor treatment of players, when instead it's actually proof that Chan had a bad concept of how to coach the offense/defense and it wound up being two teams in one uniform as opposed to one team with an offense and a defense.

Again, you can keep saying whatever you want, but you're not showing anybody anything to substantiate it and contradict the general consensus/perception which was, for as long as I can remember, that Chan was generally loved by the players.
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Once again The Jacket jumps on me for not having the same opinion as him. I have no idea what your problem is, but you say there is all this love then you bring proof to the table that shows all this love. Don;t bring current player articles up from the past since nobody is going to say they don't like there current head coach.

My first proof of evidence was Joe Hamilton's lunch bunch speech. He stated that he felt that the division in the team and coaching staff was a reason we did not win those games that we should have.

Second thing is this the players were asked about what they like about PJ. I remember one player specifically saying "He is a real coach". Sorry can't find that article anymore but I am sure many remember that one.
 
WsPJaCkEt said:
Second thing is this the players were asked about what they like about PJ. I remember one player specifically saying "He is a real coach". Sorry can't find that article anymore but I am sure many remember that one.
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"Don;t[sic] bring current player articles up from the past since nobody is going to say they don't like there[sic] current head coach."
 
WsPJaCkEt said:
Once again The Jacket jumps on me for not having the same opinion as him.
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Get a grip, Francis. It's called a discussion. That's what we're having. If it upsets you that much, I recommend finding another forum.

I have no idea what your problem is, but you say there is all this love then you bring proof to the table that shows all this love. Don;t bring current player articles up from the past since nobody is going to say they don't like there current head coach
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:laugher: So someone who doesn't like their coach would go out of their way to take up for him and make it clear that he and the team love the coach?

My first proof of evidence was Joe Hamilton's lunch bunch speech. He stated that he felt that the division in the team and coaching staff was a reason we did not win those games that we should have.
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Already went over this. It's a reference to the fact that the offense and defense operated as two separate entities rather than halves of a team because Chan and Tenuta had a poor system - not that players were divided against each other and the staff.

Second thing is this the players were asked about what they like about PJ. I remember one player specifically saying "He is a real coach". Sorry can't find that article anymore but I am sure many remember that one.
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And you think that's a shot at Chan Gailey as a man?
 
The Jacket said:
Get a grip, Francis. It's called a discussion. That's what we're having. If it upsets you that much, I recommend finding another forum.

:laugher: So someone who doesn't like their coach would go out of their way to take up for him and make it clear that he and the team love the coach?

Already went over this. It's a reference to the fact that the offense and defense operated as two separate entities rather than halves of a team because Chan and Tenuta had a poor system - not that players were divided against each other and the staff.

And you think that's a shot at Chan Gailey as a man?
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No as a Coach and what he did as a Coach reflects back on what type of MAN he is.. You can try to separate the two if you want so you have a leg to stand on but the fact still remains is that past players did not like the Coach Chan Gailey. I am sure some of those did not like the man either. but most don't like the coach.
 
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